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Sermokala
United States14073 Posts
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Vivax
22140 Posts
Makes you wonder where you‘d be potentially safe from the ramifications of the dumbest timeline. These are full out examples for the banality of evil. You know you should do something about it but the system got you in such a tight grip that there‘s almost no way for you to react without some sacrifice. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23569 Posts
On January 07 2026 07:15 Vivax wrote: Having to watch the geopolitical situation unfold while bound in a daily rhythm and still read bickering about relative trivialities is unsettling. Makes you wonder where you‘d be potentially safe from the ramifications of the dumbest timeline. These are full out examples for the banality of evil. You know you should do something about it but the system got you in such a tight grip that there‘s almost no way for you to react without some sacrifice. We're definitely supposed to be having a general strike, but the designated opposition doesn't understand politics/society in that way. EDIT: The "don't follow illegal orders" thing is the closest we have, but they can't seem to find any illegal orders the troops shouldn't be following. | ||
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Billyboy
1374 Posts
On January 07 2026 07:22 GreenHorizons wrote: We're definitely supposed to be having a general strike, but the designated opposition doesn't understand politics/society in that way. If only someone spent 15 mins creating a google form to get people to sign up, then we would have socialism and the world would be perfect without evil or corruption. Like the USSR, Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea and so on would be without those pesky capitalists around to screw it all up. | ||
KwarK
United States43444 Posts
On January 07 2026 07:22 GreenHorizons wrote: We're definitely supposed to be having a general strike, but the designated opposition doesn't understand politics/society in that way. EDIT: The "don't follow illegal orders" thing is the closest we have, but they can't seem to find any illegal orders the troops shouldn't be following. Are you on strike? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1965 Posts
Which isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that GH would change their mind about it when they could no longer blame Democrats for not doing it, just like how they liked Mamdani because most Democrats didn't endorse him but changed their mind after most Democrats did end up endorsing him. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23569 Posts
On January 07 2026 09:45 LightSpectra wrote: If we had a general strike it would take 0.04 minutes before tankies said it was compromised by libs and actively worked to undermine it. Maybe they would (like anyone would care, lol?), but we'd have a general strike and that'd be a helluva lot better than what we have now. A hapless, leaderless, rudderless, mess of a party with no hope EDIT to your edit: Which isn't to say it's a bad idea, just that GH would change their mind about it when they could no longer blame Democrats for not doing it, just like how they liked Mamdani because most Democrats didn't endorse him but changed their mind after most Democrats did end up endorsing him. Supporting something doesn't mean you can't be critical of it. That's essentially every Democrat supporter here's position That said, I hereby promise that if Democrats rally for a mass general strike (more than ~10 million people minimum is necessary imo) before the midterms, not only will I hold my tongue on criticizing them, I'll work harder to get them elected than anyone here. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1965 Posts
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KwarK
United States43444 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23569 Posts
On January 07 2026 10:12 KwarK wrote: What would the demands for such a strike be? It can’t be that Trump step down, that’d be a waste of a strike, there’s no compromising with the regime on the future of the regime. It’s got to be something the regime can actually give the strikers in return for the strikers returning to work. Some policy reversal. This is as far as we got, but I'm open to amending (some are clearly in order), starting from scratch, or whatever people are into? On April 14 2025 14:27 GreenHorizons wrote: Maybe "A scientific socialist New Deal"? I know some people will want us to drop the term "socialist", but I think it's fine for now for clearly communicating among people here that aren't allergic to the term themselves. So, as amended, it would be:+ Show Spoiler + Must Have: Unprecedented wealth redistribution along with policy that prevents it from undoing itself Wants: A scientific socialist New Deal Deal Breaker No/Can't Demand: Entrenching inequities That would bring the General Strike Demands (in progress, and in no particular order) to: Must Haves: 1. Immediate removal of Musk from gov, Doge cease and desist with special investigation 2. Immediate return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia 3. Unprecedented wealth redistribution along with policy that prevents it from undoing itself Wants: 1. Removal of state of emergency and rollback of economic executive overreach. 2. Immediate cease and desist on extra-judicial deportations. 3. The protection of Mahmoud Khalil's rights 4. A scientific socialist New Deal Deal Breaker No/Can't Demand: 1. Military support of Israel. 2. More police funding/cop cities 3. Entrenching inequities We can work on the language more as a group when we have maybe ~6-12-6 of each if you don't mind? | ||
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KwarK
United States43444 Posts
That’s why general strikes rely upon organized labour movements. They need to be able to rally and discipline their members, their members need a sense of community, they need to support each other, they need to be afraid of letting the group down, and they need a very healthy union war chest to pay members while the strike continues. If my union brothers were on strike and I were on the picket lines with them daily sharing the struggle then I would have to be desperate to scab. But if the only group I was afraid of letting down was the Democratic Party? If every day I got a newsblast tweet from Hillary letting me know that she valued my striking and that she and Bill were with me in spirit? That’s not going to cut it. You can’t jump past all the ground work needed to make a general strike happen. You need an organized labour movement first. Only then can labour act collectively to wield political power. If you want Musk out of politics then your odds are infinitely better using more direct means. But you don’t want to hear that because it puts the responsibility on you and you don’t want responsibility, you want to blame Democrats for your inaction. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23569 Posts
On January 07 2026 10:43 KwarK wrote: + Show Spoiler + You’re not getting Trump to give you those with a general strike. The people will cross the pickets long before you get that. That’s why general strikes rely upon organized labour movements. They need to be able to rally and discipline their members, their members need a sense of community, they need to support each other, they need to be afraid of letting the group down, and they need a very healthy union war chest to pay members while the strike continues. If my union brothers were on strike and I were on the picket lines with them daily sharing the struggle then I would have to be desperate to scab. But if the only group I was afraid of letting down was the Democratic Party? If every day I got a newsblast tweet from Hillary letting me know that she valued my striking and that she and Bill were with me in spirit? That’s not going to cut it. You can’t jump past all the ground work needed to make a general strike happen. You need an organized labour movement first. Only then can labour act collectively to wield political power. If you want Musk out of politics then your odds are infinitely better using more direct means. Suppose I deserve that for thinking you were asking in good faith. | ||
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KwarK
United States43444 Posts
On January 07 2026 10:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Suppose I deserve that for thinking you were asking in good faith. Whatever helps you justify another day of doing nothing. Personally I could never stand idle in the face of genocide the way you do but I guess that’s what makes me a literal abolitionist and you a self proclaimed baton wielding brownshirt. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7949 Posts
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Vivax
22140 Posts
This isn‘t just Trump though. His advisors are relevant. Not going to be a prolonged war like Vietnam either so the desired effect on the economy as a side motive remains questionable… Is the US population so easily receptive to the warmongering propaganda ? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10831 Posts
They are very weak minded people that would do anything to please daddy. I highly recommend to read Introverts post with this in mind, it makes everything so much easier to understand. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
We have always been at war with Eurasia | ||
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pmh
1395 Posts
On January 07 2026 09:49 GreenHorizons wrote: Maybe they would (like anyone would care, lol?), but we'd have a general strike and that'd be a helluva lot better than what we have now. A hapless, leaderless, rudderless, mess of a party with no hope EDIT to your edit: Supporting something doesn't mean you can't be critical of it. That's essentially every Democrat supporter here's position That said, I hereby promise that if Democrats rally for a mass general strike (more than ~10 million people minimum is necessary imo) before the midterms, not only will I hold my tongue on criticizing them, I'll work harder to get them elected than anyone here. Its virtually impossible but GH managed to find a way in which the democrats could potentially lose the midterms. The democrats dont have to do anything special to win this election. All they have to do is not chase voters away before the election. The timing of such a thing just before an election and without concrete reason other then "against Trump" would be terrible. Americans are not to fond of strikes in general. | ||
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oBlade
United States5815 Posts
On January 07 2026 15:34 Vivax wrote: By the looks of it, a lot of South American are going to have their leaders overthrown. This isn‘t just Trump though. His advisors are relevant. Not going to be a prolonged war like Vietnam either so the desired effect on the economy as a side motive remains questionable… Is the US population so easily receptive to the warmongering propaganda ? The implication here reads like a prolonged war has a better effect on the economy? I don't follow that. Is that what you meant? For example Iraq and Afghanistan were a long time, and obviously helped extract taxpayer wealth to the military industrial complex, but apart from that I've never heard whether downstream economic effects are known to have been beneficial. Or is the point in this strategic case of Venezuela you would need a prolonged occupation to guarantee partnership in the oil industry? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1965 Posts
On January 07 2026 15:34 Vivax wrote: Is the US population so easily receptive to the warmongering propaganda ? Polls shows even most Republicans hate Trump's foreign policy right now. The Iran strikes from months ago didn't even have a 50% approval rating from Republicans. But they're either quiet quitting politics (probably helps explain the landslide 2025 elections) or rationalizing it by saying "meh, as long as being openly racist is still socially acceptable he's still got my vote". | ||
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