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the whole southern US prides itself to "stand up to the man". state's rights is as ingrained as is the tension with the Feds.
why would yo go with Iran? is Somalia too on the nose and gives the game away? the comparison is not a favourable one either way for the Feds.
TX did not cooperate with Biden as a sport. and in comparison to MN it actually is a "problematic" border state. Biden did not cause a storm and send in the "troops" on one or more occasions, he could have. call him a bitch for that, seen another way though he wisely DID NOT CAUSE A STORM. where people needlessly are egged on based on idiotic policy.
where people get shot dead and theatrics and causing one outrage after another is the MO of this god forsaken admin.
but then again you and the rest of the "51st state" most likely are peddling Fentanyl and Trump has it right again, perhaps...?
again with the insurance... do you have your fingers in that pot too lol. insurance providers can be changed, alternatives exist.
families destroyed or lives lost - children traumatized because idiots in camo and a badge cause trouble everywhere including schools. doesn't a little bump in premiums for vandalizing gas guzzler pale in comparison?
Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
On January 25 2026 23:50 PoulsenB wrote: Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
Also you don’t live in a place where legitimately every citizen could have a gun and your police spend their entire lives in a state of fight or flight. I wonder how many US cops don’t have PTSD and I bet it’s a shockingly low number that we’re not trained by some already scared people.
And of course that’s in top of the under trained, under staffed and under everything else that isn’t armed.
On January 25 2026 23:41 Sadist wrote: Lmao at waiting for autopsies when people where shot on camera. Do you think they died from something other than gunshot wounds?
On January 25 2026 23:41 Sadist wrote: Lmao at waiting for autopsies when people where shot on camera. Do you think they died from something other than gunshot wounds?
On January 25 2026 23:50 PoulsenB wrote: Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
Also you don’t live in a place where legitimately every citizen could have a gun and your police spend their entire lives in a state of fight or flight. I wonder how many US cops don’t have PTSD and I bet it’s a shockingly low number that we’re not trained by some already scared people.
And of course that’s in top of the under trained, under staffed and under everything else that isn’t armed.
It all comes down to the training.
Police is badly trained, especially in de-escalation, therefor the interactions with the public are bad, which leads to the relationship with the public being strained, therefor more incidents happen, which leads to the relationship with the public getting worse, therefor the interactions turn hostile faster and round and round it goes.
The problem isn't that America has to many guns, its that they are not properly trained to do their job.
On January 25 2026 09:34 Manit0u wrote: Oh no. Let's not to this again please... How does owning and knowing how to use the gun protect you from the government? They have tanks and drones, your pea-shooter won't help you one bit.
It doesn’t seem incoherent to me at all to say “if the system isn’t going to impose consequences on ICE, we better make them scared to break into our houses for no reason another way.” More generally, it’s pretty hard right now to say “don’t take matters into your own hands, the right way is to let the proper authorities mete out justice.”
You need a warrant to go in a home. You just do. The FBI arrested 67,000 people in 2025. Did they show you and I a warrant for every one? Or probable cause? Is there a searchable mandatory public database with every warrant for every arrest? Maybe with enough innuendo and saying the FBI are breaking into people's homes and kidnapping people I can get some rubes to similarly mob the FBI until a Democrat is elected to pretend to dismantle them. After all, who invited federal agents to execute national law in states? Perhaps the FBI should only operate in the few parts of the nation that aren't states.
Even if you outlawed getting people at their homes, how's public places, ChristianS? That's the only alternative. There's either public or private places. You're on board with public? If you can't get them in either then the law effectively doesn't exist until we have the invention of Star Trek teleporters.
On January 25 2026 09:34 Manit0u wrote: Oh no. Let's not to this again please... How does owning and knowing how to use the gun protect you from the government? They have tanks and drones, your pea-shooter won't help you one bit.
It doesn’t seem incoherent to me at all to say “if the system isn’t going to impose consequences on ICE, we better make them scared to break into our houses for no reason another way.” More generally, it’s pretty hard right now to say “don’t take matters into your own hands, the right way is to let the proper authorities mete out justice.”
The best argument *against* political violence right now is that it would escalate the violence in a way that would hurt everybody. But when men with guns are coming into your neighbor and killing people for no crime other than peaceful dissent, and no authority exists with both power and inclination to stop or punish them, “guess we’ll have to start shooting back to defend ourselves” starts to look pretty reasonable.
On January 25 2026 10:51 KwarK wrote:
On January 25 2026 09:34 Manit0u wrote: Oh no. Let's not to this again please... How does owning and knowing how to use the gun protect you from the government? They have tanks and drones, your pea-shooter won't help you one bit.
A Christmas Carol.
Lol, I see I made an impression.
What I meant was that if ICE will be scared of going after people because they're armed then government will simply give them bigger guns, APCs etc. their ROE might also change to favor immediate use of force (even more than now) and it gets worse for everyone. Violence only begets violence.
The 2nd amendment might've made sense back in 18th century when population was more widespread and muskets were a thing. Unfortunately it doesn't work today, especially that one of the defining attributes of a state or a country is monopoly on violence. Can't let citizens break that monopoly.
There is supposedly no reason ICE should be scared when doing their titled and statutory job of enforcing immigration law, because I've been told illegal immigrants are all rainbows who behave better than citizens. And since federal court cases have largely said the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to people who aren't at least legal residents, there's no evidence to accuse illegal immigrants of breaking the law by owning or carrying guns illegally, so there would be no possibility of danger to ICE agents.
The truth is if people insist on interfering with federal law enforcement, or especially if the brave leaders in Minneapolis or Minnesota literally want to fight the federal government, that just leads directly to the Insurrection Act being invoked. No need to beef up ICE again. Just the Insurrection Act. And then the leftist disruption networks would have to relocate and find a new place to interfere with federal law enforcement like Washington or California and then the cycle repeats.
Waking up to this is pretty disgusting but we know that ICE is operating under the mandate that they don't need warrants to go into peoples homes at will and we know the administration is giving them no consequences even if they needed a warrent so the discussion is pretty moot.
The idea that this is somehow the fault of the leaders of minnesota is pretty ghoulish on its own. But what takes it over the top is this idea that "leftist disruption networks" are somehow at fault and that escalating the situation even more and bringing in even more heavily armed troops will somehow make the situation better.
He was not killed because of the Second Amendment. He was a legal resident, a union man, a legal holder of a gun with a permit and a nurse with no real criminal record. The gun was taken away and was out of sight before he was executed with a shot to the back of the head while another agent clapped as he died. We are not going to back down and we are not going anywhere. This is our community and if we are willing to defend it in these temperatures we are going to keep defending it even when more of our community is killed in defence of our neighbors.
On January 25 2026 23:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the Minneapolis mayor and Minnesota governor need to wait until the autopsies are done before shooting their mouths off. In a proper comprehensive criminal investigation video is not enough. It never has been enough.
On January 25 2026 23:15 Doublemint wrote: who gives a shit about insurance when people are dying and fundamental rights are ignored?
Minnesota is not Iran. They are living in a state where the Federal and Municipal governments are not co operating. This is a well known fact for a very long time. So, you know, heading into an event that will obstruct Federal Law Enforcement and no local police around... you know its trouble. These people are heading straight into the eye of a storm and then crying when they get wet.
Also, everyone will be whining about auto insurance in Minneapolis in about six months. Let's pay attention to outcomes here. Let's observe the Minneapolis newscasts in July and August. Let's see how much whining there is by average people about high auto insurance costs and how it is wrecking the life of the average working person. It'll be all over the news. I predict Minnesota insurers will introduce some new stripped down Insurance product that covers nothing but liability. And, I mean even more stripped down than the current $172/month stripped down product they have now. Its gonna be the wild west dawg.
We are not crying beacuse we are getting wet we are crying beacuse our neighbors are being executed by a state that does not give a fuck about the people's lives they're taking and ruining.
Minnesota insurance is already really low, but how fucking low of a person do you have to be to have this idea that people are going to be worried or punished by higher insurance costs when the real cost right now is lives lost and children traumatized by masked thugs that will face no consequences.
There is not going to be an investigation of this incident, there will be no punishment for the murderers. You know this, we know this. Focusing on some inane cost 6 months down the line for a top ten most economically developed region in the world is not a major issue.
On January 25 2026 23:50 PoulsenB wrote: Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
Also you don’t live in a place where legitimately every citizen could have a gun and your police spend their entire lives in a state of fight or flight. I wonder how many US cops don’t have PTSD and I bet it’s a shockingly low number that we’re not trained by some already scared people.
And of course that’s in top of the under trained, under staffed and under everything else that isn’t armed.
It all comes down to the training.
Police is badly trained, especially in de-escalation, therefor the interactions with the public are bad, which leads to the relationship with the public being strained, therefor more incidents happen, which leads to the relationship with the public getting worse, therefor the interactions turn hostile faster and round and round it goes.
The problem isn't that America has to many guns, its that they are not properly trained to do their job.
Odd take, it’s clearly both. Considering the unique thing about the us is the amount of guns and type of them. The amount of guns also make the training needed far different and harder. Not to mention scare away a bunch of people who are not looking for gun fights.
Briefly engaging with oBlade was mostly a waste of time, but it did raise an interesting question for me: how much of what ICE is doing right now is a new ICE phenomenon, and how much is just the same old problems with US law enforcement?
Example: It’s legal to film law enforcement in this country, but it does tend to piss off cops. ICE has pretty frequently been knocking people’s phones to the ground and smashing them. But is that new? Regular cops do that fairly frequently, too. IIRC the ACLU created an app that records video and live uploads it to an ACLU server specifically because this was such a common problem. Stopping regular citizens for little to no reason, then freaking out and shooting them for no reason: outrageous, but also not new, of course. We’ve had incidents like that, not infrequently, for a long time now.
Something that does seem to be new, though: random violence and threats at nearby strangers as a somewhat regular occurrence. The situation with Pretti is one example of many – ICE didn’t show up to that situation looking for someone specific; they just were moving through, saw some strangers, and decided to fuck them up. At no point do they seem to think anybody they’re shoving or pepper spraying or, ultimately, shooting has committed an arrestable offense. Similarly they’re prone to walking up to legal observers, surrounding them, and threatening them with this or that prosecution; also notable how often they seem to break people’s car windows for no apparent reason.
Still, probably the biggest notable distinction is that their primary purpose in this situation is punishing of political dissent. Kristi Noem’s list of demands to Tim Walz to get ICE out (e.g. “give us access to your voter rolls”) makes this clearer than anything. The feds have done targeting of political groups before, of course (COINTELPRO, etc.) but here the targeted group is normie Democrats – in other words, being anything but a Trump supporter is a punishable offense.
Historically Americans have been pretty willing to tolerate abuses by law enforcement – they’re the “thin blue line” separating us from chaos, after all – and I think a major component of that is their confidence that it won’t happen to them. If cops are breaking the rules, but mostly just with criminals and racial minorities, it might be a problem but it’s a distant problem. It’s “children starving in Africa” – sad, somebody should do something, but not an imminent threat to the American considering it.
Here, ICE is targeting Americans for the “crime” of coming out to protest ICE. Which means Americans have to either a) confront that now this could easily target them, or b) include peaceful opposition to the government among the things you just shouldn’t do if you don’t want extralegal retribution coming down on your head. I’m reasonably optimistic they’ll choose the former, but that seems like the major battle of the present moment.
Here's the full analysis of the situation, frame by frame, by US military veteran who also worked as an inspector for federal agencies training etc.
And again we have a comment that if he did that to an enemy combatant in Afghanistan he would be tried for murder and war crimes. If he did that to a civilian his own soldiers would arrest him on the spot.
It's just murder in broad daylight.
Warning: The footage he's showing is uncensored and unedited because he doesn't care about YouTube monetization so you see the whole situation unfold, including when Alex is being shot.
No one even asked the guy for papers, also, I'm pretty sure that executing unarmed men is slightly more illegal then not identifying yourself as a gun owner.
One ghoul is here trying to cosplay someone who cares about laws when he saw, point blank how someone put a bullet in the back of someone's head, while that someone was on their knees and surrounded by 6 men beating on them, and despite pretending like he's the person who "wants thing to be investigated" he still can't bring himself to spare one critical thought for the people escalating this shit, fucking disgusting, cowardly fascist behavior.
The other is hand wringing over car insurance while people are dead, American conservatives ladies and gentlemen, they will likely be the demise of us all. Fuck every single one of you.
Minnesotans are protesting the gestapo executing people on live TV and Jimmy is talking about auto insurance prices. oBlade is referring to local Christian clergy kneeling and saying the Our Father while being arrested as a "leftist disruption network". They're not accidentally being fools, they're doing exactly what Sartre said antisemites in France were doing a century ago:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Never forget ICE is doing this because their child molester president needs to stop looking weak every single day.
On January 26 2026 00:41 ChristianS wrote: Briefly engaging with oBlade was mostly a waste of time, but it did raise an interesting question for me: how much of what ICE is doing right now is a new ICE phenomenon, and how much is just the same old problems with US law enforcement?
I think it should be obvious that actions from ICE would be considered more widely atrocious if the USA had not had a long history of police brutality, racial discrimination, hard-on-crime policy, and militarisation. The problem with that connection is that it leads to accepting blame for failing to address the issues in past decades. Much easier and safer to try to isolate ICE as something new and unique than to consider the need for much wider reforms. Just need to convince people to roll back the clock to 2024 or to 2015.
I think the notion that the new development is ICE being an openly weaponised is correct to an extent. Similar things have probably happened, but they have likely been obscured by the smokescreen of the broader response to protest movements, like BLM. This time, things have very explicitly started with ICE invading communities.
On January 25 2026 23:50 PoulsenB wrote: Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
Also you don’t live in a place where legitimately every citizen could have a gun and your police spend their entire lives in a state of fight or flight. I wonder how many US cops don’t have PTSD and I bet it’s a shockingly low number that we’re not trained by some already scared people.
And of course that’s in top of the under trained, under staffed and under everything else that isn’t armed.
It all comes down to the training.
Police is badly trained, especially in de-escalation, therefor the interactions with the public are bad, which leads to the relationship with the public being strained, therefor more incidents happen, which leads to the relationship with the public getting worse, therefor the interactions turn hostile faster and round and round it goes.
The problem isn't that America has to many guns, its that they are not properly trained to do their job.
Odd take, it’s clearly both. Considering the unique thing about the us is the amount of guns and type of them. The amount of guns also make the training needed far different and harder. Not to mention scare away a bunch of people who are not looking for gun fights.
Like your extreme confidence though.
If the police force is not viewed as hostile and antagonistic then you don't have to treat every encounter with them as a life or death situation.
You having a legal gun in your car doesn't matter when an officer pulls you over for speeding when the officer's job is to keep people safe, not satisfy his ego by needlessly waving his dick/gun around.
On January 25 2026 23:50 PoulsenB wrote: Man, am I happy that I live in a country where all law enforcement officers have very strict rules on the use of firearms and are required to undergo multiple years of training before joining the force.
Also you don’t live in a place where legitimately every citizen could have a gun and your police spend their entire lives in a state of fight or flight. I wonder how many US cops don’t have PTSD and I bet it’s a shockingly low number that we’re not trained by some already scared people.
And of course that’s in top of the under trained, under staffed and under everything else that isn’t armed.
It all comes down to the training.
Police is badly trained, especially in de-escalation, therefor the interactions with the public are bad, which leads to the relationship with the public being strained, therefor more incidents happen, which leads to the relationship with the public getting worse, therefor the interactions turn hostile faster and round and round it goes.
The problem isn't that America has to many guns, its that they are not properly trained to do their job.
Odd take, it’s clearly both. Considering the unique thing about the us is the amount of guns and type of them. The amount of guns also make the training needed far different and harder. Not to mention scare away a bunch of people who are not looking for gun fights.
Like your extreme confidence though.
If the police force is not viewed as hostile and antagonistic then you don't have to treat every encounter with them as a life or death situation.
You having a legal gun in your car doesn't matter when an officer pulls you over for speeding when the officer's job is to keep people safe, not satisfy his ego by needlessly waving his dick/gun around.
That is not even a response to either of my posts.
This is a good look at the legality of the two shootings.
@4:08. 4 reasons you can use lethal force. notice #3. #3. You are having a felony committed upon your person.
the worst thing of all is ... @7:00 "local politicians advocating for unlawful and often times felonious behaviour"\
@4:36. 8 USC &1324 anyone who hinders, obstructs, delays immigration efforts... is guilty of a criminal offense.
@5:05 we have 18 USC &111 unlawful for any person to ... , resist, ... , impede, INTIMIDATE, or interfere with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties.
This is why I like to take my time in making determinations of criminality. I like to learn the entire context.. gather all the facts. These shotgun statements from local politicians instantly determining guilt are irresponsible. All they do is feed the mob.
It is one thing for the average person to make an ill informed casual declaration.. loud mouth yahoos do this all the time. it is a whole other ball game for a Mayor or Governor or President to instantly declare with 100% certainty the criminality of the event.
As stated by this lawyer guy in the video.. .The President, Governor and Mayor are all behaved very irresponsibly right after the shooting.
Knowing all this legal stuff, I'd never impede an ICE officer, ever. I'd get shipped back to Canada....stat.
no judge signed off on this and no reasoning behind their decision was given. LOL. Shouldn't the governor and mayor be whining about the 8th circuit court of appeals? are they? or are they just feeding the mob with mainstream-news talking points?
JimmyJRaynor, you need help. you actually managed to bring car insurance into the discussion of a shooting. What is wrong with you? It is hard enough to read all the shit you bring into every discussion on this site because you feel like you are competent to talk about everything. But this? Get help.
On January 25 2026 23:41 Sadist wrote: Lmao at waiting for autopsies when people where shot on camera. Do you think they died from something other than gunshot wounds?
Listen to yourself.
Yeah, what could you possibly expect the result of an autopsy to show for it to change anything about this situation? That they all missed and he actually died of a heart attack? How stupid can you be...
Jimmy, if someone is guilty of a criminal offense, the correct thing to do is arrest and indict them. Not shoot them in the head when they're posing no threat whatsoever.
President child molester was found guilty of 34 felonies in a court of law, but at no point in that process was it lawful or moral for a LEO to publicly execute him.
EPT
