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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2018 15:18 GMT
#13901
Yeah, that argument will hold water for some people. But there is also the lingering fear that if their area is hit by natural disaster the federal government isn’t going to help. That goes double for areas that have “angered” Trump.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 15:21:28
September 14 2018 15:21 GMT
#13902
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

Do you seriously believe this? Or are you hypothesizing other peoples' thought process.

Because there are plenty of effects of a storm that aren't instant death due to a wall falling over and crushing you, which can lead to a far slower/later death yet are directly attributable to the damage from the storm. Most notably disease due to unsanitary conditions (caused by houses and infrastructure blowing away and flooding).
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
September 14 2018 15:33 GMT
#13903
On September 15 2018 00:21 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

Do you seriously believe this? Or are you hypothesizing other peoples' thought process.

Because there are plenty of effects of a storm that aren't instant death due to a wall falling over and crushing you, which can lead to a far slower/later death yet are directly attributable to the damage from the storm. Most notably disease due to unsanitary conditions (caused by houses and infrastructure blowing away and flooding).

Yes I'm describing a likely common thought process that can explain why a lot of folks would believe claims that the number of hurricane deaths are horribly overblown. I understand the concepts you are explaining but many people do not. They are not incapable of understanding it (in most cases), but it isn't being forced-fed to them and they aren't seeking it out either.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 14 2018 15:43 GMT
#13904
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

You’re being unnecessarily dour and hyperbolic. I gather you have a very low opinion of your fellow citizens, but accusing them of dismissing how many people died (just because the President did) is a step too far.

You’re just going to make more people think the leftists call Trump supporters gullible idiots all the time and hate their countrymen, having given up on being part of one nation. (Since these kind of demeaning takes are omnipresent on cable news, you’re also going to be lumped into a mindless drone taking your marching orders from the liberal news media)
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 16:13:25
September 14 2018 15:52 GMT
#13905
On September 15 2018 00:43 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

You’re being unnecessarily dour and hyperbolic. I gather you have a very low opinion of your fellow citizens, but accusing them of dismissing how many people died (just because the President did) is a step too far.

You’re just going to make more people think the leftists call Trump supporters gullible idiots all the time and hate their countrymen, having given up on being part of one nation. (Since these kind of demeaning takes are omnipresent on cable news, you’re also going to be lumped into a mindless drone taking your marching orders from the liberal news media)


no one need look further than their favorite republican twitter account to see plenty examples of exactly what micronesia has posted. he didn’t claim every republican on earth is that stupid. but what he said is on display anywhere you look.

your post reads as if it’s a fringe belief, and it is not.

unless you’re implying they believe it’s a fiction for reasons other than the president said so, which i haven’t fully wrapped
my head around yet, but i think it’d be worse.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21952 Posts
September 14 2018 15:54 GMT
#13906
On September 15 2018 00:43 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

You’re being unnecessarily dour and hyperbolic. I gather you have a very low opinion of your fellow citizens, but accusing them of dismissing how many people died (just because the President did) is a step too far.

You’re just going to make more people think the leftists call Trump supporters gullible idiots all the time and hate their countrymen, having given up on being part of one nation. (Since these kind of demeaning takes are omnipresent on cable news, you’re also going to be lumped into a mindless drone taking your marching orders from the liberal news media)
You need to take a good hard look at your own party's supporters if you really believe they are not made up of a significant portion of gullible idiots who will eat up Trumps words and actually believe him.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 19:00:25
September 14 2018 16:15 GMT
#13907
Edit for context:
So police have tried to retroactively prove that a man who was killed by an officer was a criminal by executing a search warrant related to 'narcotics' on his house.
In the context of previous blatant police crimes and how officers get away with it every single time, this is an especially cruel way to go about it. For an organization to kill a man and then try to smear him is bad enough, but when its the organization sworn to protect and serve that man, how is the community around him supposed to react to that?


I don't know anything about US police/legal procedure. Is it normal to have a warrant with references to narcotics in relation to a recently deceased murder victim?
Is this a smear, or just police procedure?

Now KXAS reports that the day after the shooting, a Dallas Police Department investigator obtained a warrant to search Jean's apartment. The warrant, signed by 292nd District Court Judge Brandon Birmingham, says the police intended to look for "any contraband, such as narcotics," that could "constitute[e] evidence of a criminal offense."

The warrant seems to suggest police had reason to believe some sort of illegal substance was present at Jean's residence. When asked whether such probable cause existed, a Dallas police spokesperson referred Reason to the Texas Rangers, who took over the investigation soon after the shooting. A Texas Rangers spokesperson, in turn, referred Reason to the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

A spokesperson for the district attorney said the search warrant was "fairly standard" for such a high-profile case, but added that "no specifics about the case will be released at this time to maintain the integrity of the case."

So it remains unclear why the warrant referenced narcotics. According to Houston-based criminal defense attorney Mark Bennett, there doesn't appear to be any legitimate legal reason for police to include that language. But there could be a practical one. "They want to smear the guy," he speculates. "He no longer has reason to complain about the search of his place, because he's dead," he adds.


https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/12/frfrfr
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 16:26:31
September 14 2018 16:26 GMT
#13908
On September 15 2018 01:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
Now KXAS reports that the day after the shooting, a Dallas Police Department investigator obtained a warrant to search Jean's apartment. The warrant, signed by 292nd District Court Judge Brandon Birmingham, says the police intended to look for "any contraband, such as narcotics," that could "constitute[e] evidence of a criminal offense."

The warrant seems to suggest police had reason to believe some sort of illegal substance was present at Jean's residence. When asked whether such probable cause existed, a Dallas police spokesperson referred Reason to the Texas Rangers, who took over the investigation soon after the shooting. A Texas Rangers spokesperson, in turn, referred Reason to the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

A spokesperson for the district attorney said the search warrant was "fairly standard" for such a high-profile case, but added that "no specifics about the case will be released at this time to maintain the integrity of the case."

So it remains unclear why the warrant referenced narcotics. According to Houston-based criminal defense attorney Mark Bennett, there doesn't appear to be any legitimate legal reason for police to include that language. But there could be a practical one. "They want to smear the guy," he speculates. "He no longer has reason to complain about the search of his place, because he's dead," he adds.


https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/12/frfrfr

I don't know anything about US police/legal procedure. Is it normal to have a warrant with references to narcotics in relation to a recently deceased murder victim?
Is this a smear, or just police procedure?



100% a smear. They are trying to find something so they can go 'Look! the cop had to kill this guy in his own home after she broke in! He had drugs!!!!!'
Something witty
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
September 14 2018 16:35 GMT
#13909
On September 15 2018 01:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
Now KXAS reports that the day after the shooting, a Dallas Police Department investigator obtained a warrant to search Jean's apartment. The warrant, signed by 292nd District Court Judge Brandon Birmingham, says the police intended to look for "any contraband, such as narcotics," that could "constitute[e] evidence of a criminal offense."

The warrant seems to suggest police had reason to believe some sort of illegal substance was present at Jean's residence. When asked whether such probable cause existed, a Dallas police spokesperson referred Reason to the Texas Rangers, who took over the investigation soon after the shooting. A Texas Rangers spokesperson, in turn, referred Reason to the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

A spokesperson for the district attorney said the search warrant was "fairly standard" for such a high-profile case, but added that "no specifics about the case will be released at this time to maintain the integrity of the case."

So it remains unclear why the warrant referenced narcotics. According to Houston-based criminal defense attorney Mark Bennett, there doesn't appear to be any legitimate legal reason for police to include that language. But there could be a practical one. "They want to smear the guy," he speculates. "He no longer has reason to complain about the search of his place, because he's dead," he adds.


https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/12/frfrfr

I don't know anything about US police/legal procedure. Is it normal to have a warrant with references to narcotics in relation to a recently deceased murder victim?
Is this a smear, or just police procedure?

I doubt its a smear but I don't know what else it could be. I don't think anyone is really dumb enough to try and get a search warrant the day after (especially when search warrants are a button press away most of the time) for no reason. I mean theres no way its not a crime if they back date it and theres no way it won't be found out either way once it goes to court.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2018 16:38 GMT
#13910
On September 15 2018 01:35 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 01:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Now KXAS reports that the day after the shooting, a Dallas Police Department investigator obtained a warrant to search Jean's apartment. The warrant, signed by 292nd District Court Judge Brandon Birmingham, says the police intended to look for "any contraband, such as narcotics," that could "constitute[e] evidence of a criminal offense."

The warrant seems to suggest police had reason to believe some sort of illegal substance was present at Jean's residence. When asked whether such probable cause existed, a Dallas police spokesperson referred Reason to the Texas Rangers, who took over the investigation soon after the shooting. A Texas Rangers spokesperson, in turn, referred Reason to the Dallas County District Attorney's Office.

A spokesperson for the district attorney said the search warrant was "fairly standard" for such a high-profile case, but added that "no specifics about the case will be released at this time to maintain the integrity of the case."

So it remains unclear why the warrant referenced narcotics. According to Houston-based criminal defense attorney Mark Bennett, there doesn't appear to be any legitimate legal reason for police to include that language. But there could be a practical one. "They want to smear the guy," he speculates. "He no longer has reason to complain about the search of his place, because he's dead," he adds.


https://reason.com/blog/2018/09/12/frfrfr

I don't know anything about US police/legal procedure. Is it normal to have a warrant with references to narcotics in relation to a recently deceased murder victim?
Is this a smear, or just police procedure?

I doubt its a smear but I don't know what else it could be. I don't think anyone is really dumb enough to try and get a search warrant the day after (especially when search warrants are a button press away most of the time) for no reason. I mean theres no way its not a crime if they back date it and theres no way it won't be found out either way once it goes to court.

It is 100% the police department trying to protect their own. They previously released a statement saying the guy "refused to obey commands" and have refused to release information on if the officer was intoxicated.

The refused to respond/obey to commends line is extra funny because the response from reporters was "It's his house."
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 16:46:14
September 14 2018 16:43 GMT
#13911
Update to yesterday's Manafort news... he is officially flipping. To nobodies surprise Guiliani/Trump were wrong again. I've seen some reports that say his cooperation may be focused only on pre-campaign Russian dealings, but The Hill article makes it seem like it could be more. Either way we are now at the point where yet another potential witness is talking to, and sharing documents with, Mueller.

Would love to have seen Trump's reaction to the news. We may get it via twitter I suppose.

Source:
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 14 2018 16:44 GMT
#13912
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 16:58:09
September 14 2018 16:55 GMT
#13913
On September 14 2018 22:07 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 07:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 14 2018 06:16 Plansix wrote:
I always get weirded out by fantasy series with humanoids that are all one skin color that just happens to be white. I get that its all magic and authors can make it whatever they want, but entire races that are kinda close to humans but are all Caucasian just because seems like weird choice for an author. Unless the world lacks a sun, then it sort of makes sense.

Most classic fantasy tend to be analogues for Europe, especially medieval Europe. And most of them also draw heavily from mid 20th century European authors that basically set the stage for the fantasy genre (Tolkein in particular).

Plus everyone knows classic fantasy = British accents, and everyone being white is largely what happens with the British accent casting pool. Especially in a series where birthright and lineage are plot relevant details, and not like Thor where you can have random Idris Elba.

Thor’s plot has been heavily driven by one guy being heir to the throne and his siblings disagreeing with that. Birthright and lineage are absolutely relevant, it’s just black skin isn’t really the issue with suspending disbelief in Marvel movies.

Except that the character of Hiemdall has no relevance to birthright and lineage. If it was Thor, who is involved in the issue of lineage, was black with white parents then a big suspension of disbelief would occur. Then again Loki looks distinctively not frost giant so who knows.
____

On September 15 2018 00:43 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

You’re being unnecessarily dour and hyperbolic. I gather you have a very low opinion of your fellow citizens, but accusing them of dismissing how many people died (just because the President did) is a step too far.

You’re just going to make more people think the leftists call Trump supporters gullible idiots all the time and hate their countrymen, having given up on being part of one nation. (Since these kind of demeaning takes are omnipresent on cable news, you’re also going to be lumped into a mindless drone taking your marching orders from the liberal news media)

Poe's law, I can't tell if Danglars is serious or not.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2018 17:03 GMT
#13914
Marvel's Thor was written by hippies on drugs during the 1960s, which is way he ran on a rainbow road and went to all these wild planets to have adventures. Also in the mythology Loki isn't Thor's brother, gives birth to the big ass wolf and the world serpent. Loki was also a big horse that seduced another big horse to stop a Giant from building a wall and winning a bet, because that is how myths work. But that was way to out there for even drug inspired Marvel comics, so they just make him Thor's brother. Hiemdall being black would be the least shocking things in Norse myths and is preferable to all the animal fucking that leads to nightmare creatures.

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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 14 2018 17:04 GMT
#13915
On September 15 2018 00:33 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2018 00:21 Acrofales wrote:
On September 15 2018 00:11 micronesia wrote:
I wasn't paying close attention to the news coverage when the big storm hit Puerto Rico, but I have seen headlines arguing about how many people died. It is obviously becoming a politicized issue, driven completely by the left to make the current administration look bad. How could one storm or hurricane kill thousands of people? The president's explanation makes sense to me: There have been thousands of deaths attributed to the hurricane that would have happened anyway, which isn't the government's fault.

-A lot of people, probably.

Do you seriously believe this? Or are you hypothesizing other peoples' thought process.

Because there are plenty of effects of a storm that aren't instant death due to a wall falling over and crushing you, which can lead to a far slower/later death yet are directly attributable to the damage from the storm. Most notably disease due to unsanitary conditions (caused by houses and infrastructure blowing away and flooding).

Yes I'm describing a likely common thought process that can explain why a lot of folks would believe claims that the number of hurricane deaths are horribly overblown. I understand the concepts you are explaining but many people do not. They are not incapable of understanding it (in most cases), but it isn't being forced-fed to them and they aren't seeking it out either.

something about the way your first post is written makes it unclear, at least at first glance, that you're describing how some people erroneously think rather than what you believe. Not sure how to change it; maybe move the note about it being a reference to others' thoughts at the start instead of the end? with a disclaimer that you're not agreeing with it?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 14 2018 17:06 GMT
#13916
On September 14 2018 21:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Except they were both teenagers in HS. Never mind the statute of limitations involved, neither were involved with the federal government.

were you responding to me? it's not clear if you wnated me to counter-respond or if you were talking to the thread.
and again, this matter has already been addressed, how come you didn't see the explanations that covered why the fbi would be involved?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 14 2018 17:07 GMT
#13917
On September 14 2018 15:03 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2018 10:13 Introvert wrote:
For the purpose of comedy, I sincerely hope the Guardian isn't getting trolled and this is the actual story of the supposed incident. They might be just be embarrassing themselves one last time before this is over.

I suppose for context I should add that this is a story from a well-respected news source on the last minute, highly suspicious accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh for some sort of misconduct, with #MeToo overtones.

A senior Democratic senator has alerted federal investigators to a confidential letter she received regarding Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump’s conservative nominee for the US supreme court, in an extraordinary move that suggested she had been informed of possible wrongdoing.

Dianne Feinstein, who is the top Democrat on the Senate judiciary committee, said she had received information about Kavanaugh’s nomination from an individual who had strongly requested confidentiality. The letter was likely passed on to the FBI because the bureau is responsible for background checks into judicial nominees.

News of the letter came as Judge Kavanaugh faced fresh scrutiny about his relationship with another judge, who was forced to resign from the bench last year.

“I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court,” Feinstein said in a statement.

“That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities,” she said.

A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.

A spokesman for Feinstein declined to comment. The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.

While additional details about the letter were scarce, two media outlets have reported that the person who wrote the letter is being represented by an attorney, Debra Katz, who has been described in media reports as Washington’s #MeToo lawyer.

Katz has not responded to a request for comment from the Guardian. BuzzFeed reported that she was seen on Capitol Hill on Wednesday night, shortly after the Intercept first reported the existence of the letter.


And just as the cherry on top, the last ~900 words of the article are all about Kavanaugh's relationship to now-disgraced former Judge Kozinski, which is an obvious attempt to try and make this something, while being a recognition that it's really nothing. It's pretty dirty, really, but it IS funny.

www.theguardian.com

Edit: or, as one theoy I read says, this is purposely ridiculous so that when the "real story" comes out, it enhances it. Interesting thought.

The nomination process is going quite well if Feinstein’s reduced to accusing Kavanaugh of locking someone in a room when he was a teenager. I guess the line is that he made a girl feel threatened when he was young, and now he’s making all women feel threatened about abortion law now. The smear by association is nothing new; they tried the same with the papers that passed his desk from some other Bush administration figure that was misbehaving.


The New Yorker reports that the allegation is basically attempted rape. He covered her mouth, attempted to force himself on her, and they turned up the music in the room so others wouldn't hear her protests. This woman first provided the letter to Feinstein in July.

No doubt Kavanaugh 's supporters will now argue that the rape accuser must be lying because of x, y, and z. I just want to know why Feinstein sat on this.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-14 17:10:20
September 14 2018 17:09 GMT
#13918
Maybe what you wrote Plansix is all true, but that's not the argument kwark was making now was it? Honestly, I don't particularily care about the witcher/marvel/starwars universe, I am just pointing out that it makes no sense to pick out the plot is about birthright and lineage, and then pick out a guy who is unrelated to that plot as being black. Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched Thor, but from what I know of Norse mythology, I am guessing that Heimdallr is unrelated to plots of lineage and birthright.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2018 17:10 GMT
#13919
Apparently some Willie Nelson fans are mad that he played a concert for/with Beto O'Rourke. Just think about going through your life thinking that Willie Nelson was a Republican or wasn't super fucking left leaning? Like, he has supported Democrats in the past. Like a lot of them.

It is like this group of people got into politics and didn't brother to find out what everyone else in existence was doing for the majority of their lives.
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September 14 2018 17:12 GMT
#13920
On September 15 2018 02:07 Doodsmack wrote:
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On September 14 2018 15:03 Danglars wrote:
On September 14 2018 10:13 Introvert wrote:
For the purpose of comedy, I sincerely hope the Guardian isn't getting trolled and this is the actual story of the supposed incident. They might be just be embarrassing themselves one last time before this is over.

I suppose for context I should add that this is a story from a well-respected news source on the last minute, highly suspicious accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh for some sort of misconduct, with #MeToo overtones.

A senior Democratic senator has alerted federal investigators to a confidential letter she received regarding Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump’s conservative nominee for the US supreme court, in an extraordinary move that suggested she had been informed of possible wrongdoing.

Dianne Feinstein, who is the top Democrat on the Senate judiciary committee, said she had received information about Kavanaugh’s nomination from an individual who had strongly requested confidentiality. The letter was likely passed on to the FBI because the bureau is responsible for background checks into judicial nominees.

News of the letter came as Judge Kavanaugh faced fresh scrutiny about his relationship with another judge, who was forced to resign from the bench last year.

“I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court,” Feinstein said in a statement.

“That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities,” she said.

A source who said they were briefed on the contents of the letter said it described an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman that took place when both were 17 years old and at a party. According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The Guardian has not verified the apparent claims in the letter. It is not yet clear who wrote it.

A spokesman for Feinstein declined to comment. The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.

While additional details about the letter were scarce, two media outlets have reported that the person who wrote the letter is being represented by an attorney, Debra Katz, who has been described in media reports as Washington’s #MeToo lawyer.

Katz has not responded to a request for comment from the Guardian. BuzzFeed reported that she was seen on Capitol Hill on Wednesday night, shortly after the Intercept first reported the existence of the letter.


And just as the cherry on top, the last ~900 words of the article are all about Kavanaugh's relationship to now-disgraced former Judge Kozinski, which is an obvious attempt to try and make this something, while being a recognition that it's really nothing. It's pretty dirty, really, but it IS funny.

www.theguardian.com

Edit: or, as one theoy I read says, this is purposely ridiculous so that when the "real story" comes out, it enhances it. Interesting thought.

The nomination process is going quite well if Feinstein’s reduced to accusing Kavanaugh of locking someone in a room when he was a teenager. I guess the line is that he made a girl feel threatened when he was young, and now he’s making all women feel threatened about abortion law now. The smear by association is nothing new; they tried the same with the papers that passed his desk from some other Bush administration figure that was misbehaving.


The New Yorker reports that the allegation is basically attempted rape. He covered her mouth, attempted to force himself on her, and they turned up the music in the room so others wouldn't hear her protests. This woman first provided the letter to Feinstein in July.

No doubt Kavanaugh 's supporters will now argue that the rape accuser must be lying because of x, y, and z. I just want to know why Feinstein sat on this.


And when this is eventually shown to be credible, people will talk about how rape is super common in rural communities and how women are expected to stop whining about it for the sake of social cohesion. Which is true, of course, but isn't the kind of standard I have for the supreme court. Even if we were to assume rape is somewhat common, I do not want a somewhat common man on the supreme court.
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