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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45368 Posts
3 hours ago
#111721
On March 23 2026 15:21 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2026 21:36 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:

Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance.


France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark...

You listed four countries. Out of those, only Switzerland wasn't occupied by the Nazis and didn't send the Jews to the camps. Are you really that dense?


LMAO at this point you ppl gotta be trolling.

What's wrong with maybenexttime's post? If your objective is to completely avoid the Nazis, then it doesn't make much sense to leave your Nazi-infested house just to walk over to your Nazi-infested neighbor's house.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23734 Posts
2 hours ago
#111722
On March 23 2026 02:04 WombaT wrote:
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On March 22 2026 23:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 22 2026 22:57 KwarK wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:11 baal wrote:
You are using AI wrong, in your attempt to beat me the argument has flown over your head at least 3 times now, argue the point instead of going: "ackshually Hitler wasn't elected, the Nazi party, which he lead, was elected and named him prime minster, your argument is invalid you don't know history"

+ Show Spoiler +
Getting baal to read a goddamn history book challenge, difficulty impossible.


+ Show Spoiler +
Neither Hitler, nor the party he led, came to power through free elections.
He came to power through appointment by Hindenburg. + Show Spoiler +
Literally anyone who has read any book about the rise to power of the Nazis knows this.

Why did Hindenburg do that?

Full of hot air IIRC

That may have been the SPD and their das kleinere Übel strat?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10623 Posts
2 hours ago
#111723
On March 22 2026 22:57 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2026 19:11 baal wrote:
You are using AI wrong, in your attempt to beat me the argument has flown over your head at least 3 times now, argue the point instead of going: "ackshually Hitler wasn't elected, the Nazi party, which he lead, was elected and named him prime minster, your argument is invalid you don't know history"

Getting baal to read a goddamn history book challenge, difficulty impossible.

Neither Hitler, nor the party he led, came to power through free elections. He came to power through appointment by Hindenburg. Literally anyone who has read any book about the rise to power of the Nazis knows this.


Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible.

The point:

-The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew.
Im back, in pog form!
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5766 Posts
1 hour ago
#111724
On March 23 2026 15:21 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2026 21:36 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:

Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance.


France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark...

You listed four countries. Out of those, only Switzerland wasn't occupied by the Nazis and didn't send the Jews to the camps. Are you really that dense?


LMAO at this point you ppl gotta be trolling.

Well, that answers my question. :-)
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2674 Posts
1 hour ago
#111725
On March 23 2026 16:17 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2026 22:57 KwarK wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:11 baal wrote:
You are using AI wrong, in your attempt to beat me the argument has flown over your head at least 3 times now, argue the point instead of going: "ackshually Hitler wasn't elected, the Nazi party, which he lead, was elected and named him prime minster, your argument is invalid you don't know history"

Getting baal to read a goddamn history book challenge, difficulty impossible.

Neither Hitler, nor the party he led, came to power through free elections. He came to power through appointment by Hindenburg. Literally anyone who has read any book about the rise to power of the Nazis knows this.


Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible.

The point:

-The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew.


I look forward to it being explained to you again by a variety of people.

Perhaps, if you want to be the ambassador of "good faith", you should approach the most charitable interpretation of the arguments presented to you instead of moving from "The stated intent of the Nazi party was never to exterminate the jews" to "The stated intent of the Nazi party prior to 1933 was never explicitly to murder all the jews" without any kind of "Hey sorry guys the thing I said was wrong, what I actually meant was X"

YOUR approach is very clearly not good faith. That said, despite your lacklustre approach I've appreciated the comments from Kwark and our resident Germans correcting you for their educational value. I don't often appreciate Kwark's posts, but he's had some solid, purely informative ones in response to you being wrong about stuff.

I also have a pretty limited understanding of Nazi Germany, so the corrections are welcome. Thanks to those who contributed!
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-23 08:46:00
1 hour ago
#111726
On March 22 2026 17:10 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 22 2026 16:45 KT_Elwood wrote:
Free speech:

"Charlie Kirk (right wing agitator) was a debateable character"

-> You lose your job <-

"Glad that Mueller (Former head of FBI) is dead, so he can no longer hurt innocent people"

-> You stay president"<-

Human rights and Geneva convention and the war:

"Make gas cheaper or we bomb civil infrastructure with our toilet starved aircraftcarrier that is also on fire"


It's time that Europe... finally... 'taxes' US tech, especially AI. Like make employers pay the same amount for social insurance for every install/license of CoPilot, ChadGPT... as they already are paying for the employee who uses them.

IF AI really replaces people, it should pay for their healthcare - or kill them, just be of consequence.


I'm sure Americans like it just as much as I like this post telling us what to do. Taxing employers for the use of AI is an absurd angle that'll immediately kill any homegrown innovation in the area, with a long-term impact of making Europe MORE reliant on US/China AI tech, not less.

There are about a million ways of doing this so it doesn't hurt local innovation and is a broader tax on US tech, most of which are under consideration by the EU, but they all have downsides that need to be considered. It isn't an easy problem. But charging social security fees for AI usage is nuts.


The "AI" I want to be "Taxed" can be bought only from US companies. Either directly or indirectly by building your own Datacenters with US technology.

The datacenters are a dystopian feverdream of having bodyless slaves generated by stolen ideas... that you rent out to customers, but can only exist in a billion dollar infrastructure that will have only a malvolent oligarchy owning them.

Right now it's a infinite Money powered idiocracy.. and if you "Tax" it... investors maybe kill 1/3 of the DOW and besides gas prices.. that's the only number that will make congress consider of finally taking action.

Also it totlaly fits the german problem of employees directly paying for current pensioners, while german companies move jobs abroad, creating more pensioners and pay less and less for pensioners.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10863 Posts
28 minutes ago
#111727
Is there a bigger idea behind this? Because taxing companies for using AI seems totally absurd. Why not tax companies that use Word, Excel, SAP or... Telephones when you are at it?
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10623 Posts
18 minutes ago
#111728
On March 22 2026 23:32 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:

Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance.


France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark...

The claim is that many people didn't know they were going to kill the jews when the Nazi party won not deep into the war you dunce.


Stop talking about Germany please. You have no clue about anything, and you apparently cannot understand complex situations.


And you dont seem to understand simple arguments

Look at that data. The November 1932 election was the last free election, so 1933 doesn't count. Yes, the Nazis were the biggest party. But they were also unable to form a coalition with any other party, so they couldn't create a government. We don't have FPTP in Germany, and didn't back then. In a parliamentary system, having 30% of the vote doesn't matter if you cannot convince another 20% to work with you.


Again, the claim is that a party who openly wants the mas killing of a race wouldn't get to power or be the most popular party in your own fucking country, unless you think one third of you German ancestors were mass murdering maniacs.

-------------------------------

Reading comprehension sucks in here so heres again for like the nth time, the claims were:

- Nazis didn't openly call for the mass murder of jews before the war, they were concealing their intentions since expulsion is more palatable for the public.

- Many jews and germans also didn't know that was their goal until it was too late.

Even if that were the case, it’s still a good use case for some kind of hate speech laws or similar mechanisms no?

Forgive me if I’m misremembering or misintepreting but wasn’t this tangent jumping off that discussion?


No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10623 Posts
15 minutes ago
#111729
On March 23 2026 16:59 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2026 15:21 baal wrote:
On March 22 2026 21:36 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 22 2026 20:18 baal wrote:
On March 22 2026 19:41 Simberto wrote:

Where do you walk from Germany or Poland and are safe? Literally the only place i can come up with is Switzerland. Everything else in Europe is full of Nazis at some point of the war. To get to safety, you need a ship, either to England or the US or some place like that. Those are not free. And funnily enough, the places you might get to to be safe actually denied you entrance.


France, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark...

You listed four countries. Out of those, only Switzerland wasn't occupied by the Nazis and didn't send the Jews to the camps. Are you really that dense?


LMAO at this point you ppl gotta be trolling.

Well, that answers my question. :-)


it does? because I've answered your question at least 3 times, so I guess I'll do it again.


The claim is they didn't know before the war started, not deep into the war when they conquered all those countries.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10623 Posts
10 minutes ago
#111730
On March 23 2026 17:22 KT_Elwood wrote:
The "AI" I want to be "Taxed" can be bought only from US companies. Either directly or indirectly by building your own Datacenters with US technology.

The datacenters are a dystopian feverdream of having bodyless slaves generated by stolen ideas... that you rent out to customers, but can only exist in a billion dollar infrastructure that will have only a malvolent oligarchy owning them.


Yeah US technology because it's absurdly hard to start tech companies in Europe because of luddites like you and that is why your continent is stagnant and being left behind.

"Computers will be so big and expensive only the 5 richest families in the world will be able to have them" moment lol
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