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Dangermousecatdog
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ShoCkeyy
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Womwomwom
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Its like the whole R Kelly situation. Musicians who aren't garbage don't associate with R Kelly because he's a pedophile and rapist. If you're still willing to hang out with him or work with him, chances are that you're sort of a terrible person. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 05 2018 08:52 Womwomwom wrote: I dunno why someone like Stephen Miller would associate himself with Richard "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent" Spencer if he didn't share similar views to him or were willing to tolerate them for whatever reason. You know, like how people who aren't garbage don't associate themselves with R Kelly because he's a fucking pedophile and rapist. The biggest example of this association was, "I have absolutely no relationship with Mr. Spencer. I completely repudiate his views, and his claims are 100% false." These secret racists and secret white supremacists are one step away from the kind of Trutherism and Birtherism that I thought you decried. I really dislike seeing the hatred of Trump turn into embrace of every cockamamie conspiracy theory. But that's the nature of the opposition at this moment in history. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On September 05 2018 08:59 Danglars wrote: The biggest example of this association was, "I have absolutely no relationship with Mr. Spencer. I completely repudiate his views, and his claims are 100% false." Yes, I'm going to believe two people part of the Duke Conservative Union at the same time had absolutely no relationship. Especially with the large part the two had in the conservative response to the Duke lacrosse rape scandal. I'm absolutely going to take Miller at his word and assume Spencer is lying out of his ass despite it being utterly implausible that the two had no relationship. That's ignoring the countless interviews Miller has given throughout the years where he's not sympathetic towards people of colour at best. This goes long before Trump, what does Miller have to do to prove that he's a racist? Wear a hood or yell the n-word with a hard 'r'? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 05 2018 09:14 Womwomwom wrote: Yes, I'm going to believe two people part of the Duke Conservative Union at the same time had absolutely no relationship. Especially with the large part the two had in the conservative response to the Duke lacrosse rape scandal. I'm absolutely going to take Miller at his word and assume Spencer is lying out of his ass despite it being utterly implausible that the two had no relationship. That's ignoring the countless interviews Miller has given throughout the years where he's not sympathetic towards people of colour at best. This goes long before Trump, what does Miller have to do to prove that he's a racist? Wear a hood or yell the n-word with a hard 'r'? That's the point. They're taking advantage of the current political climate to inch closer and closer to obviously racist shit that would've had you thrown out on your ass 5 years ago. By finding even the tiniest crumb of plausible deniability, and acting like a victim when people see through your act, you can officially claim that even wearing a white hood can't be officially declared as racist. We're pretty much there now. | ||
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m4ini
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On September 05 2018 09:14 Womwomwom wrote: Yes, I'm going to believe two people part of the Duke Conservative Union at the same time had absolutely no relationship. Especially with the large part the two had in the conservative response to the Duke lacrosse rape scandal. I'm absolutely going to take Miller at his word and assume Spencer is lying out of his ass despite it being utterly implausible that the two had no relationship. That's ignoring the countless interviews Miller has given throughout the years where he's not sympathetic towards people of colour at best. This goes long before Trump, what does Miller have to do to prove that he's a racist? Wear a hood or yell the n-word with a hard 'r'? There are also emails by Spencer making clear that he and Miller met, plus statements by other former dukes including one making clear that spencer and miller played advisers multiple times. But i guess we're back at "Trump never touched that pornchick, he said so - WITCH HUNT!". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18234 Posts
Given both of these stances, they are clearly not interested in actually evaluating his capabilities. While i can sympathize with the Democrats' viewpoint, in that they feel they were cheated out of a nominee more favourable to them and will therefore obstruct the shit out of this (although they can't really), I don't understand why the republicans aren't at least pretending to do their job of vetting the nominee, rather than just telling him that it doesn't matter *what* he says (or refuses to answer), he will be confirmed. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote: I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes. There's a group to be formed in Germany called Jews in the AfD. The AfD is in parts extreme right wing anti Jewish anti Islam anti everything not "German". There are historians denying the holocaust. Life is strange sometimes and the apple might not fall far from the tree but maybe in this instance the tree was next to a cliff and the apple went on a long journey to end up where it is right now. Not saying you're definitely wrong, just that some head scratching things do happen. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7992 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:09 Artisreal wrote: There's a group to be formed in Germany called Jews in the AfD. The AfD is in parts extreme right wing anti Jewish anti Islam anti everything not "German". There are historians denying the holocaust. Life is strange sometimes and the apple might not fall far from the tree but maybe in this instance the tree was next to a cliff and the apple went on a long journey to end up where it is right now. Not saying you're definitely wrong, just that some head scratching things do happen. France has its lot of Front National jewish enthusiasts. Never mind the party was funded by people from the WW2 pro-nazi paramilitary group La Milice or that Jean Marie Le Pen published some nazi songs with an actual former SS. Hell there are even black Le Pen supporters, even though the bread and butter of the party since its creation has been to portray them as sub human monkeys that should go back to Africa. But it seems to me that in Danglar’s world you are not a racist unless you go in the street in a KKK outfit, and if you say you are not a white supremacist, we should totally ignore your whole background, you semantic, your rethoric and just believe you. Otherwise you are one step away from crazy conspirationists such as birthers, you know, like the guy he voted for. Logic my friends. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:57 Acrofales wrote: I'm a bit confused as to the point of these hearings. I mean, I understand what they *should* be. They should be an "independent panel" evaluating whether the nominee is capable of correctly performing the tasks of a SC justice. The problem I haveis with the way the whole senate is acting. Democrats are making a political theatre out of it, moaning about pages that are mostly irrelevant. Republicans on the other hand, are assuring Kavanaugh that he doesn't really have to answer anything to the democrats as they have the majority and will approve him, essentially regardless of what skeletons he has hiding in the closet. Given both of these stances, they are clearly not interested in actually evaluating his capabilities. While i can sympathize with the Democrats' viewpoint, in that they feel they were cheated out of a nominee more favourable to them and will therefore obstruct the shit out of this (although they can't really), I don't understand why the republicans aren't at least pretending to do their job of vetting the nominee, rather than just telling him that it doesn't matter *what* he says (or refuses to answer), he will be confirmed. why would the republicans pretend to do their job if there isn't any benefit for them in doing so? If it's to their electoral benefit to shill, then that's what they'll do. Doing actual thoughtful vetting doesn't get votes. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
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KwarK
United States43677 Posts
Another nicely aged Trump tweet here. Also the Cohn story is remarkable. They literally hid the NAFTA withdrawal from him and abused his lack of object permanence. If he can’t see it he’ll forget he asked for it. | ||
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KwarK
United States43677 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:17 JimmiC wrote: Someone posted an article about the Woodward book where claims are being made about behind the scenes in the white house, including fights between Ivanka and Bannon and some of Trumps odd behavior. It also talks about aides and bureaucrats hiding papers from Trump so he can't sign them and trying to keep him from doing damaging things. Stating that he has the understanding of a grade 5-6 kid. How he doesn't understand the need for troops abroad and so on. All of it is disturbing. To play some devils advocate, what is also disturbing is that people are actively sabotaging the president elect. I hope all these people are doing it because they believe it is the right thing to do but some of it sounds almost criminal. How would have people felt if people had been hiding documents from Obama? If he really is as bat shit crazy as they say it is still probably better to let him go off the rails then deal with that in a open way. No wonder he has so many conspiracy theories and that his base believes him. People in the white house are actively working against him. Whether or not you agree with him and his policies I can't see this is a productive way to run the White House. https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html If you hid a paper Obama asked for from him he’d ask where it was because Obama knows things can still exist even when not currently interacting with them. | ||
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Plansix
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