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On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations.
Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk.
If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats.
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On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats.
If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page.
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On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right.
I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office.
Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point.
On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on.
Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them.
Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful.
The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination.
On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page.
Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here.
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On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here.
I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question.
Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively.
Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false.
Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same.
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On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same.
Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances.
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On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances.
I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon.
Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken.
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On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken.
The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true.
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On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true.
Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else.
Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously.
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On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:On September 27 2018 05:05 On_Slaught wrote:
FYI Grassley said the hearing is still on tomorrow. Also, the vote for Friday has yet to be canceled. So I guess we'll get these old fucks on record being terrible, which is something. ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:And another one. Apparently this incident occurred in 1998 so a bit more recent than the others. Republicans have already questioned Kavanaugh about this and he's denied the accusations. https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1045080880581136385 Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle. Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted.
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On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:
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No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up.
I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:On September 27 2018 05:12 Introvert wrote:
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ok this is easy enough. They gave notice of a vote. Rules require 3 days notice, that's why Grassley did that. If Ford doesn't appear they go on. They did not officially call the vote, as I understand it. Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out. Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 08:08 On_Slaught wrote:
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Witnesses to boot. I'll wait to see what the accuser says publicly. If nothing then it will just be lost in this busy news cycle.
Its worth mentioning that this new one continues to corroborate the belief that Kavanaugh is a really violent, aggressive, and mean drunk. If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted.
Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously.
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On September 27 2018 09:54 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:
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It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 27 2018 05:22 On_Slaught wrote:
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Lol ok let's just ignore the other two women then. Not like they could possibly justify announcing that the vote wont be able to happen in light of the other women's accusations. Maybe they are afraid more women will come out.
Apparently Kavanaugh denied Swetnicks accusations under oath himself. So now we have 2 employees of the federal government accusing each other of crimes (one for sexual misconduct and the other for lying under oath) under threat of perjury. Sounds to me like good cause to slow things down. So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:On September 27 2018 08:27 Plansix wrote:
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If this is some sort of conspiracy, it is being executed with with military precision and timing. Which means there is no way it was the democrats. If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted. Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously.
Al Franken didn’t deny that the touching took place, only the context and that it was without consent. But he still resigned. And someone being willing to testify under oath is evidence. And things can be investigated to determine the veracity of any given claim. That isn’t what is happening here. Republican leadership wants to confirm this guy and not withdraw support, even with the claims. The problem is they don’t have the votes and they are pretty sure an investigation will turn up that Kavanaugh was a shitty, grabby drunk who treated women like trash in college and maybe that he is guilty of these claims too.
Kavanaugh was a shitty nominee and they just refuse admit it.
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On September 27 2018 10:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 09:54 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:
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My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it.
They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians.
The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right.
I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office. Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point. On September 27 2018 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
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So what you're saying is we need a complete and utter shutdown till we can figure out what the hell is going on. Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them. Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful. The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination. On September 27 2018 08:30 Mohdoo wrote:
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If we shit the bed with all 3 branches, I'm surprised we even have a functional facebook page. Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted. Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously. Al Franken didn’t deny that the touching took place, only the context and that it was without consent. But he still resigned. And someone being willing to testify under oath is evidence. And things can be investigated to determine the veracity of any given claim. That isn’t what is happening here. Republican leadership wants to confirm this guy and not withdraw support, even with the claims. The problem is they don’t have the votes and they are pretty sure an investigation will turn up that Kavanaugh was a shitty, grabby drunk who treated women like trash in college and maybe that he is guilty of these claims too. Kavanaugh was a shitty nominee and they just refuse admit it.
Mrs. Ford has delayed the hearing and Kavanaugh said he was willing to testify under oath or am I missing something?
If they switch him, can they vote a new nominee before midterms?
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On September 27 2018 10:34 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 10:02 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:54 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 08:32 iamthedave wrote:
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I'm still vaguely stunned that the Republicans are pushing so hard for this to keep going. No-one with this much shit surrounding him would still maintain party support in the UK. By the time of the third accuser everything would be put on hold pending an investigation, or they'd just pivot to someone else entirely, because it looks fucking dreadful to be the party trying to appoint a potential sex offender to a position of high office.
Or at least it does to me and my fellow earthlings. Obviously Republicans consider this a bonus on a resume at this point.
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Or - and stay with me here! - the Republicans could... nominate... someone... who doesn't... have... a sexual abuse accusation against them.
Why is this such an unthinkably awful suggestion? I literally do not understand why Brett Kavanaugh MUST BE THE GUY. What's he going to do that's so important? The only reason I can see at this point is because of WE MUST WIN mentality, which is fucking stupid because, as I've already said, the optics are awful.
The Republicans can get a friendly nominee and good optics for essentially nothing, and avoid a giant headache and the possibility that these allegations end up sticking AFTER the nomination.
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Wait a moment, wait a moment. Have you checked to make sure the Democrats are actually running that Facebook page? That might explain the discrepancy here. I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question. Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively. Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false. Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same. Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted. Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously. Al Franken didn’t deny that the touching took place, only the context and that it was without consent. But he still resigned. And someone being willing to testify under oath is evidence. And things can be investigated to determine the veracity of any given claim. That isn’t what is happening here. Republican leadership wants to confirm this guy and not withdraw support, even with the claims. The problem is they don’t have the votes and they are pretty sure an investigation will turn up that Kavanaugh was a shitty, grabby drunk who treated women like trash in college and maybe that he is guilty of these claims too. Kavanaugh was a shitty nominee and they just refuse admit it. Mrs. Ford has delayed the hearing and Kavanaugh said he was willing to testify under oath or am I missing something? If they switch him, can they vote a new nominee before midterms?
The hearing is supposed to take place tomorrow. And no, they can’t vote on someone by the mid terms. But there is no urgency to fill that seat anyways.
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On September 27 2018 10:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 10:34 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 10:02 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:54 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:23 GoTuNk! wrote:
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I am too tired to defend Kavanaugh so we can ommit that point and answer your question.
Republicans can't just flop with unsupported acussations because it would set an standard that would haunt them forever. Acussations 1 and 2 seem incredibly staged and vague, respectively.
Now that there is an acussation from a third person that moved to basically pre meditated gang rape, over many many parties, I suppose a bunch of woman and/or evidence should be appearing briefly if they were true. And none if they are false.
Also, while you may think that this is affecting them, this is not true according to the latest polls; Republican popularity has risen nearly 10 points since last year; Democrat is pretty much the same.
Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted. Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously. Al Franken didn’t deny that the touching took place, only the context and that it was without consent. But he still resigned. And someone being willing to testify under oath is evidence. And things can be investigated to determine the veracity of any given claim. That isn’t what is happening here. Republican leadership wants to confirm this guy and not withdraw support, even with the claims. The problem is they don’t have the votes and they are pretty sure an investigation will turn up that Kavanaugh was a shitty, grabby drunk who treated women like trash in college and maybe that he is guilty of these claims too. Kavanaugh was a shitty nominee and they just refuse admit it. Mrs. Ford has delayed the hearing and Kavanaugh said he was willing to testify under oath or am I missing something? If they switch him, can they vote a new nominee before midterms? The hearing is supposed to take place tomorrow. And no, they can’t vote on someone by the mid terms. But there is no urgency to fill that seat anyways.
I meant Mrs. Ford stalled for like a week? Not to mention Senator Feinstein 6 week stalling.
We will know more tomorrow, as you say.
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How dare she stall for a week after being forced from her home. She should be willing to testify immediately.
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On September 27 2018 10:41 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 10:38 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 10:34 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 10:02 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:54 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:49 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:45 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:36 Plansix wrote:On September 27 2018 09:30 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 27 2018 09:26 Plansix wrote:
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Al Franken exists and the democrats forced him to resign based on similar, if not as terrible(no attempted rape) claims. McConnell backed those claims when they were against Franken. I see no problem with them pulling their support in these circumstances. I think you are missing the point. Republicans can't be folding whenever someone makes up an acussation with 0 evidence, as Mrs. Ford and the other lady. We now have a 3rd lady, whose acussations are much worse, but also seem a lot easier to prove so if true, evidence should show up pretty damn soon. Honestly I'm not familiar with Al Franken. The same thing happened to him. Several women claimed he touched them in appropriately before he was a senator. He denied doing anything inappropriate, but the democrats in the senate pushed him to resign and he did. None of the accusations were of rape or attempted rape, but he still resigned. The Republicans can do the same, they just don’t want to because well, they either don’t care or don’t believe the women. And a poll today of registered Republicans showed 55% wanted Kavanaugh confirmed even if the charges were true. Yeah that is somewhat my point. I don't have any reason to believe Ms. Ford or the second lady. That might change on thursday with new evidence, or with the new acusser who is just too recent to know anything else. Republicans just feel much more strongly on the "innocent until proven guilty", aside from the partisan lines obviously. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t really apply outside of the criminal justice system. And it most definitely doesn’t apply in a senate confirmation. They aren’t voting to send him to prison, just to see if he gets promoted. Outside the criminal justice "inocent until proven guilt" applies to the extent people want to apply it. As I said it's just an interpretation thing; democrats feel more strongly about believing someone in a "victim" position despite no evidence, while republicans feel more strongly about someone being innocent until proven guilty. Aside from party lines obviously. Al Franken didn’t deny that the touching took place, only the context and that it was without consent. But he still resigned. And someone being willing to testify under oath is evidence. And things can be investigated to determine the veracity of any given claim. That isn’t what is happening here. Republican leadership wants to confirm this guy and not withdraw support, even with the claims. The problem is they don’t have the votes and they are pretty sure an investigation will turn up that Kavanaugh was a shitty, grabby drunk who treated women like trash in college and maybe that he is guilty of these claims too. Kavanaugh was a shitty nominee and they just refuse admit it. Mrs. Ford has delayed the hearing and Kavanaugh said he was willing to testify under oath or am I missing something? If they switch him, can they vote a new nominee before midterms? The hearing is supposed to take place tomorrow. And no, they can’t vote on someone by the mid terms. But there is no urgency to fill that seat anyways. I meant Mrs. Ford stalled for like a week? Not to mention Senator Feinstein 6 week stalling. We will know more tomorrow, as you say.
She was invited to testify by the senate because Susan Collins and Jeff Flake wanted to hear from her before either would vote, either in committee or a floor vote. Her attorney spent a week negotiating the terms of that testimony. She didn’t want to testify.
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Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.
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On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative.
Yes Republicans should use their super majority to push their nominee; democrats have done all they can to stall on the opposite side; remember how the made jackasses of themselves, "I'm Spartacus", the protestors, etc etc before the acusations that Feinstein conveniently omitted for 6 weeks during which tens of oral and written interviews with Kavanaugh were conducted. This is partisan game by both parties.
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On September 27 2018 10:56 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 10:52 Simberto wrote:
Also, it is incredibly important to confirm him before the elections. As opposed to in 2016, when it was incredibly important to not even think about a supreme court justice until after the elections. It is very important to have clear principles in those matters as a conservative. Yes Republicans should use their super majority to push their nominee; democrats have done all they can to stall on the opposite side; remember how the made jackasses of themselves, "I'm Spartacus", the protestors, etc etc before the acusations that Feinstein conveniently omitted for 6 weeks during which tens of oral and written interviews with Kavanaugh were conducted. This is partisan game by both parties.
They don’t have a super majority. They have a thin majority by one vote. And Trump nominated a sentient jar of mayonnaise that happens to be a mean drunk.
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