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JimmiC
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
In remarks Trump wanted to be “off the record,” Trump told Bloomberg News reporters on Thursday, according to a source, that he is not making any compromises at all in the talks with Canada — but that he cannot say this publicly because “it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal.” Essentially, the gist of this is that in an "off the record" interview with bloomberg, Trump admitted he's trying to torpedo the negotiations with Canada as far as NAFTA goes by refusing to compromise, and negotiating in bad faith. Really, NAFTA needed some updates, but it was working fairly well for most industries. Hopefully Canada just walks away. I doubt we'll get any semblance of a win-win, it's more likely that Canada receives an ultimatum from the states going by this report. I think the Canadian consensus is to say fuck Trump, walk away if it's not mutually beneficial. It depends on if the negotiators are on the same page as Trump, but it's fairly likely that there's no intention to make this be something which can work before the midterms in the states. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
Worst case you tough it out until Trump is gone and deal with his successor. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Canada should just walk. What is Trump going to do, not undo NAFTA because that requires an act of congress? Murder the auto industry by slapping tariffs on cars made outside of the US? | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On September 01 2018 03:54 Plansix wrote: Apparently someone forgot to tell Trump the reporter has to agree for something to be off the record. You can’t just say something is off the record and then keep talking. Canada should just walk. What is Trump going to do, not undo NAFTA because that requires an act of congress? Murder the auto industry by slapping tariffs on cars made outside of the US? Ford just got their credit rating downgraded by Moody's to Baa3, it's one step above junk. If he puts on tariffs, Ford's probably going to need a bailout. The aluminum/steel tariffs were already absolutely retarded, so I guess he could pull the threat to national security thing again. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 01 2018 03:48 Lmui wrote: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/31/bombshell-leak-to-toronto-star-upends-nafta-talks-in-secret-so-insulting-remarks-trump-says-he-isnt-compromising-at-all-with-canada.html Essentially, the gist of this is that in an "off the record" interview with bloomberg, Trump admitted he's trying to torpedo the negotiations with Canada as far as NAFTA goes by refusing to compromise, and negotiating in bad faith. Really, NAFTA needed some updates, but it was working fairly well for most industries. Hopefully Canada just walks away. I doubt we'll get any semblance of a win-win, it's more likely that Canada receives an ultimatum from the states going by this report. I think the Canadian consensus is to say fuck Trump, walk away if it's not mutually beneficial. It depends on if the negotiators are on the same page as Trump, but it's fairly likely that there's no intention to make this be something which can work before the midterms in the states. Uh oh.. wonder if trade talks have completely broken down. Next step, an escalation of the trade war? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote: Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? yes, yes he does.He adores it when he gets to feel important and in control of other people. He is a massive narcissist after all. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote: Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? I'd like to think it was done deliberately to gauge Trudeau and the Canadian negotiation team's reactions publicly, or force an issue. Trump should know by now that he runs a very leaky ship where even his most loyal bulldogs and inner circle have a penchant for venting to the press. Hell, there's even speculation he is the source of some leaks. Leaks are an occupational hazard in politics, no matter how secure you believe the words "off the record" are, or your faith in journalistic integrity. I doubt Bloomberg News will be too affected, unless Trump boycotts them or something. "Wow, I made OFF THE RECORD COMMENTS to Bloomberg concerning Canada, and this powerful understanding was BLATANTLY VIOLATED. Oh well, just more dishonest reporting. I am used to it. At least Canada knows where I stand!" It is a funny situation though, because technically Bloomberg didn't break any gentleman's agreement here by passing it over to the Toronto Star. Not like ToStar had the promise to keep things off the record. Maybe not the nicest thing to do, but what do you expect babbling off to a reporter? Assume nothing is sacred when in politics. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Journalist any major news outlet have ethical guidelines they follow when it comes to agreements for information. Anytime someone talks to a journalist about what they know, they work out how they will be quoted and named or not named in the article. It could be for “background” providing foundation for a story, like details of some regulations, or an un-named quote. Both sides agree to this and then they talk. If someone wants to be “off the record” with a reporter, it works the same way. Both sides have to agree and they have to agree beforehand. If you blab to a reporter and then say “that was off the record”, then to bad. If it is agreed to beforehand, most real reporters wouldn’t leak it. If a reporter breaks the agreement, their publication might have something so about it because that hurts its reporter’s ability to do their job down the line. If course, none of that would make headlines we see. I doubt anyone a Bloomberg would be brazen enough to break an off the record agreement with the President of the United States, even Trump. The more likely scenario is that Trump just said it as off the record and assumed the Bloomberg would just do it because he is the president. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 01 2018 04:17 Excludos wrote: Why would a president (or anyone, really) admit to anything to a journalist that he doesn't leaked out, "off the record" or not? Does he get a hardon by sharing his secrets with random people? What did he think he would gain from doing this? Admiration from a single journalist..? possibilities: 1. some people are just idiots and do dumb things. 2. they actually want it to leak 3. when you do a whole lot of talking it's possible to just say stuff you didn't mean to 4. building trust with the journalist 5. lack of skill in keeping things secret 6. liking to brag | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 01 2018 05:18 farvacola wrote: Given that Trump's polling seems to be tanking, I don't think his attacks on the media are doing him any favors I saw that today. The poll numbers showing support for Sessions really shows how Trump’s tactics are starting to fail him. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 01 2018 05:18 farvacola wrote: Given that Trump's polling seems to be tanking, I don't think his attacks on the media are doing him any favors Trump wouldnt know that. We know that he receives a daily report specifically full of only positive news, including polls favorable to him. Also, he likely also genuinely believes the negative polls are fake news. I expect him to continue the attack up until the day he is thrown out of office. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On September 01 2018 05:12 JimmiC wrote: I dont see it. Canada now has a valid reason to back off.Yes this sounds like a win/win for him. He gets to to look like a super tough won't bend negotiator and gets to fuel the "media is against him" story line. If his team did not leak it themselves, they sure as hell are taking advantage of the situation and turning it into a win. Canada is not going to back out of a trade deal simply because Trump made a comment like this, we are used to comments like this. Before he could have gone with the line that Canada was not willing to accommodate US interests and use that to rile up his base. | ||
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