EPT@oBlade: oh my gosh, his own blood! That's (almost) just as bad as being shot in the face!
US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5467
| Forum Index > General Forum |
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets. Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source. If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread | ||
|
Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
@oBlade: oh my gosh, his own blood! That's (almost) just as bad as being shot in the face! | ||
|
Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
Fucking with property = cause for killing people. I mean, it's par for the course, the police in the USA was first created to protect property, not people, so Trump and his cohort who want to go back in time to when they were able to own people and shoot them for protesting makes perfect sense. | ||
|
Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
| ||
|
Simberto
Germany12015 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:36 Uldridge wrote: The rule of law in the US is very simple at the moment: a shot to the face when you're impeding. Death is very simple language everyone understands. No second chances, no do overs, no more breaths to take, just reduction to non-existence. @oBlade: oh my gosh, his own blood! That's (almost) just as bad as being shot in the face! Also, note that it is someone else in a completely different situation, which oBlade conveniently skipped over in their response. So this argument obviously fails on multiple levels. And yeah, that seems to be the case. Keep walking, keep your mouth closed. Don't ask questions, don't be at the wrong place at the wrong time. If you see armed goons roughing up people, look the other way and walk away, or they can kill you. | ||
|
oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:42 Jankisa wrote: Ah, yes, the classic equation conservatives in the USA, property>lives. Fucking with property = cause for killing people. I didn't say this. Nobody said this. Which case was a DA error? | ||
|
Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:35 oBlade wrote: You're going for the it's just a harmless victimless property crime, they have insurance, meme? You know those guys didn't just break windows? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_kSA1OXsAATn5b.jpg) .... Uhm... And how exactly makes that shooting an unrelated person any better? I mean if the guy "seeing his own blood" would have shot at the people there, right in the moment he got hurt, that would be "some" justification (most likely not really, but at least you would have a leg to stand on) but that wasn't the case. You bring up a totally diffrent event to justify what best can be described as the execution of an allready disarmed and controlled person. Did I miss something or is this your actual argument? | ||
|
Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
| ||
|
oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:51 Velr wrote: Uhm... And how exactly makes that shooting an unrelated person any better? I mean if the guy "seeing his own blood" would have shot at the people there, right in the moment he got hurt, that would be "some" justification (most likely not really, but at least you would have a leg to stand on) but that wasn't the case. You bring up a totally diffrent event to justify what best can be described as the execution of an allready disarmed and controlled person. Did I miss something or is this your actual argument? I have no idea what you're talking about. You appear to have not read a fucking thing and have assumed everything I'm saying is some kind of long-winded justification for the shooting of Pretti that I've already said multiple times he should not have been shot and did not deserve to be shot. The world is going on. I'm talking about other things. You have by yourself assumed that the only two options given to a police officer are stand idly by, and shoot someone, and then put that on me - the point is as far as I know the perpetrators of that were not pushed back, were not tazed, were not gassed, were not shot with beanbags, were not arrested, were not tackled, were not anything. When you look at scale police aren't the trigger happy animals people think. Edit: Oh I did just see one got beanbagged. | ||
|
Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
| ||
|
Simberto
Germany12015 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:51 Uldridge wrote: Where are the Epstein files? Psst, don't ask, or they are gonna invade Greenland to distract from it. | ||
|
Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
Where are the Epstein files though? Where are the 2 million document in which Trumps is mentioned on every single page where it shows black on white that he trafficked and raped underaged women? Don't you care about that at all!? | ||
|
ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
(@oBlade btw: you love going chapter and verse on federal law. Where does it say citizens have to obey commands from federal agents? I’m aware of similar provisions in state law, and I believe MN doesn’t have one, but if there’s also a federal requirement I haven’t heard of it.) The rally point still seems to be “okay but all these protests are still illegal so they’re still tempting fate.” Which is still, you know, “return to your homes, do not oppose the authorities, or extrajudicial violence will be visited upon you.” And to be sure, some of the protest actions are at least arguably illegal. There’s a prescription people often take from the civil rights movement for civil disobedience that goes like this: when there’s an unjust law, the right thing to do is to break that law, and then willingly accept the punishment. It’s not really a universal prescription, though – many unjust laws do not offer a way for regular citizens to break them. Deporting DACA recipients is an unjust law, but it’s the government acting a vulnerable population being acted upon; the rest of us have no law to break in protest. The closest you can get is standing in the officers’ way as they try to take people, or “impeding” – a moral action that breaks the law, and if they arrest you for it that completes the prescription. All of that is irrelevant to the present case, though, because “blowing a whistle” and “standing in the street” aren’t illegal. I don’t need to argue that these other cases of lawbreaking are justified (although, you betcha!) because Alex Pretti wasn’t doing that stuff! They approached him! If they had some elementary school they were headed to, he’s not slowing them down in any way! As I said at the beginning, there’s a need to create an “other” that Alex Pretti is, and I am not, if I want to believe what happened to him couldn’t happen to me. And I mean, he’s an ICU nurse; he’s able to think of this prison he’s trying to help even as he’s being pepper sprayed; maybe I’m too much of a coward to do that. But all it actually took for him to get killed was to publicly protest that men with guns kidnapping his neighbors is wrong, and continue to say that even as the men with guns were standing in front of him. | ||
|
oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On January 27 2026 00:15 Uldridge wrote: oBlade, fervently pro second amendment, doens't agree with people using their God Given Right to protect themselves from an overreaching government because he now has a very favorable government he can root for. Don't go in against your government and potentially use your second amendment rights guys, that's stupid to do! This government are the good guys! ICE are the good guys! Just don't get in their way or impede or obstruct them or you're going to get shot, okay? Oh god, this ICE officer has literally his(?!) blood on his hands and that other one got bean bagged. Oh well, time to sacrifice another citizen to install some of that good terrorist fear in our folks. Where are the Epstein files though? Where are the 2 million document in which Trumps is mentioned on every single page where it shows black on white that he trafficked and raped underaged women? Don't you care about that at all!? If you have no ideas to contribute, do these massive all-encompassing strawmen. I'll pretend it was a good faith post and explain with my actual ideas. The second amendment's utility as a check against tyranny, while I believe it exists, is largely theoretical. It's in the sense that social contract theory isn't about a real contract we all sign. It's just kind of an understanding there in the background. So if you actually think the government has become tyranny and want to fight it, you have to win. That's basically it. You seem to think I'm a conservative, and Christian, and maybe an NRA member or something. On January 27 2026 00:15 Uldridge wrote: Don't go in against your government and potentially use your second amendment rights guys, that's stupid to do! This is the most telling single sentence, from you. Who do you think is doing this? Was this in reference to something specific? On January 27 2026 00:15 Uldridge wrote: Oh god, this ICE officer has literally his(?!) blood on his hands and that other one got bean bagged. The officer didn't get bean bagged, a suspect did. At least pretend to understand. | ||
|
iXphobos
Germany1465 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:35 oBlade wrote: You're going for the it's just a harmless victimless property crime, they have insurance, meme? You know those guys didn't just break windows? A simple "yes" would have sufficed. | ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada17892 Posts
Source: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/rising-property-insurance-costs-stress-multifamily-housing Its always the working poor who get burned the most. if this stuff reaches 2020 levels of chaos look for more big time increases in insurance rates. Also, Insurers have created "riot exemption" clauses in their policies. Thus, whether or not something gets officially labelled a "riot" has financial implications. If some event gets labelled a "riot" and your car or apartment or property gets damaged you might not be able to make a claim. I remember in Vancouver they were really sticky about anything being called a "riot" for this very reason. That is why so many people went way out of their way to avoid calling the 2011 thing in Vancouver "not a riot" as it was happening. Of course, only a few hours/minutes later... they could not keep up the facade. Look for similar levels of misinformation if and when a riot flares up in Minneapolis. Just another "win" for the P&C Insurance industry guys! To quote Xander Drax: "there is opportunity in chaos". | ||
KwarK
United States44352 Posts
On January 27 2026 00:40 JimmyJRaynor wrote: after the 2020 riots insurance for apartment renters rose 45%. Source: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/rising-property-insurance-costs-stress-multifamily-housing Its always the working poor who get burned the most. if this stuff reaches 2020 levels of chaos look for more big time increases in insurance rates. Also, Insurers have created "riot exemption" clauses in their policies. Thus, whether or not something gets officially labelled a "riot" has financial implications. If some event gets labelled a "riot" and your car or apartment or property gets damaged you might not be able to make a claim. I remember in Vancouver they were really sticky about anything being called a "riot" for this very reason. That is why so many people went way out of their way to avoid calling the 2011 thing in Vancouver "not a riot" as it was happening. Of course, only a few hours/minutes later... they could not keep up the facade. Look for similar levels of misinformation if and when a riot flares up in Minneapolis. Just another "win" for the P&C Insurance industry guys! I don’t understand the relevance of this to the miracle on ice. | ||
|
LightSpectra
United States3270 Posts
On January 26 2026 23:51 Uldridge wrote: Where are the Epstein files? Trump made a deal with Epstein's former clients that if they donated enough dark money to SuperPACs for him to win the 2024 election, he'd replace the children Epstein was trafficking them by having ICE conveniently lose them after abducting them. | ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada17892 Posts
On January 27 2026 00:42 KwarK wrote: I don’t understand the relevance of this to the miracle on ice. i don't think it is related to the miracle on ice. the soviets never shoulda pulled Tretiak though. | ||
|
Billyboy
2462 Posts
| ||
|
Manit0u
Poland17845 Posts
On January 26 2026 13:43 oBlade wrote: Impeding is one of the exact words in the US Code. (a)In General.—Whoever— (1)forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or The persons designated in 1114 being any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, OK now, do tell me how someone is to tell that ICE is "engaged in the performance of official duties" when they show up in unmarked vehicles, masked, with no identification of person or even agency they belong to and start performing crowd control which is not part of ICE duties? How are people to know they're even legit federal agents and not some bandit cosplayers? You can't impede something that simply isn't happening. | ||
| ||
