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Not sure where you're posting from pmh, but the US has these things called 24 hour news networks. Which are obviously TV stations dedicated solely to airing news every hour of every day.
Most of the time they are complete wastes of network space because there isn't enough interesting news to carry 8,760 hours every single year, so if you tune in once every week for 10 minutes you've probably got the gist of what they'll be talking about endlessly for the next several days.
With Trump around, there's something happening every day that can be milked for a full 24 hours, until he wakes up and does something new.
It's sort of like Soap Operas, really. To most people they are the dumbest thing in existence. For a select demographic that has the time to watch those never-ending day-time shows, having something brand new to report means you'll capture more of that viewership regularly.
Same goes for internet news sites, Youtube demagogues, what have you. Locking in an existing demographic is more important than capturing a wider audience.
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On September 04 2018 17:02 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 11:31 Womwomwom wrote:On September 04 2018 10:19 pmh wrote:
Trump is a genius in playing the media. There was discussion tonight on Belgium tv about how trump is a genius.
Trump has this image of being the outsider,the one who will drain the swamp,not part of the political incrowd of Washington,a fighter for the man in the street,a rebel even if you want to go that far.
But the funny thing is,he has this image while he is in power. It never occurred to me how remarkable that is. Despite being in power he still has that image that made many people vote for him. How he keeps this image despite being the one in control? The answer they gave was "the media" and I start to think they have a point. Every attack from mainstream media on trump fortifies his outsider image,an image that greatly did help contribute to his election. And it is the media who help trump in keeping that image despite being in power.
Next election he can probably still run on being an outsider and "draining the swamp" lol because thx to the media a big part of the public will still see him as the outsider.
Trump knows this and that is why he is fighting with the media all the time,feeding them and playing them.
Does the media realize they only help trump? As soon as the media will begin petting trump he will no longer be the outsider,he will be held accountable for his actions as an insider who is in control.
It might blow your mind but corporate media by large loves Trump because he generates ratings and his administration obviously engages in quid pro quo arrangements with regards to Whitehouse leaks. It’s not like it’s a hidden secret, that’s practically what MSNBC’s CEO said. From a ratings and profit standpoint, there is absolutely no reason for corporate media not to help Trump. That’s why it’s funny to see Danglars whine about leaks as if it’s the DEEP STATE trying to sink Trump. No, the majority of leaks are from the Whitehouse who are providing access journalists like Joe Scarborough (who obviously lost access) and Maggie Haberman with stories to write in exchange for massaged messaging. Maggie ain’t batting for SHS and pretending Maybelline never existed if she didn’t have a book to sell. They’re vultures there to make a buck. Like, if they really wanted Clinton to win they wouldn’t have spent every single hour talking about emails. But that’s exactly what they did. I don't really see how trump generates ratings. Media as a whole can only benefit if trump makes people watch more media,which I doubt is the case. Maybe we are even at the point where trump doesn't generate ratings anymore. When I turn on cnn and I see something about trump I switch channel. Only when there is something truly interesting I will watch. Do people in usa watch trump in the media all the time? I sincerely doubt it,the "deplorables" probably don't watch any political show on cable tv,rather watch breaking bad or some other serie.
The Failing New York Times increased profit by some 66% off the backs of digital subscribers.
All three major cable news networks - MSNBC, CNN, Fox News - are seeing huge spikes in ad revenue due to flagship news programmes being able to charge more per ad spot.
Corporate media is making money hand over fist. There's so much bullshit happening every day that its impossible for newsrooms to not have content.
The medias behavior is explained by "it is good for their ratings" all the time but everyone now says this without even thinking about it if it is true. When i start to think about it,then I don't see how it is true anymore. Maybe it was true for the first 3 months after the elections,but not anymore. Its all numb now.
In the end I think trump does not effect ratings at all. There are not more people watching cnn or any other channel then before trump. Are more people now reading the Washington post then before? probably not.
Maybe I am wrong with this,i see from danglers point I am wrong about some things in my previous post as well.
Trump absolutely affects ratings. Do you think Stephen Colbert or Rachel Maddow would be doing so well without Trump? It is no coincidence that Colbert is slowly overtaking Fallon. From memory, Fallon is losing ground to all major late night TV talk shows and the only major difference between him and the rest of them is that he refuses to talk about politics.
And while the Washington Post is generally more cagey about their subscription numbers, unlike the New York Times, everything would suggest that more people are subscribing seeing they're shouting that 1 million figure which they'd normally never do.
It might be all numb but the milking of Trump's antics from corporate media isn't stopping because enough Americans are still watching.
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On September 04 2018 17:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Not sure where you're posting from pmh, but the US has these things called 24 hour news networks. Which are obviously TV stations dedicated solely to airing news every hour of every day.
Most of the time they are complete wastes of network space because there isn't enough interesting news to carry 8,760 hours every single year, so if you tune in once every week for 10 minutes you've probably got the gist of what they'll be talking about endlessly for the next several days.
With Trump around, there's something happening every day that can be milked for a full 24 hours, until he wakes up and does something new.
It's sort of like Soap Operas, really. To most people they are the dumbest thing in existence. For a select demographic that has the time to watch those never-ending day-time shows, having something brand new to report means you'll capture more of that viewership regularly.
Same goes for internet news sites, Youtube demagogues, what have you. Locking in an existing demographic is more important than capturing a wider audience.
One of the things I have been noticing in the last year is the rise of people I am 100% sure get their news exclusively from Youtube or other non traditional sources. They are very open about it, almost challenging. I have a gowning concern these “news” sources, not because the people I have spoken with seem to be functioning in an alternative reality, more that they are encouraged to "not trust the media'. Which is a fine viewpoint on its own so long as the person isn’t also watching a source of media telling them to distrust all other types of media.
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Kavanaugh questioning is going fucking nuts, people are talking out of turn, and questioning everything. There are people shouting, and getting kicked out. It's really hectic.
So Brett's documents apparently have "executive privileges" before they even entered the room, which the President never said anything about. So the "minority" as Grassley says, can't ever see the documents before the interview....
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On September 04 2018 22:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Kavanaugh questioning is going fucking nuts, people are talking out of turn, and questioning everything. There are people shouting, and getting kicked out. It's really hectic.
The idea that you can withhold 100k documents and still get a guy on the SC is testament to how bad things have gotten
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The White House withheld like 100,000 pages of his legal writings, so I don’t expect this hearing to be anything but bedlam. There is no reason to let it go smoothly for Democrats, they get nothing out of being helpful to Republicans and politics is a zero sum game right now.
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I can't stand Grassley right now. This guy is talking about private institutions, while Kavanuagh was a public member for 12 years... How can you block the documents...
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On September 04 2018 22:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I can't stand Grassley right now. This guy is talking about private institutions, while Kavanuagh was a public member for 12 years... How can you block the documents...
There is only one reason to hide documents. It is because they look bad. If he was writing things that are not controversial they would be released
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On September 04 2018 22:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I can't stand Grassley right now. This guy is talking about private institutions, while Kavanuagh was a public member for 12 years... How can you block the documents...
You know you have the votes to confirm him and don’t give a shit about the hearings because the money people behind your party want control of the highest court. These hearings are theater and the minority isn’t playing their part any more.
Edit: Grassley, powerless to stop the Democrats interrupting him is threatening to hold hearings into the weekend. A move that would be unpopular in his own party along with annoying the Democrats.
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Is there anything the Democrats can do to stop the confirmation of Kavanaugh (or at least delay it until after the elections where they could take over the House)?
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All they can do is make it as ugly as possible to try and get their base riled up for Nov. Sad it has come to this. Grassley is an embarrassment.
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Other than sway Republicans on the edge, Democrats have no options really.
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Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms.
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Not much. They are not in power and the Republicans have the votes to confirm him. The Democrats would need to hold on to every one of their votes and 1 or 2 Republican senators would need to flip. It is all but assured that he will be on the bench.
Long term, this type of confirmation process is going to do real damage to the court. This is one of the most contested nominations in modern history and I doubt people are going to forget it once the rulings come down. Kavanaugh is also one of the least popular nominees by a wide margin, likely because the country does not like one party controlling any breach of government for decades at time. The Republican Senators are playing with fire and I don’t even think some of them realize it.
On September 04 2018 23:16 Danglars wrote:
Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms.
The hearing was political theater to begin with. The Republicans are going to confirm him. They have the power, they plan to use it because it might be taken away soon. As I said before, the Democrats have stopped the delusion that there are rules to this game and are now just trying to upstage the Republicans. Welcome to the future of politics for the next 20 years.
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On September 04 2018 23:16 Danglars wrote:
Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms. Ignoring all the political theater do you think it is proper to withhold 120k documents concerning the person to be appointed for life to the highest legal office in the country?
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On September 04 2018 23:18 Plansix wrote:
Not much. They are not in power and the Republicans have the votes to confirm him. The Democrats would need to hold on to every one of their votes and 1 or 2 Republican senators would need to flip. It is all but assured that he will be on the bench.
Long term, this type of confirmation process is going to do real damage to the court. This is one of the most contested nominations in modern history and I doubt people are going to forget it once the rulings come down. Kavanaugh is also one of the least popular nominees by a wide margin, likely because the country does not like one party controlling any breach of government for decades at time. The Republican Senators are playing with fire and I don’t even think some of them realize it. They know, they just don't give a shit because they are the ones winning and by the time the Courts might flip the other side they will be long gone from politics.
Party before Country, victory at any cost.
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On September 04 2018 23:18 Plansix wrote:Not much. They are not in power and the Republicans have the votes to confirm him. The Democrats would need to hold on to every one of their votes and 1 or 2 Republican senators would need to flip. It is all but assured that he will be on the bench. Long term, this type of confirmation process is going to do real damage to the court. This is one of the most contested nominations in modern history and I doubt people are going to forget it once the rulings come down. Kavanaugh is also one of the least popular nominees by a wide margin, likely because the country does not like one party controlling any breach of government for decades at time. The Republican Senators are playing with fire and I don’t even think some of them realize it. Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 23:16 Danglars wrote:
Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms. The hearing was political theater to begin with. The Republicans are going to confirm him. As I said before, the Democrats have stopped the delusion that there are rules to this game and are now just trying to upstage the Republicans. Welcome to the future of politics for the next 20 years.
The hearing is standard norms, which if I knew your stance prior, should still continue despite Donald J Trump occupying the White House. Now, I’m hearing that they’re political theatre. We should just have no hearings and a confirmation vote then? This makes no sense.
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On September 04 2018 23:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 23:16 Danglars wrote:
Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms. Ignoring all the political theater do you think it is proper to withhold 120k documents concerning the person to be appointed for life to the highest legal office in the country?
You do know why they’re being withheld, right? Maybe if he previously advised Obama instead of a Republican, you would rediscover neutral objections that the president should be able to receive legal and policy advice confidentially without the fear of the giver later being dragged through the public eye and changing his advice based on how the public might interpret it.
Kavanaugh is largely incidental to this circus. He will be confirmed. This is just Democrats riling up their base and upping their #Resistance profile. Maybe Republicans will see this stupid circus act and show up to the midterms.
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On September 04 2018 23:23 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 23:18 Plansix wrote:Not much. They are not in power and the Republicans have the votes to confirm him. The Democrats would need to hold on to every one of their votes and 1 or 2 Republican senators would need to flip. It is all but assured that he will be on the bench. Long term, this type of confirmation process is going to do real damage to the court. This is one of the most contested nominations in modern history and I doubt people are going to forget it once the rulings come down. Kavanaugh is also one of the least popular nominees by a wide margin, likely because the country does not like one party controlling any breach of government for decades at time. The Republican Senators are playing with fire and I don’t even think some of them realize it. On September 04 2018 23:16 Danglars wrote:
Lol this hearing is great political theatre. Lots of face time for 2020 hopefuls.
No opening statement for Grassley without two interjections. Decorum be damned, this is Trump rules, and everybody knows that the proper response to Trump is playing up “resistance acting” for the cameras.
There’s nothing that you can do but laugh. And yeah they’ll blame Trump and documents and the rest, but watch the tape. The subtext is saying “Trump made me do this” because he’s broken norms. The hearing was political theater to begin with. The Republicans are going to confirm him. As I said before, the Democrats have stopped the delusion that there are rules to this game and are now just trying to upstage the Republicans. Welcome to the future of politics for the next 20 years. The hearing is standard norms, which if I knew your stance prior, should still continue despite Donald J Trump occupying the White House. Now, I’m hearing that they’re political theatre. We should just have no hearings and a confirmation vote then? This makes no sense.
Do the hearings matter? Are they going to make a difference? Or is it just for the sake of norms?
They withheld 100k documents related to the guy they are going to confirm. It's not like a hearing is needed if they are going to only look at part of his record. Might as well go this is our guy and vote at this point
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