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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28896 Posts
September 04 2018 20:03 GMT
#13381
I didn't know about the white power sign but the first hit I got googling it was this https://lifehacker.com/is-this-an-innocent-ok-sign-or-a-white-power-symbol-1825575794

which seemed like a fair enough introduction. Basically, 'it's contextual', and 'this girl definitely knew what she was doing and what it meant'.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 20:05:16
September 04 2018 20:04 GMT
#13382
On September 05 2018 04:57 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 04:36 On_Slaught wrote:
What a fucking shitshow. Judicial aid to Trump and Republicans throwing up the white power sign during the hearing. That's about as natural a hand position as saying "monkey it up" is a normal saying. No doubt they will say it was unintended. Just one more dog whistle for the pile.

Source and video:


Edited for format.


Can you link how this is a white power symbol? When I first saw it I see it as the dumb meme that gets you punched if you look at it


It is one of the more common white power hand signs. Basically the 3 fingers mean W and the circle represents the P in White Power.

Ofc it can also mean "asshole" in ASL. So either she is sending out yet another dog whistle or it's simply a highly inappropriate fuck you to the dems. But no doubt it is one of those given how unnatural that position is.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2018 20:14 GMT
#13383
White power sign also means asshole in ALS. God damn god tier dog whistle.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37117 Posts
September 04 2018 20:19 GMT
#13384
On September 05 2018 05:00 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 04:47 Seeker wrote:
Everyone, please take note that I will start handing out mod actions soon if this keeps up.

NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

If you're going to provide tweets as a means of source, then please explain what the tweet is about BEFORE you link it.

I find this warning confusing; because it's been an established thread rule for a good while now, with many people moderated for violating it already. So I don't understand why you'd give this note instead of just directly giving those red mod warnings to offenders (and scaling up based on how many previous times they violated the rule). i.e. the notion that you'd "start" handing out mod action if it keeps up seems odd, given that the threads moderators have already handed out mod actions in the past, many times, for the same violations.
is that clear enough about why it's confusing?

It's me being lenient and deciding to post a reminder about the mod note instead of just handing out mod actions. I do that from time to time. Other mods do that from time to time. Sometimes, we're just in a very "forgiving" kind of mood.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 04 2018 20:55 GMT
#13385
--- Nuked ---
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway492 Posts
September 04 2018 21:35 GMT
#13386
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 04 2018 21:40 GMT
#13387
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.


Really? I tried it and it seems super unnatural
Something witty
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 04 2018 21:48 GMT
#13388
If Democrats just walked out of the Kavanaugh hearing, would that delay things? Is there any sort of ultimately obstructive way Democrats can prevent Kavanaugh?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 04 2018 21:58 GMT
#13389
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 04 2018 22:07 GMT
#13390
On September 05 2018 06:48 Mohdoo wrote:
If Democrats just walked out of the Kavanaugh hearing, would that delay things? Is there any sort of ultimately obstructive way Democrats can prevent Kavanaugh?

Interrupting opening statements, multiple points of order, and ignoring norms to make motions and interjections is basically the apex of delay.

That is, short of persuading Republicans or Dems up for re-election in red states to not support the nomination or vote no until a delay is granted.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2018 22:19 GMT
#13391
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.

Someone read her husbands twitter feed. But not much to say about it, it either is or it isn’t and we will never really know.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 22:46:40
September 04 2018 22:35 GMT
#13392
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.


Stephen Miller's grandparents were illegal immigrants who fled Russian persecution of the jews to America. Look at him now.

You're reaching if you really think everything you just typed disqualifies her as even possibly being a supporter of white supremacist groups.

Edit: For hilarity sake let me add this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12535 Posts
September 04 2018 22:42 GMT
#13393
On September 05 2018 07:35 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote:
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.


Stephen Miller's grandparents were illegal immigrants who fled Russian persecution of the jews to America. Look at him now.

You're reaching if you really think everything you just typed disqualifies her as even possibly being a supporter of white supremacist groups.


Either way, even if she's not doing it "for white supremacy", she's doing it to elicit a reaction so that they can paint themselves as victims of the left who sees white supremacy in everything. Which is just as reprehensible.

There's no argument that she just happened to make that sign completely out of the blue.
No will to live, no wish to die
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 04 2018 22:44 GMT
#13394
Didn't Manafort's father survive the Holocaust too? As we found out when he told him what he's been doing is fucking despicable and he should turn himself in. So this whole "but they're a descendant of a Holocaust survivor, they can't possibly express white supremacist views" thing can safely be flushed as quickly as it was shat out.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 22:50:56
September 04 2018 22:48 GMT
#13395
The whole point of these signs is that they have as much plausible deniability like "monkey this up". No wait. That doesn't quite work either. Actually I think people are starting to get tired of these plausible deniability business.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 04 2018 22:59 GMT
#13396
On September 05 2018 05:55 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 04:57 IyMoon wrote:
On September 05 2018 04:36 On_Slaught wrote:
What a fucking shitshow. Judicial aid to Trump and Republicans throwing up the white power sign during the hearing. That's about as natural a hand position as saying "monkey it up" is a normal saying. No doubt they will say it was unintended. Just one more dog whistle for the pile.

Source and video:
https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/1037052707884990475

Edited for format.


Can you link how this is a white power symbol? When I first saw it I see it as the dumb meme that gets you punched if you look at it


ROLF lol I thought the same thing, I was like she is gonna get to punch millions!

But it was above her waist!

Seriously though, I often end up with my hand in a similar position when I cross my arms.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2018 23:08 GMT
#13397
But the real story is that we took 400 children from their parents, deported a bunch of the parents and haven’t returned their children. But this hand sign thing is a close second to that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 04 2018 23:15 GMT
#13398
On September 05 2018 07:35 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote:
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.


Stephen Miller's grandparents were illegal immigrants who fled Russian persecution of the jews to America. Look at him now.

You're reaching if you really think everything you just typed disqualifies her as even possibly being a supporter of white supremacist groups.

Edit: For hilarity sake let me add this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/stpeteyontweety/status/1037055966355890176

Right, secretly accusing Stephen Miller as a closet white supremacist is just as ludicrous as doing the same to Zina.

I usually attribute this to the usual ad-hominem rationalization: If the arguments are too hard to deal with, attack the individual making them. In this case, they're white supremacists and racists, communicating with their fellow racists and white supremacists through closeted language and hand gestures.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12535 Posts
September 04 2018 23:19 GMT
#13399
On September 05 2018 08:15 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 07:35 On_Slaught wrote:
On September 05 2018 06:58 Danglars wrote:
On September 05 2018 06:35 Neneu wrote:
To be fair, I've sat with my hands like that several times at job meetings. It doesn't mean anything except that i am tired and getting different stimulus from touching helps me stay awake and focused. It would be strange if I were the only one.

I’d say it’s strange for both a Mexican American and the daughter of a Jew to be secretively flashing White Power on a Supreme Court hearing. Her grandparents are holocaust survivors for Pete’s sakes.


Stephen Miller's grandparents were illegal immigrants who fled Russian persecution of the jews to America. Look at him now.

You're reaching if you really think everything you just typed disqualifies her as even possibly being a supporter of white supremacist groups.

Edit: For hilarity sake let me add this picture:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/stpeteyontweety/status/1037055966355890176

Right, secretly accusing Stephen Miller as a closet white supremacist is just as ludicrous as doing the same to Zina.

I usually attribute this to the usual ad-hominem rationalization: If the arguments are too hard to deal with, attack the individual making them. In this case, they're white supremacists and racists, communicating with their fellow racists and white supremacists through closeted language and hand gestures.


So apparently there is an argument that we can't fight here. What is it?
No will to live, no wish to die
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 04 2018 23:20 GMT
#13400
I think all the children being stolen from their parents and put on display at the border to scare folks from South America away from the US is a compelling argument that Steve Miller is in fact, super racist.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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