EPTAs if what that person was doing, outside of being a clear, immediate and lethal threat, was relevant.
That country is so fucked.
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Biff The Understudy
France7955 Posts
As if what that person was doing, outside of being a clear, immediate and lethal threat, was relevant. That country is so fucked. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5022 Posts
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Hat Trick of Today
171 Posts
All of this is the weirdest sort of subservience because these supporters are getting jack shit out of ICE jackbooting Minnesota (and the country really) unless they’re a board member on Palantir or something. It’s peasant brained behaviour. They should’ve jackbooting Texas and California well before Minnesota if it was really about immigration but they’re evidently not doing anything to the same degree. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20125 Posts
On January 26 2026 16:04 dyhb wrote: When I write two posts on why there isn't a defense for the ICE shooting, from what I can see on the video, it's pretty trollish and idiotic to open your post "the defense keeps hinging." An ICE officer shot one Alex Pretti, but the man not defending the shooting is "the defense." Come again? Here you go tilting after windmills. I already condemned the shooting, so don't try to tell me that I'm only in it to dig up dirt on the victim to justify his death. By all means, argue that the officers displayed excessive force in effecting a detention and potential arrest. I was alleging that you knowingly conflated the lawful ways to protest ICE actions and when those actions violate federal law. You can change your mind and 100% agree with me and still also think that ICE shouldn't have pushed or pepper-sprayed. I'm a little more confident than you are that Americans know protesting in a public place doesn't include finding ICE vehicles and blowing a whistle in their face while in the middle of a street. You're very confidently wrong, because neither identifying ice cars nor blowing whistles constitutes obstruction by the definition of the statute they are detaining people under. (1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or (2) forcibly assaults or intimidates any person who formerly served as a person designated in section 1114 on account of the performance of official duties during such person's term of service, Unless ICE is forcibly intimidated by whistles, but I guess they are a bunch of untrained cowards so that might actually be true. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
171 Posts
Again, it’s peasant brained behaviour where peasants just ask “milord please give me a pay rise and don’t beat me down I beg of you, I won’t do anything that inconveniences you” in the face of injustice being done on a wide scale. It’s exactly why Christian is saying that this is just a defense of law enforcement brutality because it’s still trying to justify law enforcement brutality and immorality despite some mealy mouthed condemnation of someone getting shot dead in cold blood by said law enforcement. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11726 Posts
On January 26 2026 17:22 Biff The Understudy wrote: I love that you guys are at a point where a federal officer coldly executing an unthreatening man in the street is a subject of debate. As if what that person was doing, outside of being a clear, immediate and lethal threat, was relevant. That country is so fucked. Exactly. Even if that man were the most criminal of criminals, then the job of law enforcement still wouldn't be to execute him. It would be to arrest him and put him in court. Lawful countries don't kill people on the streets for being criminals. I agree that the whole way the US deals with these events is scary. It is always tribalism, and people are willing to turn 180° on any of their proclaimed principles purely based on who is on what side. There is zero deeper thought than "Our side is always right" | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8700 Posts
Steven Nekhaila, the chair of the Libertarian National Committee, was unequivocal in the wake of a Border Patrol agent fatally shooting an American citizen in Minneapolis: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) should be abolished, he said. In a lengthy statement the Libertarian Party posted Saturday to the social platform X, Nekhaila said ICE “was created in a national security context, blending immigration enforcement with counterterrorism culture, equipment, and mindset.” “Do not be fooled,” he added. “Every justification for state violence will be depersonalized, amplified, and systematized until it is a permanent feature of governance.” “Abolish ICE. Reform the broken immigration system. Do not give the police state an inch.” A memo signed by acting ICE Director Todd Lyons last year and obtained by The Associated Press earlier this week also authorized agency personnel to enter homes and arrest migrants without a judicial warrant, if they have a signed administrative warrant and a final order of removal issued by a judge. The Fourth Amendment, though, protects individuals against “unreasonable searches and seizures” and requires authorities to obtain a warrant with probable cause to justify a search. Nekhaila cited that memo Saturday, saying ICE is justifying its officers’ ability to enter homes without a judicial warrant via “an assertion by fiat, not a principle recognized by the Constitution, statute, or the courts.” better late than never I guess... though to be honest for libertarian minded people way too late to remember what their job is. it has been a year of things going stupidly wrong at an alarming rate. let's grow that tent to wipe out the scourge of Trumpism! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5022 Posts
Also, I'd like to add even though the mass video capture with phone strategy is hardly protection, but more like a safe distance approach. Whem people start to be more willing to physically put themselves in between the agents, the powder keg has been lit. And that type of escalation might become very bloody very quickly. Let's hope they get to oppose ICE in a more peaceful, effective way, but I doubt it. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1108 Posts
Trump and Goons don't like or honor "american values". They want to use the system that is already super rigged for the generational wealthy people, and fully turn it into an oligarchy with a ruling class that doesn not need to answer to voters or courts or any oversight. They want to abolish social mobility. They don't believe in innovation, they outright fear new technology or social developements that would "reshuffle the deck". Trump had boats bombed, 80 soldiers killed, and a president kidnapped... because he wanted to be handed a 2nd hand Nobel Peace Prize. That's insanity. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10137 Posts
On January 26 2026 07:43 dyhb wrote: To put it in your words, I wrote the rest because other people in the thread added drivel that was wrong and ignorant. If they had kept to just what's contained in that sentence, there would be no point in posting. Thank you for your contribution. It’s honestly impressive. My argument is not that this is a “complex issue” worth pages of debate. It’s the exact opposite: there is no debate. Executing a disarmed civilian is indefensible. Period. That’s the beginning and the end of the moral analysis. If people had stuck to that very basic conclusion, there would have been no need for anything beyond it. Unfortunately, others felt the need to add excuses, imaginary justifications, and various forms of ignorance, hence why the post got more words than necessary, and the fact that you felt compelled to continue it does not speak well of you. | ||
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