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On January 23 2026 11:17 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:10 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:07 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 10:59 ETisME wrote:
Imagine trusting the word over a politician, any politician, so much so that taking the words literally. And not only that, also failing to see what the end result is. Honest question: do you believe it's possible for Trump to lie, or is everything he says that seems utterly contrary to objective fact simply true on a higher spiritual level? And, are there any other politicians that benefit from this Papal infallibility, or is it just Trump? He throws it out, others have to react to it. That's literally how it works. I think it's absurdly stupid if you think he had a chance to stop ukraine russia war, on a timer, like a switch I think if you believe in it, you are stupid. I think if you hold him accountable to it, you are not as smart as you think and I would even say you are more stupid than the first group. I think US benefiting from all his policies so far, eg TSM factories being in the US, is benefiting the entire US interest and hence Japan and Taiwan. Okay, so if you believe Trump's lies you're stupid, but you're even stupider if you behave like you're aware that he's lying. The only smart position is to pretend like you've completely fallen for obvious lies and have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. For example, people who killed themselves in suicide cults--those are the epitome of intelligence and we should emulate their behavior.
I never fallen for his lies because I don't take his word literally.
Whether xyz happens or not and how depends on the process.
He doesn't have a crystal ball. He however makes it clear something is of high interest for the US and see what can be done.
And others have to react to it.
If this doesn't work for you, then just leave politics topic all together. Please.
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I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump?
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On January 23 2026 11:18 ETisME wrote:
And even then it's closer to a peace deal than ever before.
That reminds me of a previous exchange of ours.
You declared them to be on the verge of a peace deal. I said that you were wrong and painstakingly walked you through the incompatibility of their positions and the inevitably of the conflict continuing when there are two parties with completely incompatible requirements for peace. You said that there is no obstacle to peace. I explained that there were obstacles. You said that we're almost there, on the verge of peace. I said that every day that the war continues your theory that we're on the verge of peace is disproved and you hit back with On November 27 2025 09:59 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2025 09:47 KwarK wrote:
Assuming no massive battlefield reversals, after how many more months of war will you concede that you’re an idiot? Again. Negotiation is a process. This is happening and have been happening many times. I can't be wrong.
You declared that we're close to a peace deal and it doesn't matter how longer the war goes on for, the belief in the closeness is unchanged.
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On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump?
All politicians lie.
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On January 23 2026 11:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:18 ETisME wrote:
And even then it's closer to a peace deal than ever before. That reminds me of a previous exchange of ours. You declared them to be on the verge of a peace deal. I said that you were wrong and painstakingly walked you through the incompatibility of their positions and the inevitably of the conflict continuing when there are two parties with completely incompatible requirements for peace. You said that there is no obstacle to peace. I explained that there were obstacles. You said that we're almost there, on the verge of peace. I said that every day that the war continues your theory that we're on the verge of peace is disproved and you hit back with Show nested quote +On November 27 2025 09:59 ETisME wrote:On November 27 2025 09:47 KwarK wrote:
Assuming no massive battlefield reversals, after how many more months of war will you concede that you’re an idiot? Again. Negotiation is a process. This is happening and have been happening many times. I can't be wrong. You declared that we're close to a peace deal and it doesn't matter how longer the war goes on for, the belief in the closeness is unchanged.
Have you read the news today?
www-aljazeera-com.cdn.ampproject.org https://share.google/WeyiX8hoVsuclmuuX
It's happening because EUROPE has proved it cannot replace US, hence Zelensky harsh words to EUROPE at Davos.
No one should believe Russia or Ukraine will fight till one completely gives up by collapsing, except some high fantasy novel at this point.
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On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie.
That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump?
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On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump?
Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all.
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On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all.
You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth.
He’ll declare victory and state exactly what he won. You’ll show up here and congratulate Trump on his victory. Someone will point out that he didn’t actually get those things at which point you’ll explain that Trump’s victory is in no way impacted by the non existence of the things that he used as the basis of his declaration of victory and that anybody expecting the things that he uses as the basis of his declaration of victory is silly for believing in them but you’re smart and that’s why you know that they’re not real but the victory is still real even though there’s no evidence for it.
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So if you're aware all politicians lie, how are you determining that the Golden Dome is a real thing and the USA definitely needs to control Greenland to deploy it?
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On January 23 2026 11:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all. You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth.
Until they switch, then the new ones are true. It is all within the framework of the plan.
But for real is "faith". Trump people have unshakable faith that he is on their team. So his obvious lies, grifting, and acting like a fool are all part of his mystique. Then you have this multi-layered media infrastructure explaining how whatever he says now is actually the truth and whatever he did or said before was strategy. As long as you keep the faith you get to keep "winning" internet arguments. At any point if you lose the faith, that is an absolute shit ton to unpack and very few are willing to do it.
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On January 23 2026 11:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all. You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth. He’ll declare victory and state exactly what he won. You’ll show up here and congratulate Trump on his victory. Someone will point out that he didn’t actually get those things at which point you’ll explain that Trump’s victory is in no way impacted by the non existence of the things that he used as the basis of his declaration of victory and that anybody expecting the things that he uses as the basis of his declaration of victory is silly for believing in them but you’re smart and that’s why you know that they’re not real but the victory is still real even though there’s no evidence for it.
I didn't insist it's true.
I said I don't take it literally.
a win is a win.
I just don't look at his forecast number vs his actual when his actual is already better than 0.
I wouldn't think a positive position a loss.
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On January 23 2026 11:31 LightSpectra wrote:
So if you're aware all politicians lie, how are you determining that the Golden Dome is a real thing and the USA definitely needs to control Greenland to deploy it?
I would love your idea what NATO talked to the US about Greenland then.
The Golden Dome may and could work without Greenland, but it gives it a much stronger defense capability.
I think it's quite logical to make this conclusion.
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On January 23 2026 11:40 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:30 KwarK wrote:On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all. You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth. He’ll declare victory and state exactly what he won. You’ll show up here and congratulate Trump on his victory. Someone will point out that he didn’t actually get those things at which point you’ll explain that Trump’s victory is in no way impacted by the non existence of the things that he used as the basis of his declaration of victory and that anybody expecting the things that he uses as the basis of his declaration of victory is silly for believing in them but you’re smart and that’s why you know that they’re not real but the victory is still real even though there’s no evidence for it. I didn't insist it's true. I said I don't take it literally.
Only when called out. You declare he won and then when challenged you declare that while he won the criteria by which that victory could be measured aren’t literal.
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It can’t be a scam because it’s literally a multilayered system.
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On January 23 2026 11:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:40 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:30 KwarK wrote:On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all. You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth. He’ll declare victory and state exactly what he won. You’ll show up here and congratulate Trump on his victory. Someone will point out that he didn’t actually get those things at which point you’ll explain that Trump’s victory is in no way impacted by the non existence of the things that he used as the basis of his declaration of victory and that anybody expecting the things that he uses as the basis of his declaration of victory is silly for believing in them but you’re smart and that’s why you know that they’re not real but the victory is still real even though there’s no evidence for it. I didn't insist it's true. I said I don't take it literally. Only when called out. You declare he won and then when challenged you declare that while he won the criteria by which that victory could be measured aren’t literal.
Yes because a closer to peace deal is a win. US getting TSM expanded capacity is a win.
I just don't quantify the win needing to match Trump's timeline or numbers.
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On January 23 2026 11:52 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2026 11:45 KwarK wrote:On January 23 2026 11:40 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:30 KwarK wrote:On January 23 2026 11:28 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:26 LightSpectra wrote:On January 23 2026 11:25 ETisME wrote:On January 23 2026 11:22 LightSpectra wrote:
I asked before and you didn't answer, do all politicians have this sort of Papal infallibility against lying because there's always some deeper spiritual truth behind what they actually say, or is it just Trump? All politicians lie. That's not what I asked. Are you a moron for trying to hold any politician accountable for lies, or is it just Trump? Depends on what lies then. I also think it depends if the lie deserve much attention at all. You constantly insist Trump’s lies are the truth. He’ll declare victory and state exactly what he won. You’ll show up here and congratulate Trump on his victory. Someone will point out that he didn’t actually get those things at which point you’ll explain that Trump’s victory is in no way impacted by the non existence of the things that he used as the basis of his declaration of victory and that anybody expecting the things that he uses as the basis of his declaration of victory is silly for believing in them but you’re smart and that’s why you know that they’re not real but the victory is still real even though there’s no evidence for it. I didn't insist it's true. I said I don't take it literally. Only when called out. You declare he won and then when challenged you declare that while he won the criteria by which that victory could be measured aren’t literal. Yes because a closer to peace deal is a win. US getting TSM expanded capacity is a win. I just don't quantify the win needing to match Trump's timeline or numbers.
So if Trump says “I’m going to lower the deficit by $1T, anything less than that is a failure” and then Trump declares victory on the basis of increasing the deficit by $3T then you could happily cheer for Trump’s victory while insisting that you’re measuring it by non literal criteria.
Trump says he’ll literally end the war but you declare the effort a success based on a table. When pushed you can’t provide the table. It is not a literal table, it is the concept of a table. But you stand by the analysis.
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We're literally always closer to a peace deal because that's how linear time works. We could have no president because the USA sunk into the Earth's core and still be closer to a peace deal.
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On January 23 2026 11:56 LightSpectra wrote:
We're literally always closer to a peace deal because that's how linear time works. We could have no president because the USA sunk into the Earth's core and still be closer to a peace deal.
Not for Kwark though. Peace deal isn't an option.
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