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On September 14 2018 04:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 03:55 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On September 14 2018 03:34 JimmiC wrote:On September 14 2018 03:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On September 14 2018 03:22 farvacola wrote:
The rumor mill is buzzing with regards to a letter received by Feinstein recently. While no one is sure about many of the details, the reporting on it from the New Republic and the Intercept suggests the letter pertains to a possible sexual assault committed by Kavanaugh during his youth. The woman involved has also picked up lawyer Debra Katz, a noted #MeToo victim attorney, and Feinstein referred the matter to the FBI. Since when do affairs have the FBI involved. Because it is likely not an affair so much as a sexual assault, at least that is what the victim is claiming, innocence until proven guilty of course (not that the media follows that rule but you know what I mean). But the FBI? I'd imagine local jurisdiction would come into play to put the local police wherever it happened. The FBI/Justice Department is the agency a Senator would hand that information over to and they would refer it to any law enforcement agency that had jurisdiction if there was cause for an investigation. A US Senator isn’t going to go directly to the local police/DA with the evidence. But if this is about a woman/affair I'd imagine years have passed and no charges can be filed. Unless it is some type of Money laundering type deal which makes no sense with baseball tickets etc.
Even a senator might well not know what the statute of limitations was at the time whatever this was occurred. Or what other potential chargeable crimes would be involved (especially perjury given all the testimony's hes' given over the years).
Also, why're we bothering to speculate so much anyways? why don't we just wait to hear back on actual findings/what was actually referred to the fbi?
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On September 14 2018 05:17 farvacola wrote:
Apparently Kavanaugh may have lied to the FBI when disclosing his prior history of legal trouble while being interviewed for his federal jobs.
Now that is much more juicy than some possible sexual assault many conservatives wont care about or wont believe.
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On September 14 2018 05:18 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:17 farvacola wrote:
Apparently Kavanaugh may have lied to the FBI when disclosing his prior history of legal trouble while being interviewed for his federal jobs. Now that is much more juicy than some possible sexual assault many conservatives wont care about or wont believe.
I would have to check, but I am 90% sure that is a criminal offense, even though it wasn't a criminal investigation.
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On September 14 2018 03:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 03:41 Sermokala wrote:
The problem I have with the potential whicher casting thing is that there already is a ton about race and racism in the story without having to change parts about the characters for no reason other then filling quotas. Just because those races are elves and dwarves (with a heaping of religious witch hunting) instead of white and black people means to television people it doesn't matter. It devalues the stories core themes in pursuit of making it more of a commentary on the real world. We don’t even know if it is real a real casting call. And as someone who likes the Witcher and fantasy in general, the whole “racism, but with elves” is a way to engage with the concepts around bigotry, but also an easy way to have your cake and eat it too. It is a safe place holder for racism based on skin color. And it also makes it seem like racism base on skin color wouldn’t exist, which is always weird.
Dunno, if there is a more obvious target (like elves), maybe the bigots target them instead. Similar stuff happened. The bigot assholes here in Germany used to be all about being assholes to people from poland and other eastern european countries, but nowadays they don't really care about them anymore, because there are more people who look more obviously different around. So i can see how in a world with dwarves and elves about, they wouldn't care about skin colour as much.
And since no one in the witcher universe derives his identity from his skin colour, i would say that the colour of the skin of actors is basically irrelevant. You could have basically the same story with every witcher having black skin (or something along those lines), and nothing of relevance changes, because no one ever talks about skin color anyways. Species, gender, religion, social status and nationality have effects in the witcher universe, and actually matter to stories of characters in that universe. So you couldn't easily change those without changing a character, because they wouldn't be the same person afterwards. If you change the colour of their skin, they can still have had the same experiences and be the same person.
It is weird that there is a group of people that are angry whenever someone who is not a white male plays any role other than being beat up in any kind of story. And i really don't get it. Are these people so fragile and unimaginative that they can't enjoy any fiction that does not center around a young-ish white dude that they can envision themselves into being?
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On September 14 2018 05:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:18 On_Slaught wrote:On September 14 2018 05:17 farvacola wrote:
Apparently Kavanaugh may have lied to the FBI when disclosing his prior history of legal trouble while being interviewed for his federal jobs. Now that is much more juicy than some possible sexual assault many conservatives wont care about or wont believe. I would have to check, but I am 90% sure that is a criminal offense, even though it wasn't a criminal investigation.
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001.
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On September 14 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001.
God, let the Republicans confirm him anyways, only to have him face criminal charges for lying to the FBI.
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On September 14 2018 05:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001. God, let the Republicans confirm him anyways, only to have him face criminal charges for lying to the FBI.
Trump just pardons him and then he stays on the bench anyway because Rs wont impeach
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On September 14 2018 05:30 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:28 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001. God, let the Republicans confirm him anyways, only to have him face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. Trump just pardons him and then he stays on the bench anyway because Rs wont impeach
Even better. Cripple that conservative court before it even gets off the ground. The only thing more powerful than fake outrage in politics is legit, totally justified outrage at a blatant abuse of power.
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On September 14 2018 05:24 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 03:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:41 Sermokala wrote:
The problem I have with the potential whicher casting thing is that there already is a ton about race and racism in the story without having to change parts about the characters for no reason other then filling quotas. Just because those races are elves and dwarves (with a heaping of religious witch hunting) instead of white and black people means to television people it doesn't matter. It devalues the stories core themes in pursuit of making it more of a commentary on the real world. We don’t even know if it is real a real casting call. And as someone who likes the Witcher and fantasy in general, the whole “racism, but with elves” is a way to engage with the concepts around bigotry, but also an easy way to have your cake and eat it too. It is a safe place holder for racism based on skin color. And it also makes it seem like racism base on skin color wouldn’t exist, which is always weird. Dunno, if there is a more obvious target (like elves), maybe the bigots target them instead. Similar stuff happened. The bigot assholes here in Germany used to be all about being assholes to people from poland and other eastern european countries, but nowadays they don't really care about them anymore, because there are more people who look more obviously different around. So i can see how in a world with dwarves and elves about, they wouldn't care about skin colour as much. And since no one in the witcher universe derives his identity from his skin colour, i would say that the colour of the skin of actors is basically irrelevant. You could have basically the same story with every witcher having black skin (or something along those lines), and nothing of relevance changes, because no one ever talks about skin color anyways. Species, gender, religion, social status and nationality have effects in the witcher universe, and actually matter to stories of characters in that universe. So you couldn't easily change those without changing a character, because they wouldn't be the same person afterwards. If you change the colour of their skin, they can still have had the same experiences and be the same person. It is weird that there is a group of people that are angry whenever someone who is not a white male plays any role other than being beat up in any kind of story. And i really don't get it. Are these people so fragile and unimaginative that they can't enjoy any fiction that does not center around a young-ish white dude that they can envision themselves into being?
I mean I have written 3 posts outlining exactly why it's not just a "simple change". You can choose to ignore them if you want I guess and continue on your tirade, but please don't speak about the "unimaginative" while you do.
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On September 14 2018 05:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:30 IyMoon wrote:On September 14 2018 05:28 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001. God, let the Republicans confirm him anyways, only to have him face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. Trump just pardons him and then he stays on the bench anyway because Rs wont impeach Even better. Cripple that conservative court before it even gets off the ground. The only thing more powerful than fake outrage in politics is legit, totally justified outrage at a blatant abuse of power.
I'm rooting for a Dem president to demand his (and probably Gorsuch's) resignations day 1 or threaten to pack the court with 5 30 year-old RBG clones.
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On September 14 2018 01:31 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:19 JimmiC wrote:
I'm very confused about the thomas stuff. I've watched way too much of that show because it was my sons favorite. I'm not sure what diversion they have. Steam engines and Diesels? There is a fire truck, crane and plane? They are all different colors but I think that just so you can tell them apart. LOL confusing. Gordon is baby boomers and Percy is a struggling millennial ?_? And Salty is from the wrong side of the tracks? They also have a grandpa train can't think of the name but they learned how even though he was old and slow he could be lots of fun and knew lots of things. THOSE MONSTERS! Edit: this is really blowing my mind, are they just going full bore with white power now? Doesn't the NRA have black members? This is so fucked up.
Only thing I ever saw about black people being part of the NRA was a video they produced which was basically "Hi, I'm the NRA's black friend."
On September 14 2018 03:24 Ryzel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:03 Ryzel wrote:
I can’t comment on why a show presumably about advocating gun rights would talk about this, or why she would think a human-like being shouldn’t contain human-like aspects of identity.
Although this does raise an interesting question, where does one draw the line to include ethnic/racial aspects of identity on anthropomorhized objects/creatures? Does any form of speech make it fair game, or do they also need to have a face? Is the question interesting? Is it really? Does it matter at all of if there is a line or not? Was there ever a line or did people create it because they wanted to get mad about something on the internet to make money? *shrug* I haven’t seen any uproars about the droids in Star Wars, or even alien races, not having diverse cultures despite being clearly human-like. Clearly there’s an aspect to Thomas and the tank engines that isn’t shared by those beings (or maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough). And to be fair, getting mad about things on the internet to make money is a prolific practice used in politics by people of all viewpoints. I’d imagine whether or not you’re annoyed by someone like that depends on whether you agree or disagree with them. FWIW, I agree that what she did is absolutely ridiculous. As in, deserves to be ridiculed.
I have definitely seen people pissed at the "SJW droid" in Solo. People didn't care back when Star Wars first came out since everybody outside of Vader's voice was white, but now they're up in arms because Poe is Latino, Rey is a woman, and Finn is black.
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On September 14 2018 05:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:33 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:30 IyMoon wrote:On September 14 2018 05:28 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:26 farvacola wrote:
It is a criminal offense as codified at 18 USC section 1001. God, let the Republicans confirm him anyways, only to have him face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. Trump just pardons him and then he stays on the bench anyway because Rs wont impeach Even better. Cripple that conservative court before it even gets off the ground. The only thing more powerful than fake outrage in politics is legit, totally justified outrage at a blatant abuse of power. I'm rooting for a Dem president to demand his (and probably Gorsuch's) resignations day 1 or threaten to pack the court with 5 30 year-old RBG clones.
In that scenario we'd rather them be Sotomayor or Brennan clones to be frank  RBG is far too moderate.
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On September 14 2018 05:45 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 01:31 JimmiC wrote:On September 14 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:19 JimmiC wrote:
I'm very confused about the thomas stuff. I've watched way too much of that show because it was my sons favorite. I'm not sure what diversion they have. Steam engines and Diesels? There is a fire truck, crane and plane? They are all different colors but I think that just so you can tell them apart. LOL confusing. Gordon is baby boomers and Percy is a struggling millennial ?_? And Salty is from the wrong side of the tracks? They also have a grandpa train can't think of the name but they learned how even though he was old and slow he could be lots of fun and knew lots of things. THOSE MONSTERS! Edit: this is really blowing my mind, are they just going full bore with white power now? Doesn't the NRA have black members? This is so fucked up. Only thing I ever saw about black people being part of the NRA was a video they produced which was basically "Hi, I'm the NRA's black friend." Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 03:24 Ryzel wrote:On September 14 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:03 Ryzel wrote:
I can’t comment on why a show presumably about advocating gun rights would talk about this, or why she would think a human-like being shouldn’t contain human-like aspects of identity.
Although this does raise an interesting question, where does one draw the line to include ethnic/racial aspects of identity on anthropomorhized objects/creatures? Does any form of speech make it fair game, or do they also need to have a face? Is the question interesting? Is it really? Does it matter at all of if there is a line or not? Was there ever a line or did people create it because they wanted to get mad about something on the internet to make money? *shrug* I haven’t seen any uproars about the droids in Star Wars, or even alien races, not having diverse cultures despite being clearly human-like. Clearly there’s an aspect to Thomas and the tank engines that isn’t shared by those beings (or maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough). And to be fair, getting mad about things on the internet to make money is a prolific practice used in politics by people of all viewpoints. I’d imagine whether or not you’re annoyed by someone like that depends on whether you agree or disagree with them. FWIW, I agree that what she did is absolutely ridiculous. As in, deserves to be ridiculed. I have definitely seen people pissed at the "SJW droid" in Solo. People didn't care back when Star Wars first came out since everybody outside of Vader's voice was white, but now they're up in arms because Poe is Latino, Rey is a woman, and Finn is black.
Star Wars is weird because the first thing Leia does with her freedom is call both the heroes bad at their jobs, saves herself from their botched rescue plan, while shitting on them the entire time. But everyone gets bent of our shape when a purple hair lady is mean to Poe one time.
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On September 14 2018 05:34 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:24 Simberto wrote:On September 14 2018 03:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:41 Sermokala wrote:
The problem I have with the potential whicher casting thing is that there already is a ton about race and racism in the story without having to change parts about the characters for no reason other then filling quotas. Just because those races are elves and dwarves (with a heaping of religious witch hunting) instead of white and black people means to television people it doesn't matter. It devalues the stories core themes in pursuit of making it more of a commentary on the real world. We don’t even know if it is real a real casting call. And as someone who likes the Witcher and fantasy in general, the whole “racism, but with elves” is a way to engage with the concepts around bigotry, but also an easy way to have your cake and eat it too. It is a safe place holder for racism based on skin color. And it also makes it seem like racism base on skin color wouldn’t exist, which is always weird. Dunno, if there is a more obvious target (like elves), maybe the bigots target them instead. Similar stuff happened. The bigot assholes here in Germany used to be all about being assholes to people from poland and other eastern european countries, but nowadays they don't really care about them anymore, because there are more people who look more obviously different around. So i can see how in a world with dwarves and elves about, they wouldn't care about skin colour as much. And since no one in the witcher universe derives his identity from his skin colour, i would say that the colour of the skin of actors is basically irrelevant. You could have basically the same story with every witcher having black skin (or something along those lines), and nothing of relevance changes, because no one ever talks about skin color anyways. Species, gender, religion, social status and nationality have effects in the witcher universe, and actually matter to stories of characters in that universe. So you couldn't easily change those without changing a character, because they wouldn't be the same person afterwards. If you change the colour of their skin, they can still have had the same experiences and be the same person. It is weird that there is a group of people that are angry whenever someone who is not a white male plays any role other than being beat up in any kind of story. And i really don't get it. Are these people so fragile and unimaginative that they can't enjoy any fiction that does not center around a young-ish white dude that they can envision themselves into being? I mean I have written 3 posts outlining exactly why it's not just a "simple change". You can choose to ignore them if you want I guess and continue on your tirade, but please don't speak about the "unimaginative" while you do.
If i recall those posts correctly, the main arguments were "Because it is kinda like poland, and people in poland have light skin" and "elven stuff, and elves always have light skin". If there is another argument i missed, please tell me.
My argument is the following: Light skin is not integral to polishness, and especially not to the stories in the witcher. If everyone in that story had dark skin, nothing would change. Because they are not defined by their skin colour. I do not recall a single instance where anyones skin colour actually influenced their story in the witcher (but of course i might be mistaken here). As such, changing the colour of a bunch of peoples skin (changing just one person would indeed be weird, with that person then being the sole person with dark skin in the whole word) does not actually change any relevant characteristics of theirs.
Let me give you an example of a situation where things would not be as easy. If you are talking about a member of the KKK, you could not easily change their skin colour without utterly changing the character. Because for that character, the colour of their skin is a defining attribute. A black KKK member is a completely and utterly different character than a white KKK member. For characters in the witcher, this is not the case. Because there are no major skin-colour based conflicts in that world. (I don't think there are even minor ones?)
None of the people in the witcher seem to care about skin colour one bit. And thus, their skin colour doesn't matter to the story, as long as they continue to not care about it. If half the people in Fantasy Poland had dark skin, and no one cared about that, that wouldn't change the story. If people started to suddenly care about skin colour, that would change things.
As for elvishness, the same is true. There are no dark elves in the witcher world to contrast any light-skinned elves. And thus, elves could just as well all have brown skin without changing the storylines and characters one bit.
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On September 14 2018 05:34 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:24 Simberto wrote:On September 14 2018 03:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:41 Sermokala wrote:
The problem I have with the potential whicher casting thing is that there already is a ton about race and racism in the story without having to change parts about the characters for no reason other then filling quotas. Just because those races are elves and dwarves (with a heaping of religious witch hunting) instead of white and black people means to television people it doesn't matter. It devalues the stories core themes in pursuit of making it more of a commentary on the real world. We don’t even know if it is real a real casting call. And as someone who likes the Witcher and fantasy in general, the whole “racism, but with elves” is a way to engage with the concepts around bigotry, but also an easy way to have your cake and eat it too. It is a safe place holder for racism based on skin color. And it also makes it seem like racism base on skin color wouldn’t exist, which is always weird. Dunno, if there is a more obvious target (like elves), maybe the bigots target them instead. Similar stuff happened. The bigot assholes here in Germany used to be all about being assholes to people from poland and other eastern european countries, but nowadays they don't really care about them anymore, because there are more people who look more obviously different around. So i can see how in a world with dwarves and elves about, they wouldn't care about skin colour as much. And since no one in the witcher universe derives his identity from his skin colour, i would say that the colour of the skin of actors is basically irrelevant. You could have basically the same story with every witcher having black skin (or something along those lines), and nothing of relevance changes, because no one ever talks about skin color anyways. Species, gender, religion, social status and nationality have effects in the witcher universe, and actually matter to stories of characters in that universe. So you couldn't easily change those without changing a character, because they wouldn't be the same person afterwards. If you change the colour of their skin, they can still have had the same experiences and be the same person. It is weird that there is a group of people that are angry whenever someone who is not a white male plays any role other than being beat up in any kind of story. And i really don't get it. Are these people so fragile and unimaginative that they can't enjoy any fiction that does not center around a young-ish white dude that they can envision themselves into being? I mean I have written 3 posts outlining exactly why it's not just a "simple change". You can choose to ignore them if you want I guess and continue on your tirade, but please don't speak about the "unimaginative" while you do.
The only thing I'm curious of is how the author on one hand and Poles (in general) on the other are reacting to this possibility. The books have a cultural significance to them, so it follows that their opininons should matter.
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I always get weirded out by fantasy series with humanoids that are all one skin color that just happens to be white. I get that its all magic and authors can make it whatever they want, but entire races that are kinda close to humans but are all Caucasian just because seems like weird choice for an author. Unless the world lacks a sun, then it sort of makes sense.
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On September 14 2018 06:02 Simberto wrote:
If i recall those posts correctly.
Let me stop you right there: You don't. By your answer you haven't read any of them.
On September 14 2018 06:04 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:34 Excludos wrote:On September 14 2018 05:24 Simberto wrote:On September 14 2018 03:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:41 Sermokala wrote:
The problem I have with the potential whicher casting thing is that there already is a ton about race and racism in the story without having to change parts about the characters for no reason other then filling quotas. Just because those races are elves and dwarves (with a heaping of religious witch hunting) instead of white and black people means to television people it doesn't matter. It devalues the stories core themes in pursuit of making it more of a commentary on the real world. We don’t even know if it is real a real casting call. And as someone who likes the Witcher and fantasy in general, the whole “racism, but with elves” is a way to engage with the concepts around bigotry, but also an easy way to have your cake and eat it too. It is a safe place holder for racism based on skin color. And it also makes it seem like racism base on skin color wouldn’t exist, which is always weird. Dunno, if there is a more obvious target (like elves), maybe the bigots target them instead. Similar stuff happened. The bigot assholes here in Germany used to be all about being assholes to people from poland and other eastern european countries, but nowadays they don't really care about them anymore, because there are more people who look more obviously different around. So i can see how in a world with dwarves and elves about, they wouldn't care about skin colour as much. And since no one in the witcher universe derives his identity from his skin colour, i would say that the colour of the skin of actors is basically irrelevant. You could have basically the same story with every witcher having black skin (or something along those lines), and nothing of relevance changes, because no one ever talks about skin color anyways. Species, gender, religion, social status and nationality have effects in the witcher universe, and actually matter to stories of characters in that universe. So you couldn't easily change those without changing a character, because they wouldn't be the same person afterwards. If you change the colour of their skin, they can still have had the same experiences and be the same person. It is weird that there is a group of people that are angry whenever someone who is not a white male plays any role other than being beat up in any kind of story. And i really don't get it. Are these people so fragile and unimaginative that they can't enjoy any fiction that does not center around a young-ish white dude that they can envision themselves into being? I mean I have written 3 posts outlining exactly why it's not just a "simple change". You can choose to ignore them if you want I guess and continue on your tirade, but please don't speak about the "unimaginative" while you do. The only thing I'm curious of is how the author on one hand and Poles (in general) on the other are reacting to this possibility. The books have a cultural significance to them, so it follows that their opininons should matter.
https://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/9e0wa6/im_polish_and_heres_why_i_think_that_changing/?utm_source=reddit-android
It appears at least one of them is not very happy. I haven't found much else
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On September 14 2018 05:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:45 Gahlo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:31 JimmiC wrote:On September 14 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:19 JimmiC wrote:
I'm very confused about the thomas stuff. I've watched way too much of that show because it was my sons favorite. I'm not sure what diversion they have. Steam engines and Diesels? There is a fire truck, crane and plane? They are all different colors but I think that just so you can tell them apart. LOL confusing. Gordon is baby boomers and Percy is a struggling millennial ?_? And Salty is from the wrong side of the tracks? They also have a grandpa train can't think of the name but they learned how even though he was old and slow he could be lots of fun and knew lots of things. THOSE MONSTERS! Edit: this is really blowing my mind, are they just going full bore with white power now? Doesn't the NRA have black members? This is so fucked up. Only thing I ever saw about black people being part of the NRA was a video they produced which was basically "Hi, I'm the NRA's black friend." On September 14 2018 03:24 Ryzel wrote:On September 14 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:03 Ryzel wrote:
I can’t comment on why a show presumably about advocating gun rights would talk about this, or why she would think a human-like being shouldn’t contain human-like aspects of identity.
Although this does raise an interesting question, where does one draw the line to include ethnic/racial aspects of identity on anthropomorhized objects/creatures? Does any form of speech make it fair game, or do they also need to have a face? Is the question interesting? Is it really? Does it matter at all of if there is a line or not? Was there ever a line or did people create it because they wanted to get mad about something on the internet to make money? *shrug* I haven’t seen any uproars about the droids in Star Wars, or even alien races, not having diverse cultures despite being clearly human-like. Clearly there’s an aspect to Thomas and the tank engines that isn’t shared by those beings (or maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough). And to be fair, getting mad about things on the internet to make money is a prolific practice used in politics by people of all viewpoints. I’d imagine whether or not you’re annoyed by someone like that depends on whether you agree or disagree with them. FWIW, I agree that what she did is absolutely ridiculous. As in, deserves to be ridiculed. I have definitely seen people pissed at the "SJW droid" in Solo. People didn't care back when Star Wars first came out since everybody outside of Vader's voice was white, but now they're up in arms because Poe is Latino, Rey is a woman, and Finn is black. Star Wars is weird because the first thing Leia does with her freedom is call both the heroes bad at their jobs, saves herself from their botched rescue plan, while shitting on them the entire time. But everyone gets bent of our shape when a purple hair lady is mean to Poe one time.
That is pretty simple. Visually, we can see Luke an Han are trapped, so Leia voices what we are just seeing ourselves and then provides a solution. In effect, she has a bit of a bark, but really good bite to back it up. That's a fun character.
Huldo is snark and no bite. And we see on the screen contradicts what she says (this is a visual medium, so that's not good at all.) that dread naught was about to blow holes in the cruiser. Everybody ought to be dead. But Poe is getting lectures from people that otherwise should be floating in deep space. That's grating and not fun, unless she is the Dooley of Agent Carter, but writers clearly don't want us to think that despite giving her all the film shorthand for incompetent commander.
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On September 14 2018 06:29 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 05:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:45 Gahlo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:31 JimmiC wrote:On September 14 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:19 JimmiC wrote:
I'm very confused about the thomas stuff. I've watched way too much of that show because it was my sons favorite. I'm not sure what diversion they have. Steam engines and Diesels? There is a fire truck, crane and plane? They are all different colors but I think that just so you can tell them apart. LOL confusing. Gordon is baby boomers and Percy is a struggling millennial ?_? And Salty is from the wrong side of the tracks? They also have a grandpa train can't think of the name but they learned how even though he was old and slow he could be lots of fun and knew lots of things. THOSE MONSTERS! Edit: this is really blowing my mind, are they just going full bore with white power now? Doesn't the NRA have black members? This is so fucked up. Only thing I ever saw about black people being part of the NRA was a video they produced which was basically "Hi, I'm the NRA's black friend." On September 14 2018 03:24 Ryzel wrote:On September 14 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:03 Ryzel wrote:
I can’t comment on why a show presumably about advocating gun rights would talk about this, or why she would think a human-like being shouldn’t contain human-like aspects of identity.
Although this does raise an interesting question, where does one draw the line to include ethnic/racial aspects of identity on anthropomorhized objects/creatures? Does any form of speech make it fair game, or do they also need to have a face? Is the question interesting? Is it really? Does it matter at all of if there is a line or not? Was there ever a line or did people create it because they wanted to get mad about something on the internet to make money? *shrug* I haven’t seen any uproars about the droids in Star Wars, or even alien races, not having diverse cultures despite being clearly human-like. Clearly there’s an aspect to Thomas and the tank engines that isn’t shared by those beings (or maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough). And to be fair, getting mad about things on the internet to make money is a prolific practice used in politics by people of all viewpoints. I’d imagine whether or not you’re annoyed by someone like that depends on whether you agree or disagree with them. FWIW, I agree that what she did is absolutely ridiculous. As in, deserves to be ridiculed. I have definitely seen people pissed at the "SJW droid" in Solo. People didn't care back when Star Wars first came out since everybody outside of Vader's voice was white, but now they're up in arms because Poe is Latino, Rey is a woman, and Finn is black. Star Wars is weird because the first thing Leia does with her freedom is call both the heroes bad at their jobs, saves herself from their botched rescue plan, while shitting on them the entire time. But everyone gets bent of our shape when a purple hair lady is mean to Poe one time. That is pretty simple. Visually, we can see Luke an Han are trapped, so Leia voices what we are just seeing ourselves and then provides a solution. In effect, she has a bit of a bark, but really good bite to back it up. That's a fun character. Huldo is snark and no bite. And we see on the screen contradicts what she says (this is a visual medium, so that's not good at all.) that dread naught was about to blow holes in the cruiser. Everybody ought to be dead. But Poe is getting lectures from people that otherwise should be floating in deep space. That's grating and not fun, unless she is the Dooley of Agent Carter, but writers clearly don't want us to think that despite giving her all the film shorthand for incompetent commander.
I sometimes wonder if people watched a different movie. The entire point of that scene is that they could have gotten away after Poe distracted the dreadnaught and Poe was ordered to retreat. The only reason it got a chance come close to firing is because they waited to support Poe's unauthorized attack. He defied orders and got people killed to destroy a piece of military hardware.
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On September 14 2018 06:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2018 06:29 Falling wrote:On September 14 2018 05:51 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 05:45 Gahlo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:31 JimmiC wrote:On September 14 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote:On September 14 2018 01:19 JimmiC wrote:
I'm very confused about the thomas stuff. I've watched way too much of that show because it was my sons favorite. I'm not sure what diversion they have. Steam engines and Diesels? There is a fire truck, crane and plane? They are all different colors but I think that just so you can tell them apart. LOL confusing. Gordon is baby boomers and Percy is a struggling millennial ?_? And Salty is from the wrong side of the tracks? They also have a grandpa train can't think of the name but they learned how even though he was old and slow he could be lots of fun and knew lots of things. THOSE MONSTERS! Edit: this is really blowing my mind, are they just going full bore with white power now? Doesn't the NRA have black members? This is so fucked up. Only thing I ever saw about black people being part of the NRA was a video they produced which was basically "Hi, I'm the NRA's black friend." On September 14 2018 03:24 Ryzel wrote:On September 14 2018 03:09 Plansix wrote:On September 14 2018 03:03 Ryzel wrote:
I can’t comment on why a show presumably about advocating gun rights would talk about this, or why she would think a human-like being shouldn’t contain human-like aspects of identity.
Although this does raise an interesting question, where does one draw the line to include ethnic/racial aspects of identity on anthropomorhized objects/creatures? Does any form of speech make it fair game, or do they also need to have a face? Is the question interesting? Is it really? Does it matter at all of if there is a line or not? Was there ever a line or did people create it because they wanted to get mad about something on the internet to make money? *shrug* I haven’t seen any uproars about the droids in Star Wars, or even alien races, not having diverse cultures despite being clearly human-like. Clearly there’s an aspect to Thomas and the tank engines that isn’t shared by those beings (or maybe I haven’t been looking hard enough). And to be fair, getting mad about things on the internet to make money is a prolific practice used in politics by people of all viewpoints. I’d imagine whether or not you’re annoyed by someone like that depends on whether you agree or disagree with them. FWIW, I agree that what she did is absolutely ridiculous. As in, deserves to be ridiculed. I have definitely seen people pissed at the "SJW droid" in Solo. People didn't care back when Star Wars first came out since everybody outside of Vader's voice was white, but now they're up in arms because Poe is Latino, Rey is a woman, and Finn is black. Star Wars is weird because the first thing Leia does with her freedom is call both the heroes bad at their jobs, saves herself from their botched rescue plan, while shitting on them the entire time. But everyone gets bent of our shape when a purple hair lady is mean to Poe one time. That is pretty simple. Visually, we can see Luke an Han are trapped, so Leia voices what we are just seeing ourselves and then provides a solution. In effect, she has a bit of a bark, but really good bite to back it up. That's a fun character. Huldo is snark and no bite. And we see on the screen contradicts what she says (this is a visual medium, so that's not good at all.) that dread naught was about to blow holes in the cruiser. Everybody ought to be dead. But Poe is getting lectures from people that otherwise should be floating in deep space. That's grating and not fun, unless she is the Dooley of Agent Carter, but writers clearly don't want us to think that despite giving her all the film shorthand for incompetent commander. I sometimes wonder if people watched a different movie. The entire point of that scene is that they could have gotten away after Poe distracted the dreadnaught and Poe was ordered to retreat. The only reason it got a chance come close to firing is because they waited to support Poe's unauthorized attack. He defied orders and got people killed to destroy a piece of military hardware. This is offtopic but I believe your talking about the beginning of the movie while Falling is talking about the middle. (aka Huldo not telling anyone they have a plan, so Poe (and the audience) thinks they are doomed and acts on his own accord to stage a mutiny. While infact Huldo had a secret plan no one knew about (including the audience) and we were just supposed to accept the apparently hopeless situation.
It's like Leia scolding Luke and Solo for their botched rescue, opening the vent and jumping down only for a stolen Tie fighter to crash through the wall to rescue them that Luke and Solo were waiting for but didn't tell Leia about.
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