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US presidential envoy Steve Witkoff held a phone call with Yuri Ushakov, Putin's top foreign policy aide, to suggest working together on a peace plan for Ukraine.
Witkoff advised Ushakov on how Putin could broach the issue with Trump, including setting up a call before Volodymyr Zelenskiy's White House visit and using the Gaza agreement as a way in.
The conversation offers insight into Witkoff's tactics for negotiating with Russia and the genesis of the 28-point peace proposal that emerged earlier this month, which the US has pushed Ukraine to accept as the basis of a deal.
Ugh, nice poison pill. Is advising a foreign power how to talk to your own president to get what you want out of him treason?
I wonder who leaked the recording though. Rubio and Ratcliffe?
Fox is normally pro Trump. Normally, they try to frame every news item in a pro Trump manner. Not in this case.
Neil Dutta, Renmac head of economic research: job market deeply cooling under the surface. @1:04 job postings down according to renaissance macro research, macrobond. @ 2:08 warren notices rising , layoff notices rising, job marketing not just steadily declining but decelerating. Dutta @ 2:20 "it is likely the Unemployment rate which was almost at 4.5% in September ... it is now likely 1/10th or 2/10ths higher".
@2:55 Dutta disputes the narrative that lowering immigration levels has made it easier for Americans to find jobs.
"the hawks are unnecessarily putting at risk the labour market". By "the hawks" he means the people who want high interest rates to drive down inflation.
I think a blog post "The Laid Off Tech Sector Worker's Career Guide" is in order.
Which is what literally everyone has been saying since like March this year while you kept jerking off about GDP growth this and GDP growth that.
The economy is cooked, it’s just that consumer spending is being single handedly carried by a shrinking number of high wealth households. When it becomes a full crisis depends on when the AI bubble deflates or bursts because that’s like all the investment and stock market growth that is happening in the US right now.
For every positive sign of increased GDP growth vs 2024, you get a dozen negative signals including awful job figures, continued high inflation of essentials, ever increasing numbers of loan delinquencies and repossessions. It’s not just people saying words, the actions of the administration is the biggest tell.
Every day you’re getting news like Tyson Foods closing down beef meatpacking lines due to low domestic cattle supplies. Big industrial farmers have no reason (or are able) to increase cattle production so the Trump Administration short term solution is to bitch out of their tariff war and just remove tariffs on beef in a desperate effort to deal with inflationary pressures.
On November 26 2025 13:25 Hat Trick of Today wrote: Which is what literally everyone has been saying since like March this year while you kept jerking off about GDP growth this and GDP growth that.
meh, when have i said the economy is strong? 2% growth is borderline recession territory. 2% was my projection for 2025. Hardly a ringing endorsement of boom times ahead.
On November 26 2025 13:25 Hat Trick of Today wrote: Every day you’re getting news like Tyson Foods closing down beef meatpacking lines due to low domestic cattle supplies. Big industrial farmers have no reason (or are able) to increase cattle production so the Trump Administration short term solution is to bitch out of their tariff war and just remove tariffs on beef in a desperate effort to deal with inflationary pressures.
tariffs on food is borderline unethical. tariff video games and sports cars. I'm glad he removed tariffs on food. It was the right thing to do.
I never said that you said the economy was strong. What I am insinuating is that you are just repeating random shit you watched/read on the internet as if it’s breaking mindblowing news that people are just figuring out. No, we figured out that your optimism for the US economy and tariff war was pretty unfounded ages ago.
Speaking on the 2% GDP claim, earlier in the year you were trying to get people to bet on your 2% GDP growth prediction. No one chose to bet against your claim because no shit we can’t predict a specific number because we’re not economists whose work is being used by major financial institutions.
So I might as well call you out on your prediction and get you show us your working out while you’re at it, since it’s such a specific figure. Did you work out that figure yourself or did you read something on Bloomberg and just repeat that prediction as though you came up with it yourself?
On November 26 2025 13:25 Hat Trick of Today wrote: Which is what literally everyone has been saying since like March this year while you kept jerking off about GDP growth this and GDP growth that.
meh, when have i said the economy is strong? 2% growth is borderline recession territory. 2% was my projection for 2025. Hardly a ringing endorsement of boom times ahead.
On November 26 2025 13:25 Hat Trick of Today wrote: Every day you’re getting news like Tyson Foods closing down beef meatpacking lines due to low domestic cattle supplies. Big industrial farmers have no reason (or are able) to increase cattle production so the Trump Administration short term solution is to bitch out of their tariff war and just remove tariffs on beef in a desperate effort to deal with inflationary pressures.
tariffs on food is borderline unethical. tariff video games and sports cars. I'm glad he removed tariffs on food. It was the right thing to do.
no it's not? not by any metric ever, especially for advanced economies in the "rich" world. the problem is he had everything going for him - Trump that is - inflation raged all throughout the Covid aftermath and only recently went down... too late for Democrats and just enough for him to take credit after his election win. and he extended massive tax cuts.
and somehow he still fucked it up with the Tariff regime. the economy should be doing, maybe not great, but pretty alright. without the gargantuan Ai pipedream spending it would suck all around, as it stands it pretty much sucks for anyone not rich.
the pyromaniac larping as a firefighter cannot take credit for getting rid of a fire, the damage has been done regardless. that's Trump.
and apparently how low the bar for success has been lowered for a god damn POTUS.
A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
On November 26 2025 18:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
What do we think, boys? Is she gonna work her connections for her relatives, or throw them under the bus for the benefit of the ideology she tied herself with?
Will this particular MAGA come out as cruel and callous, or as a hypocrite? It's a hard one!
On November 26 2025 18:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
What do we think, boys? Is she gonna work her connections for her relatives, or throw them under the bus for the benefit of the ideology she tied herself with?
Will this particular MAGA come out as cruel and callous, or as a hypocrite? It's a hard one!
I'm sure she will somehow find a way to do both.
It’ll be the former I’d imagine.
MAGA types tend to cope with a ‘but I didn’t mean the good ones’ to absolve themselves of the realities of policies they advocate.
So I don’t think there’d be any blowback on hypocrisy lines or whatever.
On November 26 2025 18:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
What do we think, boys? Is she gonna work her connections for her relatives, or throw them under the bus for the benefit of the ideology she tied herself with?
Will this particular MAGA come out as cruel and callous, or as a hypocrite? It's a hard one!
I'm sure she will somehow find a way to do both.
It’ll be the former I’d imagine.
MAGA types tend to cope with a ‘but I didn’t mean the good ones’ to absolve themselves of the realities of policies they advocate.
So I don’t think there’d be any blowback on hypocrisy lines or whatever.
Have her deported to a 5 star hotel for a month or two while she "applies" for a greencard or whatever. She gets back in legally. Citizenship a few years later.
"Law applies to everyone" + "Do it the right way". Real easy way to solve this, base will love it.
On November 26 2025 18:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
What do we think, boys? Is she gonna work her connections for her relatives, or throw them under the bus for the benefit of the ideology she tied herself with?
Will this particular MAGA come out as cruel and callous, or as a hypocrite? It's a hard one!
I'm sure she will somehow find a way to do both.
It’ll be the former I’d imagine.
MAGA types tend to cope with a ‘but I didn’t mean the good ones’ to absolve themselves of the realities of policies they advocate.
So I don’t think there’d be any blowback on hypocrisy lines or whatever.
She probably reported them herself. It’s her brother’s brown ex wife being deported.
On November 26 2025 18:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A member of Karoline Leavitt's extended family (brother's baby mama / ex-sister-in-law / nephew's mother) was just picked up by ICE:
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt now has a family connection to the ICE actions sweeping the country — her nephew’s mother was arrested by agents in Revere earlier this month.
Bruna Ferreira, a Boston-area resident who migrated with her family to the U.S. from Brazil as a child, according to her sister and immigration authorities, is now in custody at an ICE facility in Louisiana.
Michael Leavitt, the press secretary's brother, had a relationship with Ferreira, and the two have a son.
A Trump administration official confirmed the connection between Ferreira, Michael Leavitt and his sister Karoline Leavitt — the 28-year-old New Hampshire native who rose from relative obscurity to occupy one of the most prominent positions in the White House.
What do we think, boys? Is she gonna work her connections for her relatives, or throw them under the bus for the benefit of the ideology she tied herself with?
Will this particular MAGA come out as cruel and callous, or as a hypocrite? It's a hard one!
I'm sure she will somehow find a way to do both.
We think the fact there are so many illegal immigrants, that the mother of a nephew of the press secretary of the government of the only party that's against illegal immigration, is someone who overstayed a tourist visa for 25 years, is another fascinating nugget of vindication. We don't think the countries non-US posters are from ever allowed, or would allow, such runaway policy failures. We also think the priority characterization of the person as a "baby mama" was almost certainly editorializing rooted in racism.
Right, no one outside the US has illegals, certainly no one overstays their visa...
Its not a crime to be an illegal in the Netherlands, so long as you don't have any run ins with the law you could easily stay here for 25 years as an illegal.
Yes, America is 'special'. Your problems are not 'special', just the way you chose to deal with them.
By "we" oBlade is referring to all the MAGA accounts from Nigeria and India. They're the ones that suffer the most from the insecure Mexican-American border.
After incorrectly accusing six Democratic lawmakers of "sedition" (all of whom have served in the military or intelligence community), saying that they "should be arrested" and that he wants to "lock them up", also saying that what they did is "punishable by death", and also agreeing that we should "hang them", Trump has now walked back his death threats and has apparently decided that he doesn't want to kill them anymore.
Solid Durable Goods Orders: The headline number for durable goods orders in September rose by 0.5%, beating the expected 0.3%. This suggests strength in the manufacturing sector and business investment. Core Capital Goods Orders Rise: A key indicator of business investment, nondefense capital goods excluding aircraft, rose by 0.9%, also surpassing expectations. Strong Stock Market Performance: U.S. stock indexes advanced, with the S&P 500 and Nasdaq hitting two-week highs. This "risk-on" sentiment is fueled by hopes of an upcoming Fed rate cut.
On November 27 2025 03:41 LightSpectra wrote: By "we" oBlade is referring to all the MAGA accounts from Nigeria and India. They're the ones that suffer the most from the insecure Mexican-American border.
fortunately, the border is far more secure than it was under Biden. I agree with Sanders on this one. Trump did a better job securing the border. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v_8GZcijXuA
Sanders attempts to downplay securing the border by saying its "not hard to do". It is a hard job.. its a real job with many dangers. Kudos to the Americans who put themselves in harms way protecting the border.
Dan Carlin put out a podcast about the “don’t follow illegal orders” stuff. Don’t know if it’s necessary to introduce him – feels like everybody listens to the same fuckin podcasts – but Dan Carlin is best known as host of Hardcore History, a history podcast that tends to focus primarily (but not exclusively) on military history. He has a podcast feed called Common Sense where he occasionally puts up shows on US politics. Politically he’s a centrist, with some of the usual baggage associated with that term – he’s spent a decent amount of time hanging out with Dave Rubin, for instance – but FWIW I’ve always liked him. He feels sincere and compassionate where most centrists feel like they’re cynical temperature-takers.
Anyway Dan Carlin is very concerned about this “illegal orders” business. He feels that amidst all the inconsequential bullshit, this is one of the things to stay focused on, because guns, soldiers, and military equipment are historically what determines who is in power. But also because “you have an obligation not to follow illegal orders” is a longstanding US military tradition, officially enshrined in doctrine in 1947 but with supporting precedent dating back to at least the War of 1812. We locked guys up for following illegal orders during Vietnam, while active fighting was still going on, despite the PR cost to the military and any damage it might do to military readiness in an active conflict which was still costing thousands of American lives each year. And it wasn’t a bunch of soft liberal civilians or professors or politicians making that decision, it was active duty military men in military courts locking those guys up for doing what they were told by a commanding officer.
It’s hard for me to gauge this one. On the one hand this is absolutely one of the guardrails against atrocity that I would most hate to see corroded. On the other hand it seems like the fascists are picking a losing fight here? I mean military guys are usually pretty right-wing – I don’t doubt a lot of them voted for Trump – but the administration is so obviously in the wrong on military code here. Like, it’s on the plaque in front of West Point. And they want to choose this case as their next political prosecution, against an astronaut no less? It just seems like such a clear loser in every regard.
But it’s certainly one of the clearest recent examples of MAGA being completely despicable and unprincipled (dare I say deplorable?) in recent memory.
On November 27 2025 04:23 ChristianS wrote: He feels sincere and compassionate where most centrists feel like they’re cynical temperature-takers.
meh, i prefer centrists. a book-smart, street-smart centrist can put the fear of god into big business leaders while keeping markets open and free. Chretien was the best Canadian PM of the past 60 years... Clinton the best Prez the last 60 years. BOth are centrists. Both guys flopped all over the place and made good practical decisions without getting swept up in ideology.
On November 27 2025 04:23 ChristianS wrote: Dan Carlin put out a podcast about the “don’t follow illegal orders” stuff. Don’t know if it’s necessary to introduce him – feels like everybody listens to the same fuckin podcasts – but Dan Carlin is best known as host of Hardcore History, a history podcast that tends to focus primarily (but not exclusively) on military history. He has a podcast feed called Common Sense where he occasionally puts up shows on US politics. Politically he’s a centrist, with some of the usual baggage associated with that term – he’s spent a decent amount of time hanging out with Dave Rubin, for instance – but FWIW I’ve always liked him. He feels sincere and compassionate where most centrists feel like they’re cynical temperature-takers.
Anyway Dan Carlin is very concerned about this “illegal orders” business. He feels that amidst all the inconsequential bullshit, this is one of the things to stay focused on, because guns, soldiers, and military equipment are historically what determines who is in power. But also because “you have an obligation not to follow illegal orders” is a longstanding US military tradition, officially enshrined in doctrine in 1947 but with supporting precedent dating back to at least the War of 1812. We locked guys up for following illegal orders during Vietnam, while active fighting was still going on, despite the PR cost to the military and any damage it might do to military readiness in an active conflict which was still costing thousands of American lives each year. And it wasn’t a bunch of soft liberal civilians or professors or politicians making that decision, it was active duty military men in military courts locking those guys up for doing what they were told by a commanding officer.
It’s hard for me to gauge this one. On the one hand this is absolutely one of the guardrails against atrocity that I would most hate to see corroded. On the other hand it seems like the fascists are picking a losing fight here? I mean military guys are usually pretty right-wing – I don’t doubt a lot of them voted for Trump – but the administration is so obviously in the wrong on military code here. Like, it’s on the plaque in front of West Point. And they want to choose this case as their next political prosecution, against an astronaut no less? It just seems like such a clear loser in every regard.
But it’s certainly one of the clearest recent examples of MAGA being completely despicable and unprincipled (dare I say deplorable?) in recent memory.
They'll just muddy the waters. "Mr. Trump's objection is not that he wants service members to follow illegal orders--it's that the subtext of Kelly's language will result in service members not following legal orders simply because they don't agree with them!" Crap like that.
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