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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 14 2018 06:03 GMT
#13881
On September 14 2018 10:13 Introvert wrote:
For the purpose of comedy, I sincerely hope the Guardian isn't getting trolled and this is the actual story of the supposed incident. They might be just be embarrassing themselves one last time before this is over.

I suppose for context I should add that this is a story from a well-respected news source on the last minute, highly suspicious accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh for some sort of misconduct, with #MeToo overtones.

Show nested quote +
A senior Democratic senator has alerted federal investigators to a confidential letter she received regarding Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump’s conservative nominee for the US supreme court, in an extraordinary move that suggested she had been informed of possible wrongdoing.

Dianne Feinstein, who is the top Democrat on the Senate judiciary committee, said she had received information about Kavanaugh’s nomination from an individual who had strongly requested confidentiality. The letter was likely passed on to the FBI because the bureau is responsible for background checks into judicial nominees.

News of the letter came as Judge Kavanaugh faced fresh scrutiny about his relationship with another judge, who was forced to resign from the bench last year.

“I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court,” Feinstein said in a statement.

“That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities,” she said.

A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.

A spokesman for Feinstein declined to comment. The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.

While additional details about the letter were scarce, two media outlets have reported that the person who wrote the letter is being represented by an attorney, Debra Katz, who has been described in media reports as Washington’s #MeToo lawyer.

Katz has not responded to a request for comment from the Guardian. BuzzFeed reported that she was seen on Capitol Hill on Wednesday night, shortly after the Intercept first reported the existence of the letter.


And just as the cherry on top, the last ~900 words of the article are all about Kavanaugh's relationship to now-disgraced former Judge Kozinski, which is an obvious attempt to try and make this something, while being a recognition that it's really nothing. It's pretty dirty, really, but it IS funny.

www.theguardian.com

Edit: or, as one theoy I read says, this is purposely ridiculous so that when the "real story" comes out, it enhances it. Interesting thought.

The nomination process is going quite well if Feinstein’s reduced to accusing Kavanaugh of locking someone in a room when he was a teenager. I guess the line is that he made a girl feel threatened when he was young, and now he’s making all women feel threatened about abortion law now. The smear by association is nothing new; they tried the same with the papers that passed his desk from some other Bush administration figure that was misbehaving.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2018 10:40 GMT
#13882
That and why get the FBI involved.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 14 2018 11:34 GMT
#13883
Do we know the full contents of the letter, or are we drawing wild accusations off of snippets?
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
September 14 2018 12:20 GMT
#13884
i’m not sure why the dems seem to be throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks, they’ve displayed enough reasoning for why a person should not confirm the judge, and it didn’t matter in the first place.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 12:24:35
September 14 2018 12:23 GMT
#13885
On September 14 2018 11:54 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
Henry Cavill


Well, guess it doesn't matter anyway. There's so many obvious choices, why someone would go with that guy is beyond me. The Rock would've been a better choice, and i understand that the Rock doesn't have the correct skin color, hair, bodytype, anything at all to play the witcher. Neither does Cavill, but at least Johnson is likeable. Why Cavillo is chosen over Viggo Mortensen, or Karl Urban completely escapes me.


Are people this against Cavill? He was decent in Mission Impossible (Which is the only other movie I've seen him in other than Superman, which was bad for a number of other reasons), and he seems to be a genuine fan of the Witcher universe (or at least the games). Aesthetically he's not that far off either; some white hair and a few scars and he's good to go. He can even sport a decent unshaven look if they want to go for that. And what do you mean he doesn't have the right skin color? He's as white as they come.

I'm not seeing this as the total disaster everyone else is thinking, but I admit I might be missing a piece of the puzzle.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 14 2018 12:35 GMT
#13886
On September 14 2018 19:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and why get the FBI involved.

that question has already been answered quite thoroughly, why still ask it?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 12:53:22
September 14 2018 12:52 GMT
#13887
On September 14 2018 11:54 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
Henry Cavill

*snip*
Well, guess it doesn't matter anyway. There's so many obvious choices, why someone would go with that guy is beyond me. The Rock would've been a better choice, and i understand that the Rock doesn't have the correct skin color, hair, bodytype, anything at all to play the witcher. Neither does Cavill, but at least Johnson is likeable. Why Cavillo is chosen over Viggo Mortensen, or Karl Urban completely escapes me.

Holy shit Viggo Mortensen would be a great Geralt.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2018 12:52 GMT
#13888
Except they were both teenagers in HS. Never mind the statute of limitations involved, neither were involved with the federal government.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 14 2018 12:53 GMT
#13889
On September 14 2018 21:23 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 11:54 m4ini wrote:
Henry Cavill


Well, guess it doesn't matter anyway. There's so many obvious choices, why someone would go with that guy is beyond me. The Rock would've been a better choice, and i understand that the Rock doesn't have the correct skin color, hair, bodytype, anything at all to play the witcher. Neither does Cavill, but at least Johnson is likeable. Why Cavillo is chosen over Viggo Mortensen, or Karl Urban completely escapes me.


Are people this against Cavill? He was decent in Mission Impossible (Which is the only other movie I've seen him in other than Superman, which was bad for a number of other reasons), and he seems to be a genuine fan of the Witcher universe (or at least the games). Aesthetically he's not that far off either; some white hair and a few scars and he's good to go. He can even sport a decent unshaven look if they want to go for that. And what do you mean he doesn't have the right skin color? He's as white as they come.

I'm not seeing this as the total disaster everyone else is thinking, but I admit I might be missing a piece of the puzzle.

I liked him The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Yeah, his Superman isn't great but it's near impossible to make that character interesting the way he's being written.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
September 14 2018 12:54 GMT
#13890
Except the issue is not the substance of what actually took place back then, rather that if there exists any kind of legal charge or proceeding that Kavanaugh failed to disclose when interviewed by the FBI for his many federal positions, he committed a crime.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44311 Posts
September 14 2018 13:07 GMT
#13891
On September 14 2018 07:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 06:16 Plansix wrote:
I always get weirded out by fantasy series with humanoids that are all one skin color that just happens to be white. I get that its all magic and authors can make it whatever they want, but entire races that are kinda close to humans but are all Caucasian just because seems like weird choice for an author. Unless the world lacks a sun, then it sort of makes sense.

Most classic fantasy tend to be analogues for Europe, especially medieval Europe. And most of them also draw heavily from mid 20th century European authors that basically set the stage for the fantasy genre (Tolkein in particular).

Plus everyone knows classic fantasy = British accents, and everyone being white is largely what happens with the British accent casting pool. Especially in a series where birthright and lineage are plot relevant details, and not like Thor where you can have random Idris Elba.

Thor’s plot has been heavily driven by one guy being heir to the throne and his siblings disagreeing with that. Birthright and lineage are absolutely relevant, it’s just black skin isn’t really the issue with suspending disbelief in Marvel movies.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 14 2018 14:27 GMT
#13892
tangential, but one of the great things about horizon zero dawn was that the premise allowed for the tribes to basically be composed of people from all different ethnicities.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 14 2018 14:28 GMT
#13893
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2018 14:30 GMT
#13894
Because he is a pathological liar which has been proven time and time again.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 14:48:25
September 14 2018 14:47 GMT
#13895
Lol. Fox news has gone full on tinfoil hat over the FBI closing an observatory in New Mexico:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/09/14/new-mexico-observatorys-sudden-closure-sparks-wild-speculation.html

House said there were a lot of unanswered questions over Sunspot’s closure.

“But for the FBI to get involved that quick and be so secretive about it, there was a lot of stuff going on up there,” House told the newspaper. “There was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers but nobody would tell us anything.”

It was unclear when the observatory was going to re-open and workers decided to evacuate the facility as a “precautionary measure,” AURA spokeswoman Shari Lifson told the Alamogordo Daily News. Lifson couldn’t comment as to whether the FBI was involved.

Frank Fisher, an FBI spokesman, couldn’t confirm or deny the agency’s involvement, according to the Albuquerque Journal.

The mysterious nature of the closure sparked all kinds of speculation on the internet.

“When the aliens invade we have nowhere to evacuate to anyway; the truth will be our destiny,” Gene Alexander wrote on the observatory’s Facebook page, according to the Kansas City Star.


Regardless of how laughably this news is brought, is it normal for the FBI to shut down laboratories for security reasons? They haven't actually said why it's shut down, just that it's for "security". It seems weird. Could it have been hacked or something, and they can use the radio telescope for intercepting secure radio traffic or something? Seems like there would be easier ways to pick up radio signals than hacking an entire observatory, but what do I know.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22609 Posts
September 14 2018 14:50 GMT
#13896
On September 14 2018 23:47 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Fox news has gone full on tinfoil hat over the FBI closing an observatory in New Mexico:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/09/14/new-mexico-observatorys-sudden-closure-sparks-wild-speculation.html

Show nested quote +
House said there were a lot of unanswered questions over Sunspot’s closure.

“But for the FBI to get involved that quick and be so secretive about it, there was a lot of stuff going on up there,” House told the newspaper. “There was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers but nobody would tell us anything.”

It was unclear when the observatory was going to re-open and workers decided to evacuate the facility as a “precautionary measure,” AURA spokeswoman Shari Lifson told the Alamogordo Daily News. Lifson couldn’t comment as to whether the FBI was involved.

Frank Fisher, an FBI spokesman, couldn’t confirm or deny the agency’s involvement, according to the Albuquerque Journal.

The mysterious nature of the closure sparked all kinds of speculation on the internet.

“When the aliens invade we have nowhere to evacuate to anyway; the truth will be our destiny,” Gene Alexander wrote on the observatory’s Facebook page, according to the Kansas City Star.


Regardless of how laughably this news is brought, is it normal for the FBI to shut down laboratories for security reasons? They haven't actually said why it's shut down, just that it's for "security". It seems weird. Could it have been hacked or something, and they can use the radio telescope for intercepting secure radio traffic or something? Seems like there would be easier ways to pick up radio signals than hacking an entire observatory, but what do I know.
Apparently its located near a bunch of military bases? So I would assume its something to do with espionage.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2018 14:58 GMT
#13897
On September 14 2018 23:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 23:47 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Fox news has gone full on tinfoil hat over the FBI closing an observatory in New Mexico:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/09/14/new-mexico-observatorys-sudden-closure-sparks-wild-speculation.html

House said there were a lot of unanswered questions over Sunspot’s closure.

“But for the FBI to get involved that quick and be so secretive about it, there was a lot of stuff going on up there,” House told the newspaper. “There was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers but nobody would tell us anything.”

It was unclear when the observatory was going to re-open and workers decided to evacuate the facility as a “precautionary measure,” AURA spokeswoman Shari Lifson told the Alamogordo Daily News. Lifson couldn’t comment as to whether the FBI was involved.

Frank Fisher, an FBI spokesman, couldn’t confirm or deny the agency’s involvement, according to the Albuquerque Journal.

The mysterious nature of the closure sparked all kinds of speculation on the internet.

“When the aliens invade we have nowhere to evacuate to anyway; the truth will be our destiny,” Gene Alexander wrote on the observatory’s Facebook page, according to the Kansas City Star.


Regardless of how laughably this news is brought, is it normal for the FBI to shut down laboratories for security reasons? They haven't actually said why it's shut down, just that it's for "security". It seems weird. Could it have been hacked or something, and they can use the radio telescope for intercepting secure radio traffic or something? Seems like there would be easier ways to pick up radio signals than hacking an entire observatory, but what do I know.
Apparently its located near a bunch of military bases? So I would assume its something to do with espionage.

Or the military bases are away from population centers, so the light pollution is low and it was cheaper to get power and water to the observatory.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22609 Posts
September 14 2018 15:05 GMT
#13898
On September 14 2018 23:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 23:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2018 23:47 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Fox news has gone full on tinfoil hat over the FBI closing an observatory in New Mexico:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/09/14/new-mexico-observatorys-sudden-closure-sparks-wild-speculation.html

House said there were a lot of unanswered questions over Sunspot’s closure.

“But for the FBI to get involved that quick and be so secretive about it, there was a lot of stuff going on up there,” House told the newspaper. “There was a Blackhawk helicopter, a bunch of people around antennas and work crews on towers but nobody would tell us anything.”

It was unclear when the observatory was going to re-open and workers decided to evacuate the facility as a “precautionary measure,” AURA spokeswoman Shari Lifson told the Alamogordo Daily News. Lifson couldn’t comment as to whether the FBI was involved.

Frank Fisher, an FBI spokesman, couldn’t confirm or deny the agency’s involvement, according to the Albuquerque Journal.

The mysterious nature of the closure sparked all kinds of speculation on the internet.

“When the aliens invade we have nowhere to evacuate to anyway; the truth will be our destiny,” Gene Alexander wrote on the observatory’s Facebook page, according to the Kansas City Star.


Regardless of how laughably this news is brought, is it normal for the FBI to shut down laboratories for security reasons? They haven't actually said why it's shut down, just that it's for "security". It seems weird. Could it have been hacked or something, and they can use the radio telescope for intercepting secure radio traffic or something? Seems like there would be easier ways to pick up radio signals than hacking an entire observatory, but what do I know.
Apparently its located near a bunch of military bases? So I would assume its something to do with espionage.

Or the military bases are away from population centers, so the light pollution is low and it was cheaper to get power and water to the observatory.
I'm not talking about the convenience of building an observatory there? Radio receivers can be hacked and used by foreign powers to spy on military communication, just to name a random possibility.


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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 15:08:09
September 14 2018 15:06 GMT
#13899
On September 14 2018 23:28 JimmiC wrote:
Does anyone here believe that 20ish people died in PR and not close to 3000? Like I could get claiming 2000 or something. But I mean, really? Does anyone think Trump believes this? What is going on, how can anyone, let alone a president just make shit up and there be no consequence. And I don't mean legally I mean like how can people who support him trust him?


I have asked myself the same question, but most of his voters knew he is relaxes about what is true and accurate, but many will still vote for him no matter what BS he says. I think the main issue is that they feel he represents them and their value better than the Democrats would. Unfortunately, some of them could not care less about how many Puerto Ricans died from that hurricane anyway...

Edit: and could that comic book discussion end, please?
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
September 14 2018 15:11 GMT
#13900
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

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