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On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls.
Genuinely, what else would you all do?
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United States43808 Posts
Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today.
The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well.VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST
As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran.I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD
For context he said this about 40 hours earlierIf Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST
The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the StraitIts position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed
Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says:We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader)
The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place.
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Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity.
On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Genuinely, what else would you all do?
We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while.
I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls.
As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing!
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On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Genuinely, what else would you all do?
Yes, let’s back to the real talk about why everyone but you is complicit in genocide.
Genuinely, would you mind explaining why Europeans, Canadians and other non Americans are complicit in genocide? And you a tax paying American, who contributes to the American economy is not? Is all I have to do to be guilt free is make condescending posts to other users on TL and vaguely suggest socialism will solve all the problems with never directly engaging on how?
Also, if you could stop mocking and gawking at lightspectra it would be appreciated, it’s not very productive.
On March 24 2026 00:45 KwarK wrote:Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today. The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well. Show nested quote +VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran. Show nested quote +I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD For context he said this about 40 hours earlier Show nested quote +If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the Strait Show nested quote +Its position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says: Show nested quote +We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader) The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place.
It is silly to trust Trump on twitter , even if the market does. The only true way we will know when the war is done is when a MAGA related user name (or multiple ones) makes a six figure bet on poly market that it is over.
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On March 20 2026 17:03 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2026 09:30 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 20 2026 07:14 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:01 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:00 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 05:38 dyhb wrote:On March 20 2026 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 20 2026 05:09 dyhb wrote:
A Japanese reporter asks, simplifying some dialogue here, "Why didn't you tell US allies, like Europe and Japan, about the war?"
"We didn't tell anyone about it, because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?"
I guess it depends on your sense of humor whether you think it's a funny joke or not, or whether you think it's a joke in bad taste and choose not to laugh, or if in fact funny jokes do require a backdrop that isn't the chief architect of the American descent into fascism, the fragmentation of old alliances, and war in the middle east. If you can lay aside the setting for the joke and "state of the world" bit, I don't know if it cracks Trump's top five jokes. It was a little too obvious of a crack to make. It's a Mean Girls style power play joke that bullies make. You invite someone over, joke about something that is a sensitive subject for them, then laugh in their face when they don't call you out on it. For bullies getting away with making the joke is why it feels good, it's at someone else's expense and they just sat there and took it. Nothing is more funny than humiliating a friend. You can tell it's a bully joke and not a funny joke from the way it landed. Trump's group of cheerleading weasels smirked and laughed while the Japanese delegation remained entirely stoic. This is how soft power dies. Yeah, I tried to detail how some people believe a joke can't be funny because of the setting, or the surrounding world of the person making it, but I think you've ultimately done a better job than me in explaining that. We can do all the throat clearing about insensitive jokes and what should and shouldn't be done in diplomacy and this isn't how a world leader should talk. If you really want it. Feels almost rote at this point, given the consistency. We're coming up on the 11th year anniversary for "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." So 11 years of typing the obvious. As always, communication is a two way street. The recipient is part of the conversation. If they feel insulted (even if you didn't mean to insult them) you failed in communication. Do it often enough and people don't want to talk to you. Most people do a mistake here or there and that is forgiven if you simply apologize for it or simply don't do it more than a few times in total. As always the problem with Trump is that he doesn't even realize he made a mistake. Thus he cannot learn from it and will repeat it again. Is it a mistake if you did it on purpose. Depends on the outcome you want. If you want Japan to help you with Iran it is clearly a mistake. If you want Japan to tell your other allies that Iran is a bad deal and stay out, it isn't a mistake. It’s already too late to get allies to help you out in a collision of the willing because Trump and this administration doesn’t believe in even bothering to try manufacturing consent. Like this administration believes in zero sum everything. They believe nations will come help solve this issue because the world economy is cooked if it isn’t resolved and the US believes it js better positioned than other countries to absorb the blow. So I don’t think this administration believes it’s made a mistake or has really made a mistake in the context of their belief system because the only thing this administration believes in is in forcefully coercing people to indulge in their zero sum world view. From my point of view the issue is resolving itself slowly already. Iran is taking full control of the strait and will put up restrictions on which nations that can send ships through. So the global issues will resolve themselves with or without supporting the US vs Iran based on current trends. I'm not sure this is so much resolution, as 'neither actually involved sides see much viability of reaching resolution' so everyone else is trying to find ways around the problem so the world economy can keep chugging along (since they sure as hell can't actually resolve it). And Iran is just reasonable enough to come to agreements with some third parties (probably because 'everyone else' involves some of their allies). I'm not sure if this will do anything to actually end the fighting, Iran won't just let all the ships through, because this is their primary leverage towards no longer getting bombed. And even the rest of the world combined can't pressure the US/Israel into meeting Iranian demands. While the US/Israel can just lose interest/stop bombing Iran, I don't think Iran will trust that it's not just a short reload then they are back in a few months/years again. I don't envision a world where Israel doesn't actually just come back after a short reload, dragging the US back in. So either ground troops actually go in, or somehow the US pressures other countries into some kind of reparations/rebuild package for Iran (the US is sure as hell not going to pay Iran reparations). Or there needs to be at least a change in attitude on the side of the US, eg telling Israel, 'Next time you bomb them you are on your own'. In which case the fight sort of fizzles out, and Iran eventually believes it's not just a short break to restock munitions. None of these options look particularly likely. Either that or Trump gets either China or his russian friends to agree to help Iran rebuild in lieu of actual reparations. They might accept it because it basically guarantees their influence in the region for the forseeable future, and Trump might accept it because compared to not having to deal with either a disastrous ground campaign in Iran or a humiliating meeting of actual Iranian terms probably outweighs actual US geopolitical interest every time. Even there I don't think Russia is even in an economic state to help, and China might just not be that interested in cleaning up a US mess. Well Iran - US relations are dead unless there is a regime change in Iran. Which currently seems unlikely as the US public doesn't want boots on the ground and there is an election soon. Though the US is putting enough marines into the area to be able to do it if they want to. I basically see it as Iran will let Chinese, Indian etc ships through. Ships that are not from those nations will instead move to other trade regions, causing a local monopoly on ship capacity. They can then start charging ships passing through similar to Seuz or Panama canals and things stabilize. It seems to be acceptable to the US as well since they prioritize global trade over crippling Iran (as Iranian oil exports are up since the start of the war). The US is also seriously discussing stopping sanctions on Iranian oil to keep prices down, same as they did for Russian oil. (If I am from a European country bordering Russia I would be furious at that removal of sanctions.)
So seems they are trying to leverage their control of the strait into switching from the US dollar to the Yuan for oil trade. That is actually more dangerous to the US than a few nukes in Iran. (Also seems to be old news, I just missed it a few days ago.)
The other topic I replied to. The UK is now allowing US to use their bases. I still think they would have allowed this if they had time to consider it and got some small concession for it.
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On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing!
I engaged fine with the AI discussion.
But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know".
It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls.
I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside.
In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls?
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On March 24 2026 00:45 KwarK wrote:Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today. The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well. Show nested quote +VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran. Show nested quote +I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD For context he said this about 40 hours earlier Show nested quote +If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the Strait Show nested quote +Its position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says: Show nested quote +We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader) The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place.
The Iranian diplomat he was talking to goes to school in Canada, you wouldn't know her.
On March 24 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing! I engaged fine with the AI discussion. But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know". It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls. I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside. In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [ mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls?
How many times have you copy/pasted this exact block of text complaining about unproductive repetitiveness in this thread?
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Northern Ireland26499 Posts
On March 24 2026 01:11 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2026 17:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 09:30 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 20 2026 07:14 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:01 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:00 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 05:38 dyhb wrote:On March 20 2026 05:15 KwarK wrote:
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It's a Mean Girls style power play joke that bullies make. You invite someone over, joke about something that is a sensitive subject for them, then laugh in their face when they don't call you out on it. For bullies getting away with making the joke is why it feels good, it's at someone else's expense and they just sat there and took it. Nothing is more funny than humiliating a friend.
You can tell it's a bully joke and not a funny joke from the way it landed. Trump's group of cheerleading weasels smirked and laughed while the Japanese delegation remained entirely stoic.
This is how soft power dies. Yeah, I tried to detail how some people believe a joke can't be funny because of the setting, or the surrounding world of the person making it, but I think you've ultimately done a better job than me in explaining that. We can do all the throat clearing about insensitive jokes and what should and shouldn't be done in diplomacy and this isn't how a world leader should talk. If you really want it. Feels almost rote at this point, given the consistency. We're coming up on the 11th year anniversary for "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." So 11 years of typing the obvious. As always, communication is a two way street. The recipient is part of the conversation. If they feel insulted (even if you didn't mean to insult them) you failed in communication. Do it often enough and people don't want to talk to you. Most people do a mistake here or there and that is forgiven if you simply apologize for it or simply don't do it more than a few times in total. As always the problem with Trump is that he doesn't even realize he made a mistake. Thus he cannot learn from it and will repeat it again. Is it a mistake if you did it on purpose. Depends on the outcome you want. If you want Japan to help you with Iran it is clearly a mistake. If you want Japan to tell your other allies that Iran is a bad deal and stay out, it isn't a mistake. It’s already too late to get allies to help you out in a collision of the willing because Trump and this administration doesn’t believe in even bothering to try manufacturing consent. Like this administration believes in zero sum everything. They believe nations will come help solve this issue because the world economy is cooked if it isn’t resolved and the US believes it js better positioned than other countries to absorb the blow. So I don’t think this administration believes it’s made a mistake or has really made a mistake in the context of their belief system because the only thing this administration believes in is in forcefully coercing people to indulge in their zero sum world view. From my point of view the issue is resolving itself slowly already. Iran is taking full control of the strait and will put up restrictions on which nations that can send ships through. So the global issues will resolve themselves with or without supporting the US vs Iran based on current trends. I'm not sure this is so much resolution, as 'neither actually involved sides see much viability of reaching resolution' so everyone else is trying to find ways around the problem so the world economy can keep chugging along (since they sure as hell can't actually resolve it). And Iran is just reasonable enough to come to agreements with some third parties (probably because 'everyone else' involves some of their allies). I'm not sure if this will do anything to actually end the fighting, Iran won't just let all the ships through, because this is their primary leverage towards no longer getting bombed. And even the rest of the world combined can't pressure the US/Israel into meeting Iranian demands. While the US/Israel can just lose interest/stop bombing Iran, I don't think Iran will trust that it's not just a short reload then they are back in a few months/years again. I don't envision a world where Israel doesn't actually just come back after a short reload, dragging the US back in. So either ground troops actually go in, or somehow the US pressures other countries into some kind of reparations/rebuild package for Iran (the US is sure as hell not going to pay Iran reparations). Or there needs to be at least a change in attitude on the side of the US, eg telling Israel, 'Next time you bomb them you are on your own'. In which case the fight sort of fizzles out, and Iran eventually believes it's not just a short break to restock munitions. None of these options look particularly likely. Either that or Trump gets either China or his russian friends to agree to help Iran rebuild in lieu of actual reparations. They might accept it because it basically guarantees their influence in the region for the forseeable future, and Trump might accept it because compared to not having to deal with either a disastrous ground campaign in Iran or a humiliating meeting of actual Iranian terms probably outweighs actual US geopolitical interest every time. Even there I don't think Russia is even in an economic state to help, and China might just not be that interested in cleaning up a US mess. Well Iran - US relations are dead unless there is a regime change in Iran. Which currently seems unlikely as the US public doesn't want boots on the ground and there is an election soon. Though the US is putting enough marines into the area to be able to do it if they want to. I basically see it as Iran will let Chinese, Indian etc ships through. Ships that are not from those nations will instead move to other trade regions, causing a local monopoly on ship capacity. They can then start charging ships passing through similar to Seuz or Panama canals and things stabilize. It seems to be acceptable to the US as well since they prioritize global trade over crippling Iran (as Iranian oil exports are up since the start of the war). The US is also seriously discussing stopping sanctions on Iranian oil to keep prices down, same as they did for Russian oil. (If I am from a European country bordering Russia I would be furious at that removal of sanctions.) So seems they are trying to leverage their control of the strait into switching from the US dollar to the Yuan for oil trade. That is actually more dangerous to the US than a few nukes in Iran. (Also seems to be old news, I just missed it a few days ago.) The other topic I replied to. The UK is now allowing US to use their bases. I still think they would have allowed this if they had time to consider it and got some small concession for it.
I’d preferred if we hadn’t done that, but I can see why.
Quicker this fiasco is done, the better. Least if you’re this Labour government. They’re already not exactly popular domestically, if the economy goes to shit they’re probably toast. Even if it’s quite clearly not their fault, I’m already hearing grumblings.
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Australia1249 Posts
On March 24 2026 01:11 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2026 17:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 09:30 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 20 2026 07:14 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:01 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:00 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 05:38 dyhb wrote:On March 20 2026 05:15 KwarK wrote:
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It's a Mean Girls style power play joke that bullies make. You invite someone over, joke about something that is a sensitive subject for them, then laugh in their face when they don't call you out on it. For bullies getting away with making the joke is why it feels good, it's at someone else's expense and they just sat there and took it. Nothing is more funny than humiliating a friend.
You can tell it's a bully joke and not a funny joke from the way it landed. Trump's group of cheerleading weasels smirked and laughed while the Japanese delegation remained entirely stoic.
This is how soft power dies. Yeah, I tried to detail how some people believe a joke can't be funny because of the setting, or the surrounding world of the person making it, but I think you've ultimately done a better job than me in explaining that. We can do all the throat clearing about insensitive jokes and what should and shouldn't be done in diplomacy and this isn't how a world leader should talk. If you really want it. Feels almost rote at this point, given the consistency. We're coming up on the 11th year anniversary for "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." So 11 years of typing the obvious. As always, communication is a two way street. The recipient is part of the conversation. If they feel insulted (even if you didn't mean to insult them) you failed in communication. Do it often enough and people don't want to talk to you. Most people do a mistake here or there and that is forgiven if you simply apologize for it or simply don't do it more than a few times in total. As always the problem with Trump is that he doesn't even realize he made a mistake. Thus he cannot learn from it and will repeat it again. Is it a mistake if you did it on purpose. Depends on the outcome you want. If you want Japan to help you with Iran it is clearly a mistake. If you want Japan to tell your other allies that Iran is a bad deal and stay out, it isn't a mistake. It’s already too late to get allies to help you out in a collision of the willing because Trump and this administration doesn’t believe in even bothering to try manufacturing consent. Like this administration believes in zero sum everything. They believe nations will come help solve this issue because the world economy is cooked if it isn’t resolved and the US believes it js better positioned than other countries to absorb the blow. So I don’t think this administration believes it’s made a mistake or has really made a mistake in the context of their belief system because the only thing this administration believes in is in forcefully coercing people to indulge in their zero sum world view. From my point of view the issue is resolving itself slowly already. Iran is taking full control of the strait and will put up restrictions on which nations that can send ships through. So the global issues will resolve themselves with or without supporting the US vs Iran based on current trends. I'm not sure this is so much resolution, as 'neither actually involved sides see much viability of reaching resolution' so everyone else is trying to find ways around the problem so the world economy can keep chugging along (since they sure as hell can't actually resolve it). And Iran is just reasonable enough to come to agreements with some third parties (probably because 'everyone else' involves some of their allies). I'm not sure if this will do anything to actually end the fighting, Iran won't just let all the ships through, because this is their primary leverage towards no longer getting bombed. And even the rest of the world combined can't pressure the US/Israel into meeting Iranian demands. While the US/Israel can just lose interest/stop bombing Iran, I don't think Iran will trust that it's not just a short reload then they are back in a few months/years again. I don't envision a world where Israel doesn't actually just come back after a short reload, dragging the US back in. So either ground troops actually go in, or somehow the US pressures other countries into some kind of reparations/rebuild package for Iran (the US is sure as hell not going to pay Iran reparations). Or there needs to be at least a change in attitude on the side of the US, eg telling Israel, 'Next time you bomb them you are on your own'. In which case the fight sort of fizzles out, and Iran eventually believes it's not just a short break to restock munitions. None of these options look particularly likely. Either that or Trump gets either China or his russian friends to agree to help Iran rebuild in lieu of actual reparations. They might accept it because it basically guarantees their influence in the region for the forseeable future, and Trump might accept it because compared to not having to deal with either a disastrous ground campaign in Iran or a humiliating meeting of actual Iranian terms probably outweighs actual US geopolitical interest every time. Even there I don't think Russia is even in an economic state to help, and China might just not be that interested in cleaning up a US mess. Well Iran - US relations are dead unless there is a regime change in Iran. Which currently seems unlikely as the US public doesn't want boots on the ground and there is an election soon. Though the US is putting enough marines into the area to be able to do it if they want to. I basically see it as Iran will let Chinese, Indian etc ships through. Ships that are not from those nations will instead move to other trade regions, causing a local monopoly on ship capacity. They can then start charging ships passing through similar to Seuz or Panama canals and things stabilize. It seems to be acceptable to the US as well since they prioritize global trade over crippling Iran (as Iranian oil exports are up since the start of the war). The US is also seriously discussing stopping sanctions on Iranian oil to keep prices down, same as they did for Russian oil. (If I am from a European country bordering Russia I would be furious at that removal of sanctions.) So seems they are trying to leverage their control of the strait into switching from the US dollar to the Yuan for oil trade. That is actually more dangerous to the US than a few nukes in Iran. (Also seems to be old news, I just missed it a few days ago.) The other topic I replied to. The UK is now allowing US to use their bases. I still think they would have allowed this if they had time to consider it and got some small concession for it.
Only 20% of the oil supply goes through the strait. I don't think forcing an actual switch to Yuan based dollar is feasible.
Honestly, I think it's more about extending China's ability to weather the oil shock. While China was somehow better prepared for the oil shock than the US, despite the US + Israel causing the situation to begin with, they will eventually run out of oil (not soon, but eventually).
Once Iran's richest ally is no longer able to wear the shock, Iran pretty much has to open up the strait at that stage. So their leverage does have a use by date, they are just trying to extend it a bit.
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On March 24 2026 02:08 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 00:45 KwarK wrote:Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today. The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well. VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran. I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD For context he said this about 40 hours earlier If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the Strait Its position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says: We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader) The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place. The Iranian diplomat he was talking to goes to school in Canada, you wouldn't know her. Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing! I engaged fine with the AI discussion. But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know". It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls. I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside. In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [ mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls? How many times have you copy/pasted this exact block of text complaining about unproductive repetitiveness in this thread?
It would seem the answer to both of our questions is 0.
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If I search your post history for "mock and gawk" I get 35 results. Is your thinking "it didn't work the first 34 times, but this'll finally be the jolt for posters on TL.net to get out of this thread and achieve socialism", or...?
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On March 24 2026 02:23 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 01:11 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 17:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 09:30 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 20 2026 07:14 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:03 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 07:01 Hat Trick of Today wrote:On March 20 2026 07:00 Yurie wrote:On March 20 2026 05:38 dyhb wrote:
[quote]Yeah, I tried to detail how some people believe a joke can't be funny because of the setting, or the surrounding world of the person making it, but I think you've ultimately done a better job than me in explaining that.
We can do all the throat clearing about insensitive jokes and what should and shouldn't be done in diplomacy and this isn't how a world leader should talk. If you really want it. Feels almost rote at this point, given the consistency. We're coming up on the 11th year anniversary for "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." So 11 years of typing the obvious. As always, communication is a two way street. The recipient is part of the conversation. If they feel insulted (even if you didn't mean to insult them) you failed in communication. Do it often enough and people don't want to talk to you. Most people do a mistake here or there and that is forgiven if you simply apologize for it or simply don't do it more than a few times in total. As always the problem with Trump is that he doesn't even realize he made a mistake. Thus he cannot learn from it and will repeat it again. Is it a mistake if you did it on purpose. Depends on the outcome you want. If you want Japan to help you with Iran it is clearly a mistake. If you want Japan to tell your other allies that Iran is a bad deal and stay out, it isn't a mistake. It’s already too late to get allies to help you out in a collision of the willing because Trump and this administration doesn’t believe in even bothering to try manufacturing consent. Like this administration believes in zero sum everything. They believe nations will come help solve this issue because the world economy is cooked if it isn’t resolved and the US believes it js better positioned than other countries to absorb the blow. So I don’t think this administration believes it’s made a mistake or has really made a mistake in the context of their belief system because the only thing this administration believes in is in forcefully coercing people to indulge in their zero sum world view. From my point of view the issue is resolving itself slowly already. Iran is taking full control of the strait and will put up restrictions on which nations that can send ships through. So the global issues will resolve themselves with or without supporting the US vs Iran based on current trends. I'm not sure this is so much resolution, as 'neither actually involved sides see much viability of reaching resolution' so everyone else is trying to find ways around the problem so the world economy can keep chugging along (since they sure as hell can't actually resolve it). And Iran is just reasonable enough to come to agreements with some third parties (probably because 'everyone else' involves some of their allies). I'm not sure if this will do anything to actually end the fighting, Iran won't just let all the ships through, because this is their primary leverage towards no longer getting bombed. And even the rest of the world combined can't pressure the US/Israel into meeting Iranian demands. While the US/Israel can just lose interest/stop bombing Iran, I don't think Iran will trust that it's not just a short reload then they are back in a few months/years again. I don't envision a world where Israel doesn't actually just come back after a short reload, dragging the US back in. So either ground troops actually go in, or somehow the US pressures other countries into some kind of reparations/rebuild package for Iran (the US is sure as hell not going to pay Iran reparations). Or there needs to be at least a change in attitude on the side of the US, eg telling Israel, 'Next time you bomb them you are on your own'. In which case the fight sort of fizzles out, and Iran eventually believes it's not just a short break to restock munitions. None of these options look particularly likely. Either that or Trump gets either China or his russian friends to agree to help Iran rebuild in lieu of actual reparations. They might accept it because it basically guarantees their influence in the region for the forseeable future, and Trump might accept it because compared to not having to deal with either a disastrous ground campaign in Iran or a humiliating meeting of actual Iranian terms probably outweighs actual US geopolitical interest every time. Even there I don't think Russia is even in an economic state to help, and China might just not be that interested in cleaning up a US mess. Well Iran - US relations are dead unless there is a regime change in Iran. Which currently seems unlikely as the US public doesn't want boots on the ground and there is an election soon. Though the US is putting enough marines into the area to be able to do it if they want to. I basically see it as Iran will let Chinese, Indian etc ships through. Ships that are not from those nations will instead move to other trade regions, causing a local monopoly on ship capacity. They can then start charging ships passing through similar to Seuz or Panama canals and things stabilize. It seems to be acceptable to the US as well since they prioritize global trade over crippling Iran (as Iranian oil exports are up since the start of the war). The US is also seriously discussing stopping sanctions on Iranian oil to keep prices down, same as they did for Russian oil. (If I am from a European country bordering Russia I would be furious at that removal of sanctions.) So seems they are trying to leverage their control of the strait into switching from the US dollar to the Yuan for oil trade. That is actually more dangerous to the US than a few nukes in Iran. (Also seems to be old news, I just missed it a few days ago.) The other topic I replied to. The UK is now allowing US to use their bases. I still think they would have allowed this if they had time to consider it and got some small concession for it. Only 20% of the oil supply goes through the strait. I don't think forcing an actual switch to Yuan based dollar is feasible. Honestly, I think it's more about extending China's ability to weather the oil shock. While China was somehow better prepared for the oil shock than the US, despite the US + Israel causing the situation to begin with, they will eventually run out of oil (not soon, but eventually). Once Iran's richest ally is no longer able to wear the shock, Iran pretty much has to open up the strait at that stage. So their leverage does have a use by date, they are just trying to extend it a bit. I think your vastly overestimating the influence China has over Iran or Iran's dependance on China.
China does not get to decide when Iran needs to surrender and it takes very little resources to keep the strait closed, the threat itself does almost all the work.
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On March 24 2026 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 02:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 24 2026 02:08 LightSpectra wrote:On March 24 2026 00:45 KwarK wrote:Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today. The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well. VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran. I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD For context he said this about 40 hours earlier If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the Strait Its position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says: We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader) The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place. The Iranian diplomat he was talking to goes to school in Canada, you wouldn't know her. On March 24 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing! I engaged fine with the AI discussion. But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know". It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls. I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside. In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [ mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls? How many times have you copy/pasted this exact block of text complaining about unproductive repetitiveness in this thread? It would seem the answer to both of our questions is 0. If I search your post history for "mock and gawk" I get 35 results. Is your thinking "it didn't work the first 34 times, but this'll finally be the jolt for posters on TL.net to get out of this thread and achieve socialism", or...?
Oh, you meant to ask about the definitional link. That's just documentation of a fraction of the number of times you guys do this.
A funny thing about that is that I don't bring it up every time you guys do this, I mention it pretty much only after one of you reminds yourselves that you don't actually want to be doing what you're doing according to yourselves.
Some people have noticed how preposterously foolish they were behaving and mostly stopped, but they haven't really found an alternative. Others, like yourself, still do this bad faith, strawman, shitposting to self-soothe when I point out that feeding the trolls and taking their bait is what you all do here the most by your own volition.
So I'm saying if you guys actually want to "stop feeding the trolls" and taking the bait from Sartres the only people stopping you are yourselves. But the whole point of posting the incessant mock and gawks is in hopes a Sartre wants to play with you.
At this point, as I've said, I can't point to sufficient evidence to demonstrate you and many others (like the Democrat party generally) are even capable of sustaining anything (specifically about US politics) but those kinds of incessant "feed the troll" sessions you were advising against.
EDIT: On March 24 2026 03:05 LightSpectra wrote:
The 36th time will be the winner, I feel it in my bones.
Another bad faith, strawman, shitpost to self-sooth. Quelle surprise!
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How many you think you can do in a row?
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On March 24 2026 03:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:On March 24 2026 02:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 24 2026 02:08 LightSpectra wrote:On March 24 2026 00:45 KwarK wrote:Few new updates from Trump on the Iran War today. The negotiations, which they're not engaging in because they've already won and Iran has been destroyed and anyway they refuse to accept less than unconditional surrender, are going well. VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST As such he will not be carrying out his threat to attack Iranian infrastructure if the Strait is not reopened by Iran. I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD For context he said this about 40 hours earlier If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think they reopened the Strait Its position on the Strait of Hormuz has not changed and the passage will remain closed Also it's not actually clear who Trump has been talking to. He says: We’re dealing with a man who I believe is the most respected and the leader. We have not heard from the son.(the new Supreme Leader) The Iranian Foreign Ministry don't think any such negotiations have taken place. The Iranian diplomat he was talking to goes to school in Canada, you wouldn't know her. On March 24 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing! I engaged fine with the AI discussion. But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know". It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls. I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside. In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [ mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls? How many times have you copy/pasted this exact block of text complaining about unproductive repetitiveness in this thread? It would seem the answer to both of our questions is 0. If I search your post history for "mock and gawk" I get 35 results. Is your thinking "it didn't work the first 34 times, but this'll finally be the jolt for posters on TL.net to get out of this thread and achieve socialism", or...? Oh, you meant to ask about the definitional link. That's just documentation of a fraction of the number of times you guys do this. A funny thing about that is that I don't bring it up every time you guys do this, I mention it pretty much only after one of you reminds yourselves that you don't actually want to be doing what you're doing according to yourselves. Some people have noticed how preposterously foolish they were behaving and mostly stopped, but they haven't really found an alternative. Others, like yourself, still do this bad faith, strawman, shitposting to self-soothe when I point out that feeding the trolls and taking their bait is what you all do here the most by your own volition. So I'm saying if you guys actually want to "stop feeding the trolls" and taking the bait from Sartres the only people stopping you are yourselves. But the whole point of posting the incessant mock and gawks is in hopes a Sartre wants to play with you. At this point, as I've said, I can't point to sufficient evidence to demonstrate you and many others (like the Democrat party generally) are even capable of sustaining anything (specifically about US politics) but those kinds of incessant "feed the troll" sessions you were advising against. EDIT: Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 03:05 LightSpectra wrote:
The 36th time will be the winner, I feel it in my bones. Another bad faith, strawman, shitpost to self-sooth. Quelle surprise! EDIT2: How many you think you can do in a row?
I’m confused here because it seems like he just does this when the conversation is not on his favorite (only) topic, how bad the Dems and their voters are (including anyone from anywhere in the world that doesn’t demonized them at every turn) and how superior in turn he is by posting how bad they are.
But maybe I’m completely crazy, the thread can help me with their votes.
Poll: Is GHs post above… (entire post but bolded the main focus)A complete lack of self awareness, creating a hilarious self own (9) 75% A brilliant troll, purposefully doing what he says he hates (2) 17% A showing of his heightened awareness of others that they can’t see themselves. (1) 8% Other (please describe other, but you don’t have to, it’s a free world) (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Is GHs post above… (entire post but bolded the main focus) (Vote): A brilliant troll, purposefully doing what he says he hates
(Vote): A complete lack of self awareness, creating a hilarious self own
(Vote): A showing of his heightened awareness of others that they can’t see themselves.
(Vote): Other (please describe other, but you don’t have to, it’s a free world)
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On March 24 2026 01:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2026 01:01 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, apparently Trumps phone number is a public secret in Washington and everyone has it, he finds it very amusing that notifications are non stop and it never stops ringing, it makes him feel important and special, so, you never know, maybe a prank caller got through to him and convinced him he's the new Ayatollah and they agreed to terms.
Or, it's blatant and obvious market manipulation as it was countless times before, we are all laughing at how stupid Trump is while everyone behind him is making bank and raking it in at the expense of everyone without the inside information on the timing of his insanity and stupidity. On March 24 2026 00:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 23 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Genuinely, what else would you all do? We can always engage with you some more, haven't been called a "White moderate" in a while. I find it funny that, instead of, like many others deciding to come in here and engage when topics that you are interested in (economic injustice, AI) are discussed in order to contribute something, anything outside your usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick, instead of that you come in to "troll" people you don't like by calling them out for engaging with bad faith posters/trolls. As always, your lack of self awareness is amazing! I engaged fine with the AI discussion. But even by your own measure, your answer is effectively "I don't know". It was a genuine question, because I haven't really seen any evidence lately that you all are even capable of any prolonged discussion about US politics that isn't primarily/exclusively the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive shtick" mocking and gawking/feeding trolls. I mean I obviously have opinions about it, but I'm just pointing out a factual observation, judgement aside. In all seriousness, how many pages do you think you all could go just picking a/some US politics topics besides the "usual incredibly unproductive and repetitive [ mock and gawk] shtick" and discussing it among yourselves while ignoring trolls?
Careful now - the last time you quoted me twice in a single post and I made a joke about it, you became incredibly angry and called me a shitposter! You're criticizing others for repeating their same old feeding-the-trolls preference, all the while copy/pasting the same old quotes and phrases about mocking and gawking.
Besides, plenty of posts over the past few days have been people engaging with baal and others, not solely with JJR or oBlade. And while I think that baal was mistaken on many of his points and flippant remarks and one-liners (which have already been addressed by others), I don't think baal is a troll per se. Would you consider baal to be a troll?
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I think we need a project, get out the 20 most frequent posters in this thread and then have GH grade us on a scale of 1 to 10.
1 being a Socialist ally who understands that the only real path forward is to spend most of our time attacking Democrats and pondering systematic injustices and inherent racism of the current political systems and 10 being a White moderate who mocks and gawks at everything while supporting genocide by saying they would vote for a moderate Democrat in the next elections.
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On March 24 2026 04:11 Jankisa wrote:
I think we need a project, get out the 20 most frequent posters in this thread and then have GH grade us on a scale of 1 to 10.
1 being a Socialist ally who understands that the only real path forward is to spend most of our time attacking Democrats and pondering systematic injustices and inherent racism of the current political systems and 10 being a White moderate who mocks and gawks at everything while supporting genocide by saying they would vote for a moderate Democrat in the next elections.
Thankfully, GH is already familiar enough with our posting history in this thread to rate us however he wants, without us needing to provide any additional material. Using the spectrum you've provided, I imagine that most of us would land around 5 through 10.
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On March 24 2026 03:48 Billyboy wrote:Poll: Is GHs post above… (entire post but bolded the main focus)A complete lack of self awareness, creating a hilarious self own (9) 75% A brilliant troll, purposefully doing what he says he hates (2) 17% A showing of his heightened awareness of others that they can’t see themselves. (1) 8% Other (please describe other, but you don’t have to, it’s a free world) (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: Is GHs post above… (entire post but bolded the main focus) (Vote): A brilliant troll, purposefully doing what he says he hates
(Vote): A complete lack of self awareness, creating a hilarious self own
(Vote): A showing of his heightened awareness of others that they can’t see themselves.
(Vote): Other (please describe other, but you don’t have to, it’s a free world)
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