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On September 02 2018 09:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote:
Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? This. Don't say things to a journalist that you don't want them to repeat. Hell, don't say things to anyone if you don't want them to repeat them. But especially not journalists. It's baffling that Trump doesn't know how to have thoughts and not say them. Honestly it'd probably be worth it to get him a deaf friend to talk to, just to help protect national security. Also I really don't get how the "dishonest media quoted me verbatim" line works. He's agreeing that he said it, whether or not a gentlemen's agreement existed between him and the journalist doesn't somehow make the Bloomberg reporting dishonest.
There certainly is a place for "off the record" answers. But it always comes with the basic knowledge that the information will still be used, it just won't be explicitly connected with you.
And it also requires a mutual respect between the journalist and yourself, even if it's only in a professional context. Which I don't think a professional bridge-burning President could even begin to comprehend.
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On September 02 2018 09:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote:
Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? This. Don't say things to a journalist that you don't want them to repeat. Hell, don't say things to anyone if you don't want them to repeat them. But especially not journalists. It's baffling that Trump doesn't know how to have thoughts and not say them. Honestly it'd probably be worth it to get him a deaf friend to talk to, just to help protect national security. Also I really don't get how the "dishonest media quoted me verbatim" line works. He's agreeing that he said it, whether or not a gentlemen's agreement existed between him and the journalist doesn't somehow make the Bloomberg reporting dishonest.
The amount of stupid s... polticians tell journalists is always surprising especially if it’s about stuff they believe in. Just remember someone as supremely controlled as Obama saying that people were turning to guns and religion out of bitterness in the middle of his campaign. I think it’s harder than one think and takes a lot of discipline never to say something you shouldn’t to people you discuss with constantly.
That Trump can’t do it for the life of him is really not surprising at all.
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On September 02 2018 17:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2018 09:29 KwarK wrote:On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote:
Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? This. Don't say things to a journalist that you don't want them to repeat. Hell, don't say things to anyone if you don't want them to repeat them. But especially not journalists. It's baffling that Trump doesn't know how to have thoughts and not say them. Honestly it'd probably be worth it to get him a deaf friend to talk to, just to help protect national security. Also I really don't get how the "dishonest media quoted me verbatim" line works. He's agreeing that he said it, whether or not a gentlemen's agreement existed between him and the journalist doesn't somehow make the Bloomberg reporting dishonest. The amount of stupid s... polticians tell journalists is always surprising especially if it’s about stuff they believe in. Just remember someone as supremely controlled as Obama saying that people were turning to guns and religion out of bitterness in the middle of his campaign. I think it’s harder than one think and takes a lot of discipline never to say something you shouldn’t to people you discuss with constantly. That Trump can’t do it for the life of him is really not surprising at all.
Depends on how carefully you control who you talk to, and about what topics. Skilled journalists know the sort of questions that throw politicians off balance and spring them at unexpected moments. Skilled politicians know how to brush past those and stay on-message no matter what.
Trump's problem is less discipline - though he has none - it's a twofold issue of his 'never retreat, always attack' strategy, which makes him predictable, and that he lies so much it's impossible to keep his lies in order. Remember the massive article WaPo (I think it was WaPo, maybe the times?) did that just listed all of his lies? How could any man keep all of those in order and avoid contradicting himself?
Obama definitely told a few lies, but that's the key; only a few. He was by and large honest. And honesty's actually much easier as a strategy, because you're just telling the truth. Nothing to 'keep in line' there.
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On September 02 2018 18:10 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2018 17:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:On September 02 2018 09:29 KwarK wrote:On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote:
Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? This. Don't say things to a journalist that you don't want them to repeat. Hell, don't say things to anyone if you don't want them to repeat them. But especially not journalists. It's baffling that Trump doesn't know how to have thoughts and not say them. Honestly it'd probably be worth it to get him a deaf friend to talk to, just to help protect national security. Also I really don't get how the "dishonest media quoted me verbatim" line works. He's agreeing that he said it, whether or not a gentlemen's agreement existed between him and the journalist doesn't somehow make the Bloomberg reporting dishonest. The amount of stupid s... polticians tell journalists is always surprising especially if it’s about stuff they believe in. Just remember someone as supremely controlled as Obama saying that people were turning to guns and religion out of bitterness in the middle of his campaign. I think it’s harder than one think and takes a lot of discipline never to say something you shouldn’t to people you discuss with constantly. That Trump can’t do it for the life of him is really not surprising at all. Depends on how carefully you control who you talk to, and about what topics. Skilled journalists know the sort of questions that throw politicians off balance and spring them at unexpected moments. Skilled politicians know how to brush past those and stay on-message no matter what. Trump's problem is less discipline - though he has none - it's a twofold issue of his 'never retreat, always attack' strategy, which makes him predictable, and that he lies so much it's impossible to keep his lies in order. Remember the massive article WaPo (I think it was WaPo, maybe the times?) did that just listed all of his lies? How could any man keep all of those in order and avoid contradicting himself? Obama definitely told a few lies, but that's the key; only a few. He was by and large honest. And honesty's actually much easier as a strategy, because you're just telling the truth. Nothing to 'keep in line' there.
What I’m talking about is not lies, but truth you shouldn’t tell. Good communication is a lot about filtering very carefully what you say. Of course a large chunk of Trump supporters are deplorable, and of course Americans love of gun and cheap Jesus talks comes from an existential, national anxiety. But what a mistake to say it out loud.
My point is that it’s reaaaaaaaaally difficult not to let one of those opinions slip through from time to time. It requires a 24h, 7/7 vigilance that few people can achieve.
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I think Trump is bullshitting a lot more than he lies.
A bullshitter does not care about the truth, while the liar knows the truth and choses to say something else.
Trump usually throws out assumptions and observations, not bothering to check if they are true, but not conciously lying either.
The "about bullshit" book argues that the bullshitter is a larger threat to the truth than the liar.
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Trump knows what is true and what is false. He lies because no one has been able to hold him accountable for it.
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On September 04 2018 05:51 Slydie wrote:
I think Trump is bullshitting a lot more than he lies.
A bullshitter does not care about the truth, while the liar knows the truth and choses to say something else.
Trump usually throws out assumptions and observations, not bothering to check if they are true, but not conciously lying either.
The "about bullshit" book argues that the bullshitter is a larger threat to the truth than the liar.
He learned this from reality TV and the media.
And hell—the vast majority of fact checkers are just opinion journalism bullshit too. Quite a bit of media reporting on Trump is bullshit. They don’t really care if the story is true or false, they just have an anonymous source, and can blame them if anything goes wrong (the dreaded fake news phenomenon).
Trump doesn’t care if he’s really the cause of a booming economy. He’s just injecting himself in the discourse with that take loud enough and long enough to generate that perception. Democrats, media companies, and political activists don’t really care if this is a dangerous rise in fascism or most corrupt/criminal presidency ever, they just promote and inbibe the perception of it.
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On September 04 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 05:51 Slydie wrote:
I think Trump is bullshitting a lot more than he lies.
A bullshitter does not care about the truth, while the liar knows the truth and choses to say something else.
Trump usually throws out assumptions and observations, not bothering to check if they are true, but not conciously lying either.
The "about bullshit" book argues that the bullshitter is a larger threat to the truth than the liar. He learned this from reality TV and the media. And hell—the vast majority of fact checkers are just opinion journalism bullshit too. Quite a bit of media reporting on Trump is bullshit. They don’t really care if the story is true or false, they just have an anonymous source, and can blame them if anything goes wrong (the dreaded fake news phenomenon). Trump doesn’t care if he’s really the cause of a booming economy. He’s just injecting himself in the discourse with that take loud enough and long enough to generate that perception. Democrats, media companies, and political activists don’t really care if this is a dangerous rise in fascism or most corrupt/criminal presidency ever, they just promote and inbibe the perception of it.
The only "fake news phenomenon" comes overwhelmingly from the right.
And no, most fact checkers aren't opinionated bullshit. You just say that because your side of the isle is prone to compulsive lying and you can't bring yourself to own up to the shortcomings of your political party. Not that your cowardice is surprising.
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On September 04 2018 08:15 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:On September 04 2018 05:51 Slydie wrote:
I think Trump is bullshitting a lot more than he lies.
A bullshitter does not care about the truth, while the liar knows the truth and choses to say something else.
Trump usually throws out assumptions and observations, not bothering to check if they are true, but not conciously lying either.
The "about bullshit" book argues that the bullshitter is a larger threat to the truth than the liar. He learned this from reality TV and the media. And hell—the vast majority of fact checkers are just opinion journalism bullshit too. Quite a bit of media reporting on Trump is bullshit. They don’t really care if the story is true or false, they just have an anonymous source, and can blame them if anything goes wrong (the dreaded fake news phenomenon). Trump doesn’t care if he’s really the cause of a booming economy. He’s just injecting himself in the discourse with that take loud enough and long enough to generate that perception. Democrats, media companies, and political activists don’t really care if this is a dangerous rise in fascism or most corrupt/criminal presidency ever, they just promote and inbibe the perception of it. The only "fake news phenomenon" comes overwhelmingly from the right. And no, most fact checkers aren't opinionated bullshit. You just say that because your side of the isle is prone to compulsive lying and you can't bring yourself to own up to the shortcomings of your political party. Not that your cowardice is surprising.
That's the political divide in a nutshell. You think the fake news is overwhelmingly from the right, I think the fake news is staggeringly over-represented from the left.
You think I dislike the opinion journalism masquerading as fact check because I have to disguise my side's lying and shortcomings. I think you defend them out of ignorance, hyperpartisanship, and the damage done by your worldview and ideology on what otherwise might be rational analysis.
I won't waste much breath on this topic; I have a feeling everybody already knows the opposite contentions of media, fact-checkers, and Trump, and bringing it up again is unlikely to change anyone's minds. Many on my side thought a Trump victory would mean critical re-examination of what left-wing conventions led to his rise, but too many just chalked it up to racism and stupidity among his voters. It would take something cataclysmic on that order to repeat for another chance to break through.
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Media have a bias for sensationalism (because it sells) and a bias for capitalism (because they're big for-profit corporations). The rest is just noise. The media is actually way too kind to conservatives, as corporations benefit from the statu quo and are less threatened by the far right than by socialism.
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Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
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On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
the media knows that helps trump. Trump also helps the media. The media never actually tried to properly do what it would take to get rid of trump, they benefit from him FAR too much.
It's not that remarkable to get outsider cred; in america the voters like outsiders, so alot of politicians make a serious effort to cultivate an image of being an outsider.
Bernie has a lot of outsider cred and he's been in Congress for 28 years after all.
I don't see how any of it would qualify as "genius" it's all a bunch of standard well known tricks that come with massive costs.
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I love a good danglars-bashing, he's my favorite scarecrow ^.^
I remember one time I fell asleep reading 1 of these political threads, I dreamed of this ridiculous danglars caricature in stick-figure comic form
He slept in a bed of guns and used the cries of captured Mexican children as a morning alarm. His alarm clock escaped and ran away somewhere and he went after it
I can't continue cuz I don't wanna write and get misconstrued -- nor do I wanna start a blog lol. But anyways I'm a huge danglars fan, go go power danglars you filthy coward
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 04 2018 10:25 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
Of course they do Trump is big time ratings, whether it's late night talk shows, news channels, even news papers. There is never a slow news day. Always a Tweet to analyze. They may disagree with his politics but they all love what he is doing for their business.
The problem being that the president isn’t a job that benefits from being the center of the news cycle at all times. In fact, it’s a deterrent. But Trump doesn’t care, because his ego comes before country or doing the job well.
And Trump is now bashing the DOJ for bringing criminal charges against his allies, so Trump is just lashing out at the department that won’t do his bidding.
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Be careful on the 'won't do his bidding'. The boss punishes in retrospective so that future decisions are made in line with his preferences. These won't be the only elected GOPers with criminal charges. In future cases maybe the rank and file of the DOJ will remember today and obey the boss's wishes.
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On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
You're right in tone, but wrong on some major points.
Does it feel like he's in power? His own intelligence agencies are leaking against him, in some instances with illegally leaked classified intelligence. Some say it's because somehow the situation is extraordinary, but nobody in their right mind conceives of a federal bureaucracy that bent its knee to its new head. They're patriots and resisters, and he's the big ogre to be brought down.
Robert Mueller is heading an investigation filled with campaign donors and fans of his presidential competitor, taking down old campaign aides and hangers-on for offenses dating back decades before his run, but with breathless accounts of how the next revelation will be his undoing. The more vicious critics say he's already guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors meriting impeachment, the more tame at least hope the dems can cobble something together after the midterm that will win popular support.
He ran as an outsider to the party ostensibly giving it's name to his presidency. Every main campaign stop heralded a "Down with the System" at the GOP. Enough legislators oppose his every move, from repeal of Obamacare, to budgets, to the border wall, to foreign policy objectives. He's popular with the rank and file, for sure, but he's still an outsider to the elected hierarchy.
Even commonplace circuit judges try their hand at foreign policy by opposing his executive orders, applying the logic that some presidents may enact orders by their own signature which others, by that same signature, may not undo. He's won victories at the highest court in the land, only to be stopped by relative nobodies with circuitous opinions trashing separation of powers in favor of discretion of judges.
It's rather easy to play his part in this situation. He's wrong on many counts in his personal accusations of media bias, but the media consumer sees its hostility to reporting fairly on the president's actions, nonetheless.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
The media can't help itself. It can't report on bad actions without jumping to "unprecedented" or "racist" or "fascist." He's too much of a thorn in their hides. They can't own up to their own errors, for fear of giving ammo to the 'fake news' charges. I gave a very salient recent example of the type in this link, which led to the usual cries that it wasn't the left, or it didn't matter because Trump is so bad.
I really think he'll have to be helped along by hysteria and hot takes to win re-election.
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On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
It might blow your mind but corporate media by large loves Trump because he generates ratings and his administration obviously engages in quid pro quo arrangements with regards to Whitehouse leaks. It’s not like it’s a hidden secret, that’s practically what MSNBC’s CEO said. From a ratings and profit standpoint, there is absolutely no reason for corporate media not to help Trump.
That’s why it’s funny to see Danglars whine about leaks as if it’s the DEEP STATE trying to sink Trump. No, the majority of leaks are from the Whitehouse who are providing access journalists like Joe Scarborough (who obviously lost access) and Maggie Haberman with stories to write in exchange for massaged messaging. Maggie ain’t batting for SHS and pretending Maybelline never existed if she didn’t have a book to sell. They’re vultures there to make a buck.
Like, if they really wanted Clinton to win they wouldn’t have spent every single hour talking about emails. But that’s exactly what they did.
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On September 04 2018 11:17 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power. You're right in tone, but wrong on some major points. Does it feel like he's in power? His own intelligence agencies are leaking against him, in some instances with illegally leaked classified intelligence. Some say it's because somehow the situation is extraordinary, but nobody in their right mind conceives of a federal bureaucracy that bent its knee to its new head. They're patriots and resisters, and he's the big ogre to be brought down. Robert Mueller is heading an investigation filled with campaign donors and fans of his presidential competitor, taking down old campaign aides and hangers-on for offenses dating back decades before his run, but with breathless accounts of how the next revelation will be his undoing. The more vicious critics say he's already guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors meriting impeachment, the more tame at least hope the dems can cobble something together after the midterm that will win popular support. He ran as an outsider to the party ostensibly giving it's name to his presidency. Every main campaign stop heralded a "Down with the System" at the GOP. Enough legislators oppose his every move, from repeal of Obamacare, to budgets, to the border wall, to foreign policy objectives. He's popular with the rank and file, for sure, but he's still an outsider to the elected hierarchy. Even commonplace circuit judges try their hand at foreign policy by opposing his executive orders, applying the logic that some presidents may enact orders by their own signature which others, by that same signature, may not undo. He's won victories at the highest court in the land, only to be stopped by relative nobodies with circuitous opinions trashing separation of powers in favor of discretion of judges. It's rather easy to play his part in this situation. He's wrong on many counts in his personal accusations of media bias, but the media consumer sees its hostility to reporting fairly on the president's actions, nonetheless. Show nested quote +Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
The media can't help itself. It can't report on bad actions without jumping to "unprecedented" or "racist" or "fascist." He's too much of a thorn in their hides. They can't own up to their own errors, for fear of giving ammo to the 'fake news' charges. I gave a very salient recent example of the type in this link, which led to the usual cries that it wasn't the left, or it didn't matter because Trump is so bad.I really think he'll have to be helped along by hysteria and hot takes to win re-election.
The whole “I’m and outsider, down with the system of elites” is just an excuse to undermine anyone who can hold him or his associates accountable. He whines about leaks, anyone who reads about Washington knows the leaks are coming from inside the administration.
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On September 04 2018 11:31 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
It might blow your mind but corporate media by large loves Trump because he generates ratings and his administration obviously engages in quid pro quo arrangements with regards to Whitehouse leaks. It’s not like it’s a hidden secret, that’s practically what MSNBC’s CEO said. From a ratings and profit standpoint, there is absolutely no reason for corporate media not to help Trump. That’s why it’s funny to see Danglars whine about leaks as if it’s the DEEP STATE trying to sink Trump. No, the majority of leaks are from the Whitehouse who are providing access journalists like Joe Scarborough (who obviously lost access) and Maggie Haberman with stories to write in exchange for massaged messaging. Maggie ain’t batting for SHS and pretending Maybelline never existed if she didn’t have a book to sell. They’re vultures there to make a buck. Like, if they really wanted Clinton to win they wouldn’t have spent every single hour talking about emails. But that’s exactly what they did.
I don't really see how trump generates ratings. Media as a whole can only benefit if trump makes people watch more media,which I doubt is the case. Maybe we are even at the point where trump doesn't generate ratings anymore. When I turn on cnn and I see something about trump I switch channel. Only when there is something truly interesting I will watch. Do people in usa watch trump in the media all the time? I sincerely doubt it,the "deplorables" probably don't watch any political show on cable tv,rather watch breaking bad or some other serie.
The medias behavior is explained by "it is good for their ratings" all the time but everyone now says this without even thinking about it if it is true. When i start to think about it,then I don't see how it is true anymore. Maybe it was true for the first 3 months after the elections,but not anymore. Its all numb now.
In the end I think trump does not effect ratings at all. There are not more people watching cnn or any other channel then before trump. Are more people now reading the Washington post then before? probably not.
Maybe I am wrong with this,i see from danglers point I am wrong about some things in my previous post as well.
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