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On March 23 2026 18:45 baal wrote:
If you believe everybody knew from the begging that means that Germans are ontologically evil where 1/3 of them thirsted for the blood of every jew in the continent, it's a ridiculous misreading of history that actually prevents to understanding any lessons of the holocaust.
meh, a big contributing factor: the Allies grossly mishandled Germany at the end of WW1.
It is sad and fascinating that the echoes of these bad moves still exist today. As I stated earlier, Nathan Fielder demonstrates this effectively because if you live in Germany you can't buy a Summit Ice Winter Jacket to endure those cold northern winters. Clearly, Germany still struggles to effectively process historical events that happened 80+ years ago.
This is fucking hilarious
Summit Ice believes that brand loyalty and Holocaust education should begin as early as possible. That’s why we’ve designed a baby onesie that is both cute and stylish. These little suckers are 100% cotton and feature snap closures for easy diaper changes.
How can Germany censor this stupidity?
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On March 23 2026 19:49 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 19:07 Velr wrote:
Because ChatGPT isn't a person, neither natural nor legal?
Tax Google/Nvidia/Microsoft (tax their local earnings), no issue there but taxing "AI" like it's an entity is opening some strange doors I would assume you wouldn't like to be opened. Why exactly? Germany asks every employer to pay social insurance for employees, if AI "learns like humans, and doesn't need to respect copyrights" does the job now, it becomes the employee.
Just tax the companies?
Also... AI stealing/using copyright is probably about the smallest issue with it replacing people.
I don't understand why you want to treat AI diffrent from any other sort of equipment that is replacing jobs or has done so. By the same logic you could tax Excel, Word, Computers, Tractors, Fertilizers or Wheels. AI isn't unique in this, not at all.
I'm all for changing tax codes/laws but singling out AI seems just extremly weird to me.
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On March 23 2026 18:25 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2026 23:32 WombaT wrote:On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:
Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance. France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark... The claim is that many people didn't know they were going to kill the jews when the Nazi party won not deep into the war you dunce. Stop talking about Germany please. You have no clue about anything, and you apparently cannot understand complex situations. And you dont seem to understand simple arguments Look at that data. The November 1932 election was the last free election, so 1933 doesn't count. Yes, the Nazis were the biggest party. But they were also unable to form a coalition with any other party, so they couldn't create a government. We don't have FPTP in Germany, and didn't back then. In a parliamentary system, having 30% of the vote doesn't matter if you cannot convince another 20% to work with you. Again, the claim is that a party who openly wants the mas killing of a race wouldn't get to power or be the most popular party in your own fucking country, unless you think one third of you German ancestors were mass murdering maniacs.------------------------------- Reading comprehension sucks in here so heres again for like the nth time, the claims were: - Nazis didn't openly call for the mass murder of jews before the war, they were concealing their intentions since expulsion is more palatable for the public. - Many jews and germans also didn't know that was their goal until it was too late. Even if that were the case, it’s still a good use case for some kind of hate speech laws or similar mechanisms no? Forgive me if I’m misremembering or misintepreting but wasn’t this tangent jumping off that discussion? No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas.
Okay so by this logic the original Nazi Party should've never become the most popular and largest party in 1930s Germany because (edit: aside from the brief suspension following the Beer Hall Putsch) nobody had attempted to censor Nazi symbolism or speech up to that point, right?
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Nice to see Trump engage is some good negotiations with Iran. I believe Trump said this thing would go 4 to 5 weeks. It appears our fearless leader is on schedule.
Trump has taken a lot of Ls the past 6 months... i hope these negotiations with Iran end in a big W for the US of by God "A".
On March 23 2026 21:15 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 18:25 baal wrote:On March 22 2026 23:32 WombaT wrote:On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:
Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance. France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark... The claim is that many people didn't know they were going to kill the jews when the Nazi party won not deep into the war you dunce. Stop talking about Germany please. You have no clue about anything, and you apparently cannot understand complex situations. And you dont seem to understand simple arguments Look at that data. The November 1932 election was the last free election, so 1933 doesn't count. Yes, the Nazis were the biggest party. But they were also unable to form a coalition with any other party, so they couldn't create a government. We don't have FPTP in Germany, and didn't back then. In a parliamentary system, having 30% of the vote doesn't matter if you cannot convince another 20% to work with you. Again, the claim is that a party who openly wants the mas killing of a race wouldn't get to power or be the most popular party in your own fucking country, unless you think one third of you German ancestors were mass murdering maniacs.------------------------------- Reading comprehension sucks in here so heres again for like the nth time, the claims were: - Nazis didn't openly call for the mass murder of jews before the war, they were concealing their intentions since expulsion is more palatable for the public. - Many jews and germans also didn't know that was their goal until it was too late. Even if that were the case, it’s still a good use case for some kind of hate speech laws or similar mechanisms no? Forgive me if I’m misremembering or misintepreting but wasn’t this tangent jumping off that discussion? No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas. Okay so by this logic the original Nazi Party should've never become the most popular and largest party in 1930s Germany because nobody had attempted to censor Nazi symbolism or speech up to that point, right?
This is why it is really dumb to censor any one who thinks the moon landings might be fake OR that NASA wastes money. If NASA wants to continue to get my tax money they have to prove their worth every year.
Also, Symbolism isn't the problem. The mindset of the people are the problem. That is changed via persuasion.
On March 23 2026 18:25 baal wrote:
No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas.
+1, to go further with your point, again, Symbolism isn't the problem.
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How exactly do you expect USA to get a Win out of this?
They can't and won't achieve their stated goals, they can pretend that they did, and they will, but to anyone with IQ above room temperature it will be obvious that it's BS.
Regime won't change, they absolutely won't find any fissile material and ballistic missiles are still flying every day, so they definitely didn't destroy that program.
Trump going back on his promise of doing a huge war crime unless they open the strait is just another in a very, very long list of market manipulation moves from him, he says something unhinged over the weekend, markets brace for impact, he tells his cronies that he will "delay" his war crime and they have the insider info to make money off of it on Monday.
Also, just like Jimmy here has a middle school understanding of geopolitics, markets and the economy baal is equally as stupid in regards to history, I don't want to participate but just wanted to mention how silly this person is again because this tripling down is kind of hilarious.
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On March 23 2026 21:35 Jankisa wrote:
Also, just like Jimmy here has a middle school understanding of geopolitics, markets and the economy baal is equally as stupid in regards to history
The geopolitics of 100s of thousands of jews fleeing germany? what exactly?
Hey dawg, I'm the one who left Canada. So, I'm all about fleeing a bad situation. I'm all about finding the best place to ply your trade... you move there and assimilate. My grandparents taught me well.
I read the "geopolitics, markets and economy" of Canada and the USA ... just fine. This reading of the economy altered the course of my life for the better. You want to take a personal shot.. you'll get a personal response. I'm doing just fine.
On March 23 2026 21:35 Jankisa wrote: .... how silly this person is again because this tripling down is kind of hilarious.
I will agree with you on one point though: these convos are hilarious.
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It's not even TACO Tuesday, but Trump and the new Mullahs agreed upon peace, says Trump in all caps.
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On March 23 2026 21:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Nice to see Trump engage is some good negotiations with Iran. I believe Trump said this thing would go 4 to 5 weeks. It appears our fearless leader is on schedule.
Trump may say that he is negotiating with Iran, but CNBC are reporting the following:
CNBC as reported by the BBC:CNBC news anchor Joe Kernen says he's just had a quick phone call with US President Donald Trump, who he reports says there have been "very intense discussions" with the Iranians. Kernen asked who the US has been speaking to and was told by the president "well, they have representatives", he says. In terms of the people in Iran involved in possible negotiations, Kernan says Trump tells him: "I consider this regime change, because these are new people that I'm talking to.The president characterised them as having "great conversations", Kernen says.
This implies that Trump is speaking to people who aren't the current regime? Or is it just different people from within the regime? Does Trump genuinely believe that there has been regime change?
Meanwhile...
Iran's Fars News Agency as reported by the BBC:Iran's Fars News Agency, which is affiliated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), has quoted an unnamed Iranian source as saying there is "no direct or indirect contact with Trump". The source says after "hearing that our targets would include all power stations in West Asia, [Trump] backed down"."
Is this all just another example of TACO?
Guess we'll see who is lying in the coming hours/days.
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Jimmy, I'm referring to your understanding of tariffs and economy based on Fox news reports which completely ignores any negative indicators that you (and them) skip over.
Geopolitics, well, we can just thrown in anything to do with Israel since you are in the camp of raging conspiracy and antisemites like Candance Owens, and we can also throw in your analysis of Canadian politics because your brain was clearly broken by Justin Trudeau, most likely because you were in love with Katy Perry.
Regarding the all of the sudden "successful" negotiations between Trump regime and the Iranians, yeah, since we heard nothing about this from any source that is not Trumps tweets, and given that last 2 times Iran was negotiating with the USA it was used to blindside them from bombings I sincerely doubt that this is anything other then a way for him an his sycophants to make a little money on Mondays markets before going back to business as usual.
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Northern Ireland27454 Posts
On March 23 2026 18:25 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2026 23:32 WombaT wrote:On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:
Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance. France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark... The claim is that many people didn't know they were going to kill the jews when the Nazi party won not deep into the war you dunce. Stop talking about Germany please. You have no clue about anything, and you apparently cannot understand complex situations. And you dont seem to understand simple arguments Look at that data. The November 1932 election was the last free election, so 1933 doesn't count. Yes, the Nazis were the biggest party. But they were also unable to form a coalition with any other party, so they couldn't create a government. We don't have FPTP in Germany, and didn't back then. In a parliamentary system, having 30% of the vote doesn't matter if you cannot convince another 20% to work with you. Again, the claim is that a party who openly wants the mas killing of a race wouldn't get to power or be the most popular party in your own fucking country, unless you think one third of you German ancestors were mass murdering maniacs.------------------------------- Reading comprehension sucks in here so heres again for like the nth time, the claims were: - Nazis didn't openly call for the mass murder of jews before the war, they were concealing their intentions since expulsion is more palatable for the public. - Many jews and germans also didn't know that was their goal until it was too late. Even if that were the case, it’s still a good use case for some kind of hate speech laws or similar mechanisms no? Forgive me if I’m misremembering or misintepreting but wasn’t this tangent jumping off that discussion? No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas.
Have you been hibernating for the last 10-15 years?
Sure it can work in many instances, in others we’ve collectively seen that absolutely not be the case
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On March 23 2026 22:06 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 21:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Nice to see Trump engage is some good negotiations with Iran. I believe Trump said this thing would go 4 to 5 weeks. It appears our fearless leader is on schedule. Trump may say that he is negotiating with Iran, but CNBC are reporting the following: Show nested quote +CNBC as reported by the BBC:CNBC news anchor Joe Kernen says he's just had a quick phone call with US President Donald Trump, who he reports says there have been "very intense discussions" with the Iranians. Kernen asked who the US has been speaking to and was told by the president "well, they have representatives", he says. In terms of the people in Iran involved in possible negotiations, Kernan says Trump tells him: "I consider this regime change, because these are new people that I'm talking to.The president characterised them as having "great conversations", Kernen says. This implies that Trump is speaking to people who aren't the current regime? Or is it just different people from within the regime? Does Trump genuinely believe that there has been regime change? Meanwhile... Show nested quote +Iran's Fars News Agency as reported by the BBC:Iran's Fars News Agency, which is affiliated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), has quoted an unnamed Iranian source as saying there is "no direct or indirect contact with Trump". The source says after "hearing that our targets would include all power stations in West Asia, [Trump] backed down"." Is this all just another example of TACO? Guess we'll see who is lying in the coming hours/days. It really is wild that the Iranian regime has become a more trustworthy newd source then the President of the United States.
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Why would Iran negotiate with anything when Trump has shown he’s too much of a coward to actually do anything besides shoot some missiles.
Let’s be real, there’s no reason why Iran would negotiate after the Trump Administration forced Iran to go scorched earth and showed Iran said scorched earth tactics is legitimate leverage. What are you going to do, bomb them some more? Kill some more random leaders that they can just replace? Until you give restitution or put boots on the ground, they have no real reason to negotiate especially with a US and Israel that have no problems restarting hostilities on a whim.
You can’t just go back to the status quo when you’ve given Iran the knowledge that they’re able to put immense leverage on the global community. Like there’s rumours that they’re going extort the shit out of all traffic going through the strait, which has huge inflationary implications. He’s completely fucked the entire world for the foreseeable future.
On March 23 2026 22:13 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 22:06 MJG wrote:On March 23 2026 21:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Nice to see Trump engage is some good negotiations with Iran. I believe Trump said this thing would go 4 to 5 weeks. It appears our fearless leader is on schedule. Trump may say that he is negotiating with Iran, but CNBC are reporting the following: CNBC as reported by the BBC:CNBC news anchor Joe Kernen says he's just had a quick phone call with US President Donald Trump, who he reports says there have been "very intense discussions" with the Iranians. Kernen asked who the US has been speaking to and was told by the president "well, they have representatives", he says. In terms of the people in Iran involved in possible negotiations, Kernan says Trump tells him: "I consider this regime change, because these are new people that I'm talking to.The president characterised them as having "great conversations", Kernen says. This implies that Trump is speaking to people who aren't the current regime? Or is it just different people from within the regime? Does Trump genuinely believe that there has been regime change? Meanwhile... Iran's Fars News Agency as reported by the BBC:Iran's Fars News Agency, which is affiliated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), has quoted an unnamed Iranian source as saying there is "no direct or indirect contact with Trump". The source says after "hearing that our targets would include all power stations in West Asia, [Trump] backed down"." Is this all just another example of TACO? Guess we'll see who is lying in the coming hours/days. It really is wild that the Iranian regime has become a more trustworthy newd source then the President of the United States.
This is the dipshit that ran a crypto pump and dump scheme.
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On March 23 2026 21:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 21:35 Jankisa wrote:
Also, just like Jimmy here has a middle school understanding of geopolitics, markets and the economy baal is equally as stupid in regards to history The geopolitics of 100s of thousands of jews fleeing germany? what exactly? Hey dawg, I'm the one who left Canada. So, I'm all about fleeing a bad situation. I'm all about finding the best place to ply your trade... you move there and assimilate. My grandparents taught me well. I read the "geopolitics, markets and economy" of Canada and the USA ... just fine. This reading of the economy altered the course of my life for the better. You want to take a personal shot.. you'll get a personal response. I'm doing just fine. Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 21:35 Jankisa wrote: .... how silly this person is again because this tripling down is kind of hilarious. I will agree with you on one point though: these convos are hilarious.
Your two situations aren’t remotely comparable though there.
May be good advice for people in similar situations but wider analysis it ain’t
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AP reporting that Iran’s foreign ministry has stated that they have not conducted any indirect or direct negotiations with the US and these remarks are just so Trump can try and manipulate oil/stock prices. They have also stated that they have started efforts to de-escalate with neighbours but said neighbours should be asking the US and not them since they weren’t the ones starting this war.
Which is like the Occam’s Razor of this situation, no matter how little you trust Iran.
Also:
This guy is a piece of garbage but he isn’t wrong and has connections with the Iran government. Trump consistently does this TACO act of blowing shit up and then treating a return to the status quo as a win because other parties have no interest of rocking the boat. Iran has zero reason to maintain the status quo.
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On March 23 2026 16:17 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2026 22:57 KwarK wrote:On March 22 2026 19:11 baal wrote:
You are using AI wrong, in your attempt to beat me the argument has flown over your head at least 3 times now, argue the point instead of going: "ackshually Hitler wasn't elected, the Nazi party, which he lead, was elected and named him prime minster, your argument is invalid you don't know history" Getting baal to read a goddamn history book challenge, difficulty impossible. Neither Hitler, nor the party he led, came to power through free elections. He came to power through appointment by Hindenburg. Literally anyone who has read any book about the rise to power of the Nazis knows this. Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible. The point: -The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew.
This is the heart of baal's issue.
He's coming here and going "Do you really think that a party could be that openly genocidal against nonwhites in early 20th century Europe? Who would vote for such a party? Those voters would have to implicitly be willing to tolerate all sorts of atrocities in the name of national greatness. Nobody would do that. It doesn't make sense."
Man, when he first reads a book on European/American history he's going to be shocked. Like it turns out that Americans actually knew about slavery the whole time. And the eradication of the Native Americans. And the British knew about India etc.
Or there's Trump on the campaign trail in 2016 going "You know I've been thinking about all these people who are resisting our occupation of their countries in the Middle East and I really think the best way forwards is if we start killing their families".
Or Hesgeth in the declaration of the intervention in Iran proudly shouting out a policy of no quarter as if it was the coolest thing he'd ever heard of.
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On March 23 2026 21:14 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 19:49 KT_Elwood wrote:On March 23 2026 19:07 Velr wrote:
Because ChatGPT isn't a person, neither natural nor legal?
Tax Google/Nvidia/Microsoft (tax their local earnings), no issue there but taxing "AI" like it's an entity is opening some strange doors I would assume you wouldn't like to be opened. Why exactly? Germany asks every employer to pay social insurance for employees, if AI "learns like humans, and doesn't need to respect copyrights" does the job now, it becomes the employee. Just tax the companies? Also... AI stealing/using copyright is probably about the smallest issue with it replacing people. I don't understand why you want to treat AI diffrent from any other sort of equipment that is replacing jobs or has done so. By the same logic you could tax Excel, Word, Computers, Tractors, Fertilizers or Wheels. AI isn't unique in this, not at all. I'm all for changing tax codes/laws but singling out AI seems just extremly weird to me.
Taxes are not only a means to raise money. They are also policy tools and are often used to influence desired behavior from the population. Poland and the UK have a sugar tax, for example, whose purpose is to raise prices on foods/drinks containing a lot of sugar and thus discourage their consumption. The goal here is public health. There are many similar taxes: tobacco, alcohol, gambling, gas... If a nation deems the use of AI detrimental to its goals, it might very well tax it as a way of influencing people's behavior. Nothing strange or new here.
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But he was talking about taxing AI to compensate for a loss of Jobs and the lack of funding for social services that comes with that.
If we want to improve local (whatever that means) AI development, there are a lot of ways to do it (and there should somethign be done) but nowhere did he write anything about that. Instead it was this very strange --> AI is making Jobs obsolete --> Therefore our social services get less funding ---> So we got to tax AI (use).
That just doesn't make much sense... Or if you think it makes sense, why do this just for AI? Automation is ongoing since over 100 years at this point... Also this wouldn't do anything for european independence?
Btw: The constant "europe is falling behind"-meme just doesn't hit with me. I hear that in some form or fashion since I can remember. Yet large and ever increasing parts of europe are the best places to live in the world. In the last 2-3 decades alone much of central and eastern europe have seen massive improvements on basically all metrics.
Who cares if the GDP is not as inflated as the US one? Doesn't seem to have much of an effect on the qol.
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On March 23 2026 21:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2026 18:45 baal wrote:
If you believe everybody knew from the begging that means that Germans are ontologically evil where 1/3 of them thirsted for the blood of every jew in the continent, it's a ridiculous misreading of history that actually prevents to understanding any lessons of the holocaust. meh, a big contributing factor: the Allies grossly mishandled Germany at the end of WW1. It is sad and fascinating that the echoes of these bad moves still exist today. As I stated earlier, Nathan Fielder demonstrates this effectively because if you live in Germany you can't buy a Summit Ice Winter Jacket to endure those cold northern winters. Clearly, Germany still struggles to effectively process historical events that happened 80+ years ago. This is fucking hilarious Show nested quote +Summit Ice believes that brand loyalty and Holocaust education should begin as early as possible. That’s why we’ve designed a baby onesie that is both cute and stylish. These little suckers are 100% cotton and feature snap closures for easy diaper changes. How can Germany censor this stupidity?
I don't get it. Why would we not be able to buy jackets? I mean they are overpriced and have insane shipping costs but that is beside the point.
Germany had absolutely zero struggles to "effectively process historical events that happened 80+ years ago."
I say had because it is kinda true that the youngest voter generation has trouble understanding this.
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On March 23 2026 23:49 Velr wrote:
But he was talking about taxing AI to compensate for a loss of Jobs and the lack of funding for social services that comes with that.
If we want to improve local (whatever that means) AI development, there are a lot of ways to do it (and there should somethign be done) but nowhere did he write anything about that. Instead it was this very strange --> AI is making Jobs obsolete --> Therefore our social services get less funding ---> So we got to tax AI (use).
That just doesn't make much sense... Or if you think it makes sense, why do this just for AI? Automation is ongoing since over 100 years at this point... Also this wouldn't do anything for european independence?
The idea behind an LLM tax is that companies will only replace a human employee if they're really confident the LLM is going to do a better job (compare to the thousands employees of dozens of companies that were laid off and then asked to return when the execs realized LLM are actually shit at most things). Automation/robot taxes are also a proposed thing and they have the same purpose.
You could just raise corporate taxes in general, but the idea is companies that provide more employment to the public should be penalized less.
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