EPTWhat's wrong with maybenexttime's post? If your objective is to completely avoid the Nazis, then it doesn't make much sense to leave your Nazi-infested house just to walk over to your Nazi-infested neighbor's house.
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46160 Posts
What's wrong with maybenexttime's post? If your objective is to completely avoid the Nazis, then it doesn't make much sense to leave your Nazi-infested house just to walk over to your Nazi-infested neighbor's house. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24075 Posts
That may have been the SPD and their das kleinere Übel strat? | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 22 2026 22:57 KwarK wrote: Getting baal to read a goddamn history book challenge, difficulty impossible. Neither Hitler, nor the party he led, came to power through free elections. He came to power through appointment by Hindenburg. Literally anyone who has read any book about the rise to power of the Nazis knows this. Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible. The point: -The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5835 Posts
Well, that answers my question. :-) | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2774 Posts
On March 23 2026 16:17 baal wrote: Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible. The point: -The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew. I look forward to it being explained to you again by a variety of people. Perhaps, if you want to be the ambassador of "good faith", you should approach the most charitable interpretation of the arguments presented to you instead of moving from "The stated intent of the Nazi party was never to exterminate the jews" to "The stated intent of the Nazi party prior to 1933 was never explicitly to murder all the jews" without any kind of "Hey sorry guys the thing I said was wrong, what I actually meant was X" YOUR approach is very clearly not good faith. That said, despite your lacklustre approach I've appreciated the comments from Kwark and our resident Germans correcting you for their educational value. I don't often appreciate Kwark's posts, but he's had some solid, purely informative ones in response to you being wrong about stuff. I also have a pretty limited understanding of Nazi Germany, so the corrections are welcome. Thanks to those who contributed! | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1160 Posts
On March 22 2026 17:10 Acrofales wrote: I'm sure Americans like it just as much as I like this post telling us what to do. Taxing employers for the use of AI is an absurd angle that'll immediately kill any homegrown innovation in the area, with a long-term impact of making Europe MORE reliant on US/China AI tech, not less. There are about a million ways of doing this so it doesn't hurt local innovation and is a broader tax on US tech, most of which are under consideration by the EU, but they all have downsides that need to be considered. It isn't an easy problem. But charging social security fees for AI usage is nuts. The "AI" I want to be "Taxed" can be bought only from US companies. Either directly or indirectly by building your own Datacenters with US technology. The datacenters are a dystopian feverdream of having bodyless slaves generated by stolen ideas... that you rent out to customers, but can only exist in a billion dollar infrastructure that will have only a malvolent oligarchy owning them. Right now it's a infinite Money powered idiocracy.. and if you "Tax" it... investors maybe kill 1/3 of the DOW and besides gas prices.. that's the only number that will make congress consider of finally taking action. Also it totlaly fits the german problem of employees directly paying for current pensioners, while german companies move jobs abroad, creating more pensioners and pay less and less for pensioners. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10910 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 22 2026 23:32 WombaT wrote: Even if that were the case, it’s still a good use case for some kind of hate speech laws or similar mechanisms no? Forgive me if I’m misremembering or misintepreting but wasn’t this tangent jumping off that discussion? No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
it does? because I've answered your question at least 3 times, so I guess I'll do it again. The claim is they didn't know before the war started, not deep into the war when they conquered all those countries. | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 23 2026 17:22 KT_Elwood wrote: The "AI" I want to be "Taxed" can be bought only from US companies. Either directly or indirectly by building your own Datacenters with US technology. The datacenters are a dystopian feverdream of having bodyless slaves generated by stolen ideas... that you rent out to customers, but can only exist in a billion dollar infrastructure that will have only a malvolent oligarchy owning them. Yeah US technology because it's absurdly hard to start tech companies in Europe because of luddites like you and that is why your continent is stagnant and being left behind. "Computers will be so big and expensive only the 5 richest families in the world will be able to have them" moment lol | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On March 23 2026 17:01 Fleetfeet wrote: I look forward to it being explained to you again by a variety of people. Perhaps, if you want to be the ambassador of "good faith", you should approach the most charitable interpretation of the arguments presented to you instead of moving from "The stated intent of the Nazi party was never to exterminate the jews" to "The stated intent of the Nazi party prior to 1933 was never explicitly to murder all the jews" without any kind of "Hey sorry guys the thing I said was wrong, what I actually meant was X" I had to be more specific because people like Kwark were clinging to details instead of arguing the point. The point being that Nazis were vague and deceitful in their actual intent to mass murder, because mass murder is never a fucking popular campaign, obviously as the war developed their intentions become more and more clear. I don't give a fuck if 200k or 1M fled, or if Hitler made a speech on saturday nov 26 1943 at 3:22pm where he used a word that could be interpreted as kill, It's irrelevant to the point. If you believe everybody knew from the begging that means that Germans are ontologically evil where 1/3 of them thirsted for the blood of every jew in the continent, it's a ridiculous misreading of history that actually prevents to understanding any lessons of the holocaust. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1160 Posts
On March 23 2026 18:14 Velr wrote: Is there a bigger idea behind this? Because taxing companies for using AI seems totally absurd. Why not tax companies that use Word, Excel, SAP or... Telephones when you are at it? German companies and regular employees are forced to pay social insurance fees. When your new collegue is ChatGPT, ChatGPT should pay as well. I'd also tariff Word, Excel and SAP is already taxed for being a german company. Telephones used to be owned by Deutsche Bundespost - a government organization. We can go back to that ASAP. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2918 Posts
On March 23 2026 18:25 baal wrote: No, you don't kill an idea through censorship, on the contrary you make them powerful as a taboo, "sun light" disinfects, it kills bad ideas through talking about them and proving why and how they are bad ideas. If you want to make this argument, you should substantiate your points. For example, I'd like to hear your take on how "proving that something is a bad idea" "kills the bad idea". | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1160 Posts
On March 23 2026 18:33 baal wrote: Yeah US technology because it's absurdly hard to start tech companies in Europe because of luddites like you and that is why your continent is stagnant and being left behind. "Computers will be so big and expensive only the 5 richest families in the world will be able to have them" moment lol Meh, no, I like computah. I don't like computers as a service being controlled by a foreign country. Trump made TikTok be sold, because it was scary non US controlled social media. Make OpenAI and Microsoft sell their EU business into EU ownership - or tax/tariff it. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10910 Posts
Tax Google/Nvidia/Microsoft (tax their local earnings), no issue there but taxing "AI" like it's an entity is opening some strange doors I would assume you wouldn't like to be opened. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2918 Posts
On March 23 2026 18:45 baal wrote: I had to be more specific because people like Kwark were clinging to details instead of arguing the point. The point being that Nazis were vague and deceitful in their actual intent to mass murder, because mass murder is never a fucking popular campaign, obviously as the war developed their intentions become more and more clear. I don't give a fuck if 200k or 1M fled, or if Hitler made a speech on saturday nov 26 1943 at 3:22pm where he used a word that could be interpreted as kill, It's irrelevant to the point. If you believe everybody knew from the begging that means that Germans are ontologically evil where 1/3 of them thirsted for the blood of every jew in the continent, it's a ridiculous misreading of history that actually prevents to understanding any lessons of the holocaust. Wasn't the point about the use of antisemitic symbols and behaviours in online communications today? | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1160 Posts
On March 23 2026 19:07 Velr wrote: Because ChatGPT isn't a person, neither natural nor legal? Tax Google/Nvidia/Microsoft (tax their local earnings), no issue there but taxing "AI" like it's an entity is opening some strange doors I would assume you wouldn't like to be opened. Why exactly? Germany asks every employer to pay social insurance for employees, if AI "learns like humans, and doesn't need to respect copyrights" does the job now, it becomes the employee. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5185 Posts
Who is doing the accounting of which capital flows where and the portion that should stay in the lower regions of social status to maintain current living standards? We need to drill this into our politicians. Wealth inequality is bearable if living standard doesn't regress. However, governments nibbling at the edges of social comfort where mostly one or a few layers feel the pain (rich people don't need to regrees because they have the comfort of cash, is one argument), seems like a slippery slope where we don't know where we'll end up in. Will politicians have the foresight? Maybe... but I doubt it. Who will they actually protect when push comes to shove. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8121 Posts
On March 23 2026 16:17 baal wrote: Getting KwarK to argue the point challenge, difficulty impossible. The point: -The Nazi party was the biggest and most popular party in Germany at the time, if they were openly advocating for the mass murder of every jew they wouldn't be, unless you believe that 1/3 of German citizens were monsters and actually wanted to kill every jew. I’ve actually read Mein Kampf, it’s preeeetty unambiguous. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1430 Posts
Mistral is a good start, but if each of the EU nations had their own lab and started from the open weight available LLMs and trained them up and specialized them for use cases most important to local economies and then make these AIs available to businesses instead of having them pay exorbitant amounts to USA or Chinese companies in order to stay competitive on the world stage that would allow us to keep our AI sovereignty. This, of course, would NEED to go hand in hand with a divorce from USA tech giants, including replacing all of the Microsoft stack and providing companies with "EU OS" that would come preloaded with the MS software stack replacements for seamless transitions, it would also require going away from AWS, Google Cloud and Azure and instead investing in EU alternatives and building up Datacenter capacity. A lot of these things are stated by EU politicians as goals and something to strive for but it seems like there is a tremendous pressure fighting against it from huge multinationals and USA in general. A good example are attempts at creating the Digital Euro which is being attacked by bank conglomerates who, apparently love to be at the mercy of USA credit card companies, or, more realistically just like that we are as a world moving into the Cyberpunk Tech oligarchy where they will get a seat at the table while everyone else is in servitude. | ||
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