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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44354 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-22 20:59:15
January 22 2026 20:15 GMT
#109021
Jimmy isn’t usual.

He doesn’t come across as a real human. It’s not just that his ideas aren’t coherent, there’s a void that implies no awareness of coherence. It’s like the AI generated recipes, there’s ingredients and steps but the AI doesn’t know what it means for a meal to be edible.

He’s not a conservative because he’s not a person. He’s closer to an early version of predictive text generator trained on idiots than a conservative human. Conservatives don’t Rocky IV, ice hockey, honorary guido, winter olympics, Reagan, magic the gathering crime ring, seinfeld, counterfeit dvd crime ring, doomsday clock, madonna, atlas shrugged, Chretien, WWE.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24372 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-22 20:29:11
January 22 2026 20:24 GMT
#109022
Trump seems to be the only person that ostensibly thinks Democrats are going to refuse to fund his Gestapo ICE without minimal (woefully inadequate imo) accountability measures like *checks notes* wearing identification.

President Trump predicted Thursday that the U.S. is likely headed toward another shutdown before the funding deadline at the end of January.

“I think we have a problem, because I think we’re going to probably end up in another Democrat shutdown,” Trump told host Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business’s “Mornings with Maria.”

“The [prior] shutdown cost us a lot, and I think they’ll probably do it again. That’s my feeling. We’ll see what happens,” he continued.

So far, there appears to be little appetite among Democrats for another shutdown.

Democrats in the House and the Senate have called for an overhaul of Immigration and Customs Enforcement after an officer fatally shot an unarmed woman in Minneapolis. Democrats say they will oppose the DHS bill unless it includes tougher oversight and conduct guidelines for ICE officers.


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5700793-trump-predicts-government-shutdown/

Sigh... feeling this old quote from ChristianS a lot today...

It feels like we’re all doing the math on our current velocity toward the cliff and distance from it and maximum braking force, but the math isn’t actually very hard. We just keep recalculating because the result we keep getting is unfathomable
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-22 20:33:41
January 22 2026 20:29 GMT
#109023
JimmyJRaynor seems to have accidentally gotten stuck wearing his 'above it all' mask. He's not 'above it all' because he's genuinely cool as a cucumber. He's terrified that if he stops "having a blast", the weight of reality will overwhelm him. He insists the system is "blessed" and "amazing" because his psyche requires it to feel safe.

That is why he pops in to drop these empty, weird posts that commonly have a happy face mixed in.
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
202 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-22 20:37:53
January 22 2026 20:34 GMT
#109024
On January 22 2026 17:02 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.


Median Salaries are up ~1.68% (and actually strongest at the middle class while the lowest gained little), but inflation is up 2.9% meaning they are effectively down ~1.2%. And while the middle class wages might have slightly outpaced upper class, the wealth levels tell a WILDLY different picture, with over 40% of the 12T in wealth going to the top 1%

Net worth levels (Q4 2024 → Q3 2025)
Top 0.1%: 22.48T → 24.89T (+2.40T, +10.7%)
Top 1%: 49.84T → 54.83T (+4.99T, +10.0%)]
90th–99th: 58.59T → 63.00T (+4.40T, +7.5%)
50th–90th: 48.43T → 50.84T (+2.41T, +5.0%)
Bottom 50%: 3.99T → 4.25T (+0.26T, +6.5%)

Economic expansion...GDP is up 4.3%, driven largely by tariffs (increases consumer spending + drives down imports), decreased investment, and increased government spending, none of which signal a healthy economy.

All numbers from BLS & FRED


You also have to look at specific inflation as well. Rent growth in a lot of east/west coast + midwest urban hubs from Kansas City to Newark are still like 3% per most real estate investor advice. Property and casualty insurance premiums rose by around 5% too, let’s not even talk about health insurance here.

Then you also have inflation of beef where auction prices in Oklahoma have increased by the high 30% from the start of 2025 to end of 2025. Which is obviously being felt by the consumer who can see obscenely priced steaks and ground meat at Publix.

And let’s not even start with consecutive price hikes in the consumer sphere ranging from every streaming service to Warhammer where Games Workshop has directly pointed out their rapid and consecutive price hikes in 2025 have mitigated the 6 billion GBP US tariffs hit had on their bottom line. Or WOTC doing shrinkflation and price adjustments with their sealed Magic the Gathering products.

Then we can talk about consumer electronics, there is no way the RAM and storage shortages fuelled by AI isn’t going to completely cook the price of everything in the year of our lord 2026. It already has cooked the PC industry in 2025, there’s a reason why Corsair has consistently screwed around with their customers buying anything involving RAM from individual RAM sticks to prebuilt desktops.

All of this hits consumers with less disposable income way harder than those with a lot of disposable income who are increasingly becoming the only people fuelling consumer spending. Everyone else is feeling poor as shit.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 22 2026 20:37 GMT
#109025
On January 23 2026 05:34 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2026 17:02 decafchicken wrote:
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.


Median Salaries are up ~1.68% (and actually strongest at the middle class while the lowest gained little), but inflation is up 2.9% meaning they are effectively down ~1.2%. And while the middle class wages might have slightly outpaced upper class, the wealth levels tell a WILDLY different picture, with over 40% of the 12T in wealth going to the top 1%

Net worth levels (Q4 2024 → Q3 2025)
Top 0.1%: 22.48T → 24.89T (+2.40T, +10.7%)
Top 1%: 49.84T → 54.83T (+4.99T, +10.0%)]
90th–99th: 58.59T → 63.00T (+4.40T, +7.5%)
50th–90th: 48.43T → 50.84T (+2.41T, +5.0%)
Bottom 50%: 3.99T → 4.25T (+0.26T, +6.5%)

Economic expansion...GDP is up 4.3%, driven largely by tariffs (increases consumer spending + drives down imports), decreased investment, and increased government spending, none of which signal a healthy economy.

All numbers from BLS & FRED


You also have to look at specific inflation as well. Rent growth in a lot of east/west coast + midwest urban hubs from Kansas City to Newark are still like 3% per most real estate investor advice. Property and casualty insurance premiums rose by around 5% too, let’s not even talk about health insurance here.

Then you also have inflation of beef where auction prices in Oklahoma have increased by the high 30% from the start of 2025 to end of 2025. Which is obviously being felt by the consumer who can see obscenely priced steaks and ground meat at Publix.

And let’s not even start with consecutive price hikes in the consumer sphere ranging from every streaming service to Warhammer where Games Workshop has directly pointed out their rapid and consecutive price hikes in 2025 have mitigated the 6 billion GBP US tariffs hit had on their bottom line. Or WOTC doing shrinkflation and price adjustments with their sealed Magic the Gathering products.

All of this hits consumers with less disposable income way harder than those with a lot of disposable income who are increasingly becoming the only people fueling consumer spending. Everyone else is feeling poor as shit.



Yeah, I calculated "actual" inflation for me and my family after an incredible amount of effort. Comparing September 2022 to September 2025, my costs increased by 36%.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
January 22 2026 20:42 GMT
#109026
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.

Now, in some fancy diagram i saw on Fox News they showed the path of a mythical "intercontinental ballistic missile" leaving the Soviet Union and going over the arctic circle, over Nuuk Greenland, across Quebec, over Montreal and then hitting Washington DC. This is the reason the USA must have ownership of Greenland. Ok, great.

By this same logic shouldn't Trump demand US ownership of Montreal?

If he gets a 6.75 out of 10 for you what is your stance on his invasion of minnesota with masked armed squads that invade peoples homes without warant and kidnap anyone who has the wrong skin color?

They kidnapped a 5 year old kid to el paso after useing him as bait to get people to leave their homes and you give him a 6.75 out of 10 for ordering it to happen.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
January 22 2026 20:42 GMT
#109027
On January 23 2026 05:34 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2026 17:02 decafchicken wrote:
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.


Median Salaries are up ~1.68% (and actually strongest at the middle class while the lowest gained little), but inflation is up 2.9% meaning they are effectively down ~1.2%. And while the middle class wages might have slightly outpaced upper class, the wealth levels tell a WILDLY different picture, with over 40% of the 12T in wealth going to the top 1%

Net worth levels (Q4 2024 → Q3 2025)
Top 0.1%: 22.48T → 24.89T (+2.40T, +10.7%)
Top 1%: 49.84T → 54.83T (+4.99T, +10.0%)]
90th–99th: 58.59T → 63.00T (+4.40T, +7.5%)
50th–90th: 48.43T → 50.84T (+2.41T, +5.0%)
Bottom 50%: 3.99T → 4.25T (+0.26T, +6.5%)

Economic expansion...GDP is up 4.3%, driven largely by tariffs (increases consumer spending + drives down imports), decreased investment, and increased government spending, none of which signal a healthy economy.

All numbers from BLS & FRED


You also have to look at specific inflation as well. Rent growth in a lot of east/west coast + midwest urban hubs from Kansas City to Newark are still like 3% per most real estate investor advice. Property and casualty insurance premiums rose by around 5% too, let’s not even talk about health insurance here.

Then you also have inflation of beef where auction prices in Oklahoma have increased by the high 30% from the start of 2025 to end of 2025. Which is obviously being felt by the consumer who can see obscenely priced steaks and ground meat at Publix.

And let’s not even start with consecutive price hikes in the consumer sphere ranging from every streaming service to Warhammer where Games Workshop has directly pointed out their rapid and consecutive price hikes in 2025 have mitigated the 6 billion GBP US tariffs hit had on their bottom line. Or WOTC doing shrinkflation and price adjustments with their sealed Magic the Gathering products.

Then we can talk about consumer electronics, there is no way the RAM and storage shortages fuelled by AI isn’t going to completely cook the price of everything in the year of our lord 2026. It already has cooked the PC industry in 2025, there’s a reason why Corsair has consistently screwed around with their customers buying anything involving RAM from individual RAM sticks to prebuilt desktops.

All of this hits consumers with less disposable income way harder than those with a lot of disposable income who are increasingly becoming the only people fuelling consumer spending. Everyone else is feeling poor as shit.


Yeah it seemed like a waste of nuance to go into considering the only thing he took away from my post is he doesn't think government spending increased despite it hitting a record $7T last year
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44354 Posts
January 22 2026 20:55 GMT
#109028
On January 23 2026 05:42 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 05:34 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
On January 22 2026 17:02 decafchicken wrote:
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.


Median Salaries are up ~1.68% (and actually strongest at the middle class while the lowest gained little), but inflation is up 2.9% meaning they are effectively down ~1.2%. And while the middle class wages might have slightly outpaced upper class, the wealth levels tell a WILDLY different picture, with over 40% of the 12T in wealth going to the top 1%

Net worth levels (Q4 2024 → Q3 2025)
Top 0.1%: 22.48T → 24.89T (+2.40T, +10.7%)
Top 1%: 49.84T → 54.83T (+4.99T, +10.0%)]
90th–99th: 58.59T → 63.00T (+4.40T, +7.5%)
50th–90th: 48.43T → 50.84T (+2.41T, +5.0%)
Bottom 50%: 3.99T → 4.25T (+0.26T, +6.5%)

Economic expansion...GDP is up 4.3%, driven largely by tariffs (increases consumer spending + drives down imports), decreased investment, and increased government spending, none of which signal a healthy economy.

All numbers from BLS & FRED


You also have to look at specific inflation as well. Rent growth in a lot of east/west coast + midwest urban hubs from Kansas City to Newark are still like 3% per most real estate investor advice. Property and casualty insurance premiums rose by around 5% too, let’s not even talk about health insurance here.

Then you also have inflation of beef where auction prices in Oklahoma have increased by the high 30% from the start of 2025 to end of 2025. Which is obviously being felt by the consumer who can see obscenely priced steaks and ground meat at Publix.

And let’s not even start with consecutive price hikes in the consumer sphere ranging from every streaming service to Warhammer where Games Workshop has directly pointed out their rapid and consecutive price hikes in 2025 have mitigated the 6 billion GBP US tariffs hit had on their bottom line. Or WOTC doing shrinkflation and price adjustments with their sealed Magic the Gathering products.

Then we can talk about consumer electronics, there is no way the RAM and storage shortages fuelled by AI isn’t going to completely cook the price of everything in the year of our lord 2026. It already has cooked the PC industry in 2025, there’s a reason why Corsair has consistently screwed around with their customers buying anything involving RAM from individual RAM sticks to prebuilt desktops.

All of this hits consumers with less disposable income way harder than those with a lot of disposable income who are increasingly becoming the only people fuelling consumer spending. Everyone else is feeling poor as shit.


Yeah it seemed like a waste of nuance to go into considering the only thing he took away from my post is he doesn't think government spending increased despite it hitting a record $7T last year

He also declared that local production was up and imports down. The balance of trade deficit with China has never been higher.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5872 Posts
January 22 2026 21:11 GMT
#109029
On January 23 2026 05:42 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2026 12:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 22 2026 07:20 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 22 2026 06:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Donald Trump has won again! Another victory for the greatest leader in the history of leaders and the history of greatness!
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/21/trump-greenland-tariffs-nato-00739429

Trump is going to get some mineral and resource guarantees along with a restatement of what already exists. LOL. I said that at the start. If Trump is the greatest of all American leaders (other than Vince Lombardi) i guess I'm the Kreskin of Nostradamouses...meh.

Trump did win in getting so many NATO countries to spend 5% of GDP on military. THat was a while ago though. Its always good to double and triple count your wins i guess?

They're popping champagne over at Fox News

How? By siding with Russia? Such a great victory. Win Putin's favor and lose all your allies.
Didn't you vote for this dumbfuck?

relax man. try not to take a maudlin old man's theatrics too seriously. i'm not a 1 issue voter. i'm moderately pleased with the work the team around Trump has done over the past year. The federal government gets a 6.75/10 from me in year 1. Median salaries are up... blue collar worker pay is rising faster than white collar pay. The average working man is benefiting from the moderate economic expansion in 2025.

Now, in some fancy diagram i saw on Fox News they showed the path of a mythical "intercontinental ballistic missile" leaving the Soviet Union and going over the arctic circle, over Nuuk Greenland, across Quebec, over Montreal and then hitting Washington DC. This is the reason the USA must have ownership of Greenland. Ok, great.

By this same logic shouldn't Trump demand US ownership of Montreal?

If he gets a 6.75 out of 10 for you what is your stance on his invasion of minnesota with masked armed squads that invade peoples homes without warant and kidnap anyone who has the wrong skin color?

They kidnapped a 5 year old kid to el paso after useing him as bait to get people to leave their homes and you give him a 6.75 out of 10 for ordering it to happen.

That got him this extra 0.75. Otherwise it would've been 6/10.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 00:03:30
January 22 2026 23:44 GMT
#109030
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46489 Posts
January 23 2026 00:18 GMT
#109031
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 00:33:23
January 23 2026 00:26 GMT
#109032
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3273 Posts
January 23 2026 00:34 GMT
#109033
Greenland would've let them build that without any of the antagonism, the U.S. literally already has a military base there. To say nothing of the fact that it's a pretty open secret the "Golden Dome" won't do jack shit for anyone.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44354 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 00:50:14
January 23 2026 00:46 GMT
#109034
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
January 23 2026 00:54 GMT
#109035
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:12:47
January 23 2026 00:59 GMT
#109036
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:01:45
January 23 2026 01:01 GMT
#109037
On January 23 2026 09:54 Sermokala wrote:
Hypersonic missles were shot down easily by last gen patriots after they were fired from short range. ICBM's guarantee a world ending scenario if they are ever effectively countered by some defense.

Hypersonic missiles do not get shot down easily.
Especially not as easily as a golden dome defense where the interception will have a much higher success rate.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44354 Posts
January 23 2026 01:14 GMT
#109038
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12888 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:25:17
January 23 2026 01:23 GMT
#109039
On January 23 2026 10:14 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.

Unpredictable is his play. He throws it out and the rest work around it.
Did he get tariff through? Yes. Same amount he shouted at? Nope.
Did he get NATO members to spend more? Yes. The amount he wants? Maybe, maybe not.
Did he get russia and ukraine on negotiation table? Yes. Same conditions he threw at ukraine at the start? Nope.

How many times you need to fall for it? It's 2026. Don't tell me you gonna need it end of his terms to really get what's happening
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44354 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-01-23 01:33:24
January 23 2026 01:26 GMT
#109040
On January 23 2026 10:23 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2026 10:14 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:59 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:46 KwarK wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:26 ETisME wrote:
On January 23 2026 09:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 23 2026 08:44 ETisME wrote:
Looks like Zelensky is also fed up with the inaction and PR talk from Europe.
Zelensky tells Davos Europe stuck in 'Groundhog Day' of inaction https://share.google/
He also used Maduro as an example of action.

Not surprised, he even used Greenland as an example just how bad the "14, 40 soldiers" look, even as a symbolic deployment

If the entire thing with Greenland works out, US golden dome defense would be in a great position. I would be interested to see if Canada would be or should be included at this point.

Board of peace should settle middle east, given the members signed up so far, and potentially russia/ukraine, then US can keep a closer eye and attention to China and Taiwan.
Largest arms deal package and additional allocate funding to Taiwan already.
Japan is poised to increase tie with Taiwan significantly under Takaichi as well.

Next couple of years gonna be interesting.

If board of peace prove to be more effective/actionable, then I can see it making UN obsolete tbh.

I also find it funny when Canada trying to ramp up European allies against the US about Greenland in Davos, the entire Greenland deal is already closed to getting resolved lol

In what way? What do you think will come out of the deal?

Trump's interest in Greenland isn't territorial, which makes it even more funny Europeans sensing troops over there.

the golden dome is a key to defend the US from more advanced missiles including hyper sonic missiles and potential missiles from space.
Greenland plays a big role there. It can stop missiles from China and russia before they reach early boost, making it much more effective and easy to block.

I am plenty sure Europeans allies know what US wants, they just don't want to get outed about how under prepared they are about Greenland strategic position importance.

Trump specified that his interest was explicitly territorial and that he wouldn’t accept anything less than a direct transfer of ownership. That was what he needed, anything else would be unacceptable, a failure. Also the golden dome isn’t real and the tech it will be built on doesn’t exist. He just heard Israel had an iron dome and wanted a shinier dome for himself.

You do this thing where whenever Trump is involved you just make up what he wants so that you can declare failure as victory.

You say it is close to being resolved, only because Trump has fully surrendered. The initial positions were irreconcilable, Trump wanted ownership, Denmark was unable to give that. They remained irreconcilable throughout the dispute while Trump steadily escalated his threatening rhetoric and his threats of economic warfare. The only reason the positions are no longer irreconcilable is because Trump surrendered.

I honestly don't understand how some of you are interpreting Trump so literally.
This isn't even his first term, come on.

FYI
How Greenland could become China's Arctic base - BBC News https://share.google/2Y9fPOoCOQyvN4YGF

This was in 2018. This is also why Denmark influence over Greenland has fallen off significantly over the years.

Because he clarified over and over that he meant it literally whenever his advisors attempted to "translate" on his behalf and say that he didn't mean it literally.

Unpredictable is his play. He throws it out and the rest work around it.
Did he get tariff through? Yes. Same amount he shouted at? Nope.
Did he get NATO members to spend more? Yes. The amount he wants? Maybe, maybe not.
Did he get russia and ukraine on negotiation table? Yes. Same conditions he threw at ukraine at the start? Nope.

How many times you need to fall for it? It's 2026.

Is the table in the room with you now? You're the one who keeps falling for it.

He declares that he wants the moon. Then he shits his pants. Then he declares that he now has the moon. Then you declare that the shitting his pants was another masterstroke.

How much of the $350b cash payment Trump declared SK would pay the US for preferable trade treatment has been paid so far?
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