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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:39:05
January 23 2026 01:37 GMT
#109041
On January 23 2026 10:26 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:23 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:14 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.

Unpredictable is his play. He throws it out and the rest work around it.
Did he get tariff through? Yes. Same amount he shouted at? Nope.
Did he get NATO members to spend more? Yes. The amount he wants? Maybe, maybe not.
Did he get russia and ukraine on negotiation table? Yes. Same conditions he threw at ukraine at the start? Nope.

How many times you need to fall for it? It's 2026.

Is the table in the room with you now? You're the one who keeps falling for it.

He declares that he wants the moon. Then he shits his pants. Then he declares that he now has the moon. Then you declare that the shitting his pants was another masterstroke.

How much of the $350b cash payment Trump declared SK would pay the US for preferable trade treatment has been paid so far?

Have you ever haggle for anything before?
One dollar saving, an extra accessories gift, extra insurance length etc, is better than nothing.
Of all the deals he has made so far, even one pulling just 10% of what's achieved is better than 0%.

Do you consider trump gold card visa not getting all the big number he announced before, a loss even if it took in $1.3 billions?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3271 Posts
January 23 2026 01:38 GMT
#109042
On January 23 2026 10:23 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:14 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.

Unpredictable is his play. He throws it out and the rest work around it.
Did he get tariff through? Yes. Same amount he shouted at? Nope.
Did he get NATO members to spend more? Yes. The amount he wants? Maybe, maybe not.
Did he get russia and ukraine on negotiation table? Yes. Same conditions he threw at ukraine at the start? Nope.

How many times you need to fall for it? It's 2026. Don't tell me you gonna need it end of his terms to really get what's happening


The fucking guy is lying directly to your face and you think you're the smart one in this conversation because there's no depth of digging in his asshole you won't go to believe it. Cult behavior.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:41:35
January 23 2026 01:40 GMT
#109043
On January 23 2026 10:38 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:23 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:14 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.

Unpredictable is his play. He throws it out and the rest work around it.
Did he get tariff through? Yes. Same amount he shouted at? Nope.
Did he get NATO members to spend more? Yes. The amount he wants? Maybe, maybe not.
Did he get russia and ukraine on negotiation table? Yes. Same conditions he threw at ukraine at the start? Nope.

How many times you need to fall for it? It's 2026. Don't tell me you gonna need it end of his terms to really get what's happening


The fucking guy is lying directly to your face and you think you're the smart one in this conversation because there's no depth of digging in his asshole you won't go to believe it. Cult behavior.

He declared that he would end the Russian invasion of Ukraine within a week of the election in 2024. This nerd is declaring that Trump was successful because he may not have done that but at least Trump got Ukraine and Russia at the same table. Ukraine and Russia are not at the same table. Even the massively revised downwards goalposts he's insisting are somehow the same as the victory he initially declared didn't happen.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
January 23 2026 01:41 GMT
#109044
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2463 Posts
January 23 2026 01:43 GMT
#109045
The most fascinating thing of this Trump cult phenomenon is how some people are convinced all his stupidity is secretly a purposeful act to win “deals”. The man can’t pronounce countries (or states) correctly. He doesn’t know capital cities or world leaders names. He is dumb.

Like I get why people in his orbit who are directly benefiting or hope to directly benefit pretend. But all these random people on the internet who just read and believe memes without checking into them ever and even when pointed to actual sources are just like “no man that was his play all along” are fascinating.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3271 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:47:00
January 23 2026 01:46 GMT
#109046
Apropos to nothing, here's an excerpt from Brideshead Revisited by Evelyn Waugh:

Then again I asked him [a devout Roman Catholic]: ‘Supposing the Pope looked up and saw a cloud and said ‘It’s going to rain’, would that be bound to happen?’ ‘Oh, yes, Father.’ ‘But supposing it didn’t?’ He thought a moment and said, “I suppose it would be sort of raining spiritually, only we were too sinful to see it.’”
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:47:20
January 23 2026 01:47 GMT
#109047
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade for patriot or not. Greenland proves to be important.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
January 23 2026 01:47 GMT
#109048
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2463 Posts
January 23 2026 01:50 GMT
#109049
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist


Stop being foolish. Next your going to say that there is no wall between the US and Mexico stopping the caravans of migrants overwhelming the US or something even dumber like Mexico didn’t pay for it.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
January 23 2026 01:59 GMT
#109050
I sincerely hope none of the politicians are as retarded as you lot.
Evidence says otherwise. Or maybe better if they are all as literal as you, then we can just write world peace forever and sign it off.

Imagine trusting the word over a politician, any politician, so much so that taking the words literally. And not only that, also failing to see what the end result is.

Well that's probably what zelensky feel when he looks at EU, auch as you guys.
Maybe one day you'd start learning.
“Last year here in Davos, I ended my speech with the words: ‘Europe must know how to defend itself.’ A year has passed — and nothing has changed,” Volodymyr Zelensky said while speaking at the World Economic Forum.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:01:12
January 23 2026 02:00 GMT
#109051
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist

Yeah because it isn't built yet buddy. Replace it as "another upgrade to the patriot system" I'd that will get your head around the naming scheme
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:02:38
January 23 2026 02:01 GMT
#109052
On January 23 2026 11:00 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist

Yeah because it isn't built yet buddy. Replace it as "another upgrade to the patriot system" I'd that will get your head around the weird naming scheme fetish

So when you say it's a multilayer system and you say it hasn't been built how exactly are you reconciling those two? I would describe the number of layers the golden dome system has as approximately 0. Between zero and zero. That range.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:07:32
January 23 2026 02:06 GMT
#109053
On January 23 2026 11:01 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 11:00 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist

Yeah because it isn't built yet buddy. Replace it as "another upgrade to the patriot system" I'd that will get your head around the weird naming scheme fetish

So when you say it's a multilayer system and you say it hasn't been built how exactly are you reconciling those two? I would describe the number of layers the golden dome system has as approximately 0. Between zero and zero. That range.

If it's another upgrade to "patriot system" then it's not a zero.
If it's about to be built from ground up, then it's about to stop being a zero.
What's difficult to understand here?
What's your point?
That Greenland isn't important even when US wants to build the defense system in it?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3271 Posts
January 23 2026 02:07 GMT
#109054
On January 23 2026 10:59 ETisME wrote:
Imagine trusting the word over a politician, any politician, so much so that taking the words literally. And not only that, also failing to see what the end result is.


Honest question: do you believe it's possible for Trump to lie, or is everything he says that seems utterly contrary to objective fact simply true on a higher spiritual level?

And, are there any other politicians that benefit from this Papal infallibility, or is it just Trump?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:13:19
January 23 2026 02:10 GMT
#109055
On January 23 2026 11:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:59 ETisME wrote:
Imagine trusting the word over a politician, any politician, so much so that taking the words literally. And not only that, also failing to see what the end result is.


Honest question: do you believe it's possible for Trump to lie, or is everything he says that seems utterly contrary to objective fact simply true on a higher spiritual level?

And, are there any other politicians that benefit from this Papal infallibility, or is it just Trump?

He throws it out, others have to react to it.
That's literally how it works.

I think it's absurdly stupid if you think he had a chance to stop ukraine russia war, on a timer, like a switch

I think if you believe in it, you are stupid.
I think if you hold him accountable to it, you are not as smart as you think and I would even say you are more stupid than the first group.

I think US benefiting from all his policies so far, eg TSM factories being in the US, is benefiting the entire US interest and hence Japan and Taiwan.

I think Europe being called out over and over again, and being torn open is benefiting Europe in the long run.
Lots think Europe is just missing military strength, it's never been about that alone, it's both strength and will.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
January 23 2026 02:13 GMT
#109056
On January 23 2026 11:06 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 11:01 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 11:00 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist

Yeah because it isn't built yet buddy. Replace it as "another upgrade to the patriot system" I'd that will get your head around the weird naming scheme fetish

So when you say it's a multilayer system and you say it hasn't been built how exactly are you reconciling those two? I would describe the number of layers the golden dome system has as approximately 0. Between zero and zero. That range.

If it's another upgrade to "patriot system" then it's not a zero.
If it's about to be built from ground up, then it's about to stop being a zero.
What's difficult to understand here?
What's your point?
That Greenland isn't important even when US wants to build the defense system in it?

My point is that you just make things up when you decide that Trump needs a victory. And it's fucking weird.

Trump goes to great lengths to declare exactly what he wants. Normally it's something based on a ludicrous misunderstanding of the world, for example when he declares that there will be a tall wall going from coast to coast. Then a bunch of other people will attempt to translate for him and explain that when Trump says that he wants something insane then actually what he means is that he wants something completely different.

Then Trump gets asked if he really meant the completely different thing and he explains that no, he meant it entirely literally. They'll ask if he's sure and he'll put together some artwork showing a giant wall going from coast to coast and point at it and say "that, that's what I want, literally that, the wall in the picture, that's what we're getting".

Then when reality can't match his delusions he'll simply declare victory. He'll declare that the wall exists and you'll declare the wall an absolute triumph. People who live in reality will go "what wall?" at which you'll insist that well obviously the wall was never intended to exist as a physical wall. Until, of course, someone asks Trump about it, then he'll clarify that the wall is a literal physical wall and that it's working well.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:16:39
January 23 2026 02:14 GMT
#109057
On January 23 2026 11:13 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 11:06 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 11:01 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 11:00 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:47 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:41 Sermokala wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:01 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.

They do get shot down easily, We saw them get shot down easily. There is no such thing as a golden dome defence. It would literally just be another upgrade to the patriot system.

Where did you even read this.
Patriot-proof: More Russian missiles breaching Ukraine's US-made defences https://share.google/aq9e6rcyxS7BYYDdC
It's 6%

Golden dome is a multi layer system in a much wider area, doesn't matter if you think it's just another upgrade or not. Greenland proves to be important.

It
Doesn't
Exist

Yeah because it isn't built yet buddy. Replace it as "another upgrade to the patriot system" I'd that will get your head around the weird naming scheme fetish

So when you say it's a multilayer system and you say it hasn't been built how exactly are you reconciling those two? I would describe the number of layers the golden dome system has as approximately 0. Between zero and zero. That range.

If it's another upgrade to "patriot system" then it's not a zero.
If it's about to be built from ground up, then it's about to stop being a zero.
What's difficult to understand here?
What's your point?
That Greenland isn't important even when US wants to build the defense system in it?

My point is that you just make things up when you decide that Trump needs a victory. And it's fucking weird.

Trump goes to great lengths to declare exactly what he wants. Normally it's something based on a ludicrous misunderstanding of the world, for example when he declares that there will be a tall wall going from coast to coast. Then a bunch of other people will attempt to translate for him and explain that when Trump says that he wants something insane then actually what he means is that he wants something completely different.

Then Trump gets asked if he really meant the completely different thing and he explains that no, he meant it entirely literally. They'll ask if he's sure and he'll put together some artwork showing a giant wall going from coast to coast and point at it and say "that, that's what I want, literally that, the wall in the picture, that's what we're getting".

Then when reality can't match his delusions he'll simply declare victory. He'll declare that the wall exists and you'll declare the wall an absolute triumph. People who live in reality will go "what wall?" at which you'll insist that well obviously the wall was never intended to exist as a physical wall. Until, of course, someone asks Trump about it, then he'll clarify that the wall is a literal physical wall and that it's working well.

Again, it's ridiculous to take it literally.

If you think that's how he function, chances are you just ain't smart enough to tell the difference.

He throws things out and see how and where it lands. That's how it works. Throwing things out is an action, fact

Do you think he know how much exactly he would get from tariff even when he hasn't negotiated with other countries?
Does he know TSM will increase investment in the US for a certain before he negotiated?

You want to hold him accountable to that? Lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 02:18:47
January 23 2026 02:14 GMT
#109058
On January 23 2026 11:10 ETisME wrote:
I think it's absurdly stupid if you think he had a chance to stop ukraine russia war, on a timer, like a switch

I don't think that, he thinks that. He declared that. Repeatedly. Over and over. People like me who didn't understand how he could believe something so absurdly stupid kept asking him questions about it and he kept insisting that it would be easy to do, like a switch. Hundreds of times.
I’ll get that done within 24 hours. Everyone says, ‘Oh, no, you can’t.’ Absolutely I can. Absolutely I can


and then you show up and go "well obviously he didn't mean what he said when he looked at the camera and said 'I'm not being hyperbolic, I literally mean this', what he meant was that he'd get them at a table" and yet you can't even provide the table.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3271 Posts
January 23 2026 02:17 GMT
#109059
On January 23 2026 11:10 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 11:07 LightSpectra wrote:
On January 23 2026 10:59 ETisME wrote:
Imagine trusting the word over a politician, any politician, so much so that taking the words literally. And not only that, also failing to see what the end result is.


Honest question: do you believe it's possible for Trump to lie, or is everything he says that seems utterly contrary to objective fact simply true on a higher spiritual level?

And, are there any other politicians that benefit from this Papal infallibility, or is it just Trump?

He throws it out, others have to react to it.
That's literally how it works.

I think it's absurdly stupid if you think he had a chance to stop ukraine russia war, on a timer, like a switch

I think if you believe in it, you are stupid.
I think if you hold him accountable to it, you are not as smart as you think and I would even say you are more stupid than the first group.

I think US benefiting from all his policies so far, eg TSM factories being in the US, is benefiting the entire US interest and hence Japan and Taiwan.


Okay, so if you believe Trump's lies you're stupid, but you're even stupider if you behave like you're aware that he's lying. The only smart position is to pretend like you've completely fallen for obvious lies and have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. For example, people who killed themselves in suicide cults--those are the epitome of intelligence and we should emulate their behavior.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
January 23 2026 02:18 GMT
#109060
On January 23 2026 11:14 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 11:10 ETisME wrote:
I think it's absurdly stupid if you think he had a chance to stop ukraine russia war, on a timer, like a switch

I don't think that, he thinks that. He declared that. Repeatedly. Over and over. People like me who didn't understand how he could believe something so absurdly stupid kept asking him questions about it and he kept insisting that it would be easy to do, like a switch. Hundreds of times.

Yeah and you believed in it and want to hold him accountable.
who is the moron here?

And even then it's closer to a peace deal than ever before.
That's the important part.
You don't need 100% accuracy for it to be benfital.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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