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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 14:39:15
September 27 2018 14:39 GMT
#14861
I can't stand Grassley, the same dude that voted NO on having MLK day.
Life?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 14:39 GMT
#14862
On September 27 2018 23:21 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 22:30 Plansix wrote:
On September 27 2018 22:25 GoTuNk! wrote:
On September 27 2018 22:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 27 2018 22:08 GoTuNk! wrote:
The plot thickens. Two men lol.

Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/26/brett-kavanaugh-two-men-say-they-had-disputed-sexual-encounter-christine-ford/1439569002/

Took them long enough to find someone/some persons to take the fall and throw the doubt of Ford into the wind.


But I tought all vicitims should be believed! What do they have to gain?

Why ask for evidence when we have their testimonies.

They are not the victim of a crime. They claim to have committed one and are turning themselves in(?), but the public doesn’t get to know their names. The victims in this case that are being taken seriously used their full names and released them to the public. We should hold these two potential criminals to the same standard.


It's very interesting that they're straight up claiming they attempted rape. Makes me wonder if this is being misreported.

I mean, they could have simply claimed that they were indeed involved with Ford that night but that her recollection was faulty and that it wasn't attempted rape. Wouldn't this have the same effect?

That entire thing is very strange and I really can’t wrap my head around it with the information we have. But if they are full of shit, their stories should fall apart pretty quickly.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 14:44 GMT
#14863
Her saying that drunken Judge switched between egging Kavanaugh on and telling him to stop is a super specific detail. I find it hard to believe somebody would add such a detail if they made the story up. This adds credibility to her story imo.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12003 Posts
September 27 2018 14:47 GMT
#14864
On September 27 2018 22:55 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 21:56 Plansix wrote:
On September 27 2018 21:50 Silvanel wrote:
I agree that Mayonnaise is gross, but it still feels like pretty strange epithet.

Its bland, slimy, boring people with the complexity of un-spiced egg salad that goes bad after 2 hours in the sun. Mayonnaise on its own is gross. I could call him a potato too, since those are pretty dull on their own.

See potato might be tricky, depending on if he has any Irish heritage.


Funnily enough, potato is sometimes used as an insult by germans with migrationary backgrounds (usually children of turkish parents, but children of some eastern europeans too) towards germans without any migratory background. I distinctly remember that happening from time to time during my high school days.

In that setup, it is, while not technically racist, definitively going into that direction.

Also, you are a fool and potatoes are tasty.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 27 2018 14:48 GMT
#14865
On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.


Principled conservative, so you must revere the Constitution. The Constitution says that the president and the senate are equally involved in judicial nominations. So in 2016 we had a presidential election, and since the president is involved in nominating judges, we needed to wait until after the election to choose a new Supreme Court judge. Now, in 2018 we have an election that will determine which party controls the Senate. So why does it not follow that we should wait until after the election to choose the judge?
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 14:56:30
September 27 2018 14:54 GMT
#14866
On September 27 2018 23:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Her saying that drunken Judge switched between egging Kavanaugh on and telling him to stop is a super specific detail. I find it hard to believe somebody would add such a detail if they made the story up. This adds credibility to her story imo.


Not really, it's a super common detail that happens in these sorts of scenarios. If she WAS a fantasist it's the exact sort of detail to add to make it sound more real.

In other words, doesn't mean much in either direction in terms of determining truth.

EDIT: Also, I think the 'sentient jar of mayonnaise = racism' track is the single stupidest thing I've read on the internet this year. Awards are in order.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 14:55 GMT
#14867
On September 27 2018 23:54 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 23:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Her saying that drunken Judge switched between egging Kavanaugh on and telling him to stop is a super specific detail. I find it hard to believe somebody would add such a detail if they made the story up. This adds credibility to her story imo.


Not really, it's a super common detail that happens in these sorts of scenarios. If she WAS a fantasist it's the exact sort of detail to add to make it sound more real.

In other words, doesn't mean much in either direction in terms of determining truth.


Lol ok dude.

Here goes the cross examination.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12003 Posts
September 27 2018 14:56 GMT
#14868
On September 27 2018 23:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.


Principled conservative, so you must revere the Constitution. The Constitution says that the president and the senate are equally involved in judicial nominations. So in 2016 we had a presidential election, and since the president is involved in nominating judges, we needed to wait until after the election to choose a new Supreme Court judge. Now, in 2018 we have an election that will determine which party controls the Senate. So why does it not follow that we should wait until after the election to choose the judge?


Sorry, i should have put a /s at the end of that post. As to your question, i don't have the slightest idea how those two things work together into a consistent logical framework. Other than "Winning is more important than anything else" of course.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2018 15:00 GMT
#14869
How did the GOP leadership think this was a good idea. Cross examination of a sexual assualt victim on national television.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 15:09:30
September 27 2018 15:07 GMT
#14870
On September 28 2018 00:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How did the GOP leadership think this was a good idea. Cross examination of a sexual assualt victim on national television.


I think they were hoping she wouldn't show up, honestly. In some ways this has been the GOP taking least worst choice after least worst choice and ending up somewhere probably worse than initial least worst choice.
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 15:12:23
September 27 2018 15:11 GMT
#14871
On September 28 2018 00:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How did the GOP leadership think this was a good idea. Cross examination of a sexual assualt victim on national television.


There is a good chance that they knew that there was no way they could come out politically ahead with the #metoo movement in full swing, and with the democrats bringing up this last minute (even though they knew about it since july?)

Isn't it all politics? Democrats have the upper hand, and during the vote tomorrow you will either see Republican's siding with the victim for some last minute votes in their states (because the popular opinion will be with the victim or claimed victim), or a republican can claim it's all a democratic hoax to get more votes in their conservative heavy state.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 15:11 GMT
#14872
On September 28 2018 00:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2018 00:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
How did the GOP leadership think this was a good idea. Cross examination of a sexual assualt victim on national television.


I think they were hoping she wouldn't show up, honestly.

That seemed to be the plan. Ford made it seem like the prosecutor was a deal breaker, so they appeared to double down that they would use one. But then Ford appeared anyways and now the optics are total shit for them. This is a complete circus/kangaroo court.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 27 2018 15:13 GMT
#14873
The fact she is a psychologist is an interesting twist on all this. She knows more about how the mind works with these types of events than anyone else in the room and its showing a little already.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2018 15:26 GMT
#14874
If I were the Senators in the background I'd be hoping my local newspapers don't have me on the frontage with a photo of staying stoic as a female "assistant" cross examines a sexual assault victim.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
September 27 2018 15:28 GMT
#14875
Take a shot every time a democrat demands a FBI investigation.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2018 15:29 GMT
#14876
At this point you think the GOP would go ahead and let one happen as the political fallout is equivalent of driving off a cliff.

Also we really need to voter younger people into office. FFS Grassley is 85.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 27 2018 15:29 GMT
#14877
Yeah, having the woman lawyer act as a mouthpiece is just some really weird optics. It's worse than the Republican senators question her directly.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-27 15:31:03
September 27 2018 15:30 GMT
#14878
On September 28 2018 00:28 youngjiddle wrote:
Take a shot every time a democrat demands a FBI investigation.


You'd die.

I'm not sure the female prosecutor thing is working. She cant get any momentum with the constant interruptions. Having said that, it is probably still better than having the Senators question her. The optics on that would be horrible.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2018 15:32 GMT
#14879
On September 28 2018 00:28 youngjiddle wrote:
Take a shot every time a democrat demands a FBI investigation.

I’m not prepared for that hang over. And a FBI investigation would likely be the result if any of the senators were accused of the same thing, so their request isn’t that crazy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
September 27 2018 15:36 GMT
#14880
Because the GOP decided against having a thorough FBI investigation, they have turned their one good shot that discrediting Ford into a fact finding session. They were obviously hoping she would bail or be unable speak. They had no plan if she was able to finish sentences.
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