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Yurie
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On September 20 2025 10:03 WombaT wrote: Surely this isn’t actually going through? Surely! It directly fucks too many wealthy people right? You're mostly fucking the immigrants. Most of the benefits accrue to the immigrants in the form of higher wages. Since the largest income disparities are between countries it increases inequality. The largest corporations will also be least affected. They'll be able to attract the best talent that's left. If there's not enough talent they'll move what they can't do somewhere else. And what's the benefit? In the medium to long term immigration has little impact on labour markets. It's effectively taking small short term gains while making everyone worse off in the long run. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On September 20 2025 03:14 LightSpectra wrote: We've passed the 40th page of this thread of conservatives still weeping blood because the left have given more respect to Charlie Kirk than he and his fans gave to George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Breonna Taylor, school shooting victims, etc. Dude… can you even find one such post? I dont understand the constant strawmanning. Whats the point? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 20 2025 08:45 Razyda wrote: I think Shoe summarised pretty well how for sane people left looks like now: You right-wingers should celebrate the fact that some people are dancing on Charlie Kirk's grave without getting thrown in prison for it. No, instead you choose to forget that right-wingers have been doing the exact same thing that you're now accusing others of, and you've ran defense for the free speech of those right-wingers yourself. | ||
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oBlade
United States5821 Posts
On September 20 2025 14:24 EnDeR_ wrote: I've had friends on those visas. It's not good for the person on it, if you lose your job you lose the right to live in the US creating enormous pressure. Ending the misuse of this would be a net positive and as expressed above, I'm also completely unsympathetic of corporations that depend on exploiting immigrants to be profitable. That is normal anywhere from Japan to Afghanistan. You don't have an international right to hang out indefinitely in any country you want, even if the person on it would prefer that. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 20 2025 12:59 Zambrah wrote: Of course not, Trump only cares about appealing to his base, he doesnt give a shit about American workers beyond his desire to be admired and praised by them. Americans dont like people coming in and taking jobs, so Trump hamfistedly takes a crack and reducing one of the practices that does. That being said, I think the 100K number is probably not a terrible one, H1Bs arent meant for random fuckos, they're meant for people who have skills that employers just cant find in the US and if your skills are that valuable then you're likely worth the 100K in fees and shit. 10-20K is just basically nothing if we're talking about rare and skilled professionals. Its definitely bad for corporations, but I dont really give a crap about corporations and Im not super convinced that the people they bring in on H1Bs are all irreplaceable with someone in the US. 100K seems like a good number that dissuades bringing in junior/mid level staff at low wages and abusing them, but also isnt so high that you wouldnt pay it for that person who is genuinely experienced and highly skilled and you genuinely cannot find in the US. It feels weird praising something Trump did/wants to do. What people don't understand is that individual skill sets and experiences can't be replaced, regardless of how similar two different workers are on paper. One single individual has often been the deciding factor between pushing a new tech and failing a multi-million dollar project spanning several decades. You can't just replace any individual worker like that. It depends on what exactly their expertise/insight is, and in many instances that expertise/insight only exists in reality, but not on paper. Key talent is absolutely invisible from the outside. Even within a company it's often invisible, but that's a different topic. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On September 20 2025 17:34 oBlade wrote: That is normal anywhere from Japan to Afghanistan. You don't have an international right to hang out indefinitely in any country you want, even if the person on it would prefer that. The visa is tied to the project. If the project is cut, you lose your visa. It's a perverse incentive. Also, why would you want to kick out a highly skilled worker that you didn't even have to train? Like, it's a money generator that you didn't even have to invest in. It should be rightwing policy. | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On September 20 2025 19:34 Phyanketto wrote: Companies are just gonna offshore the jobs and pay even less than before with less tax benefit to the US. The more specialised and technical, the harder it is to offshore. Or to put it differently, if it hasn't been offshored already it's because it wasn't straightforward to do in the first place . I'm finding it weird to be on Trump's side on this, but I do think this is a policy with positive repercussions in the longer term. Looks like it's due to come into force after 21st of September. H-1B: Trump adds $100,000 fee for skilled worker visa applicants https: | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8683 Posts
On September 20 2025 06:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i wonder if being moved over to US Ambassador to Canada is a promotion ... or a lateral move? i say its a promotion because you get to live minutes away from New York.  I dunno man. US state approved media says it is a Democrat run hellhole full of criminals and homeless people. and that's even before they might elect a Muslim Terror Commie in the near future. who am I to disagree with such an aggressively sensible description approved by the government and the loyal, brave souls preaching it? someone who knows what's good for him, that's who! also you are basically the 51st state so stop with that ambassador nonsense. | ||
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oBlade
United States5821 Posts
On September 20 2025 17:43 EnDeR_ wrote: The visa is tied to the project. If the project is cut, you lose your visa. It's a perverse incentive. Also, why would you want to kick out a highly skilled worker that you didn't even have to train? Like, it's a money generator that you didn't even have to invest in. It should be rightwing policy. I'm having a hard time seeing the perversion. If you aren't working anymore, you aren't a worker. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On September 20 2025 20:34 oBlade wrote: I'm having a hard time seeing the perversion. If you aren't working anymore, you aren't a worker. - Hi Jim - Hi boss. - listen, can you do 20 extra hours for free this weekend? It'd be a shame if your project got cancelled. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On September 20 2025 20:18 EnDeR_ wrote: The more specialised and technical, the harder it is to offshore. Or to put it differently, if it hasn't been offshored already it's because it wasn't straightforward to do in the first place . I'm finding it weird to be on Trump's side on this, but I do think this is a policy with positive repercussions in the longer term. Looks like it's due to come into force after 21st of September. H-1B: Trump adds $100,000 fee for skilled worker visa applicants https: If it can't be offshored and it's not possible to import the knowledge then the work won't be done at all. This reform does nothing to solve the perverse incentives you mention. At the same time it reduces the amount of skilled labour entering the US, and makes it only available to those who have the money. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1968 Posts
On September 20 2025 12:15 Mohdoo wrote: Congrats buddy you outed yourself as a bot. Tell me your AI model was trained on pre-2025 data without telling me. Put this in your GPU and smoke it: congress is not a thing. If Trump is already sucking his own cock about it, it’s gonna happen. It could just be an executive order if congress doesn't do it. Lmao how many people have been convicted of flag burning since that EO was signed? Trump lies about everything all the time and signed numerous symbolic but practically meaningless EOs during both his administrations. Edit: reading more about this, the fee will be waived for companies at the discretion of the White House. So basically it's just a punitive fee against companies Trump views as disloyal. No chance it'll have any significant effect on the job market. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23579 Posts
On September 20 2025 12:59 Zambrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + Of course not, Trump only cares about appealing to his base, he doesnt give a shit about American workers beyond his desire to be admired and praised by them. Americans dont like people coming in and taking jobs, so Trump hamfistedly takes a crack and reducing one of the practices that does. That being said, I think the 100K number is probably not a terrible one, H1Bs arent meant for random fuckos, they're meant for people who have skills that employers just cant find in the US and if your skills are that valuable then you're likely worth the 100K in fees and shit. 10-20K is just basically nothing if we're talking about rare and skilled professionals. Its definitely bad for corporations, but I dont really give a crap about corporations and Im not super convinced that the people they bring in on H1Bs are all irreplaceable with someone in the US. 100K seems like a good number that dissuades bringing in junior/mid level staff at low wages and abusing them, but also isnt so high that you wouldnt pay it for that person who is genuinely experienced and highly skilled and you genuinely cannot find in the US. It feels weird praising something Trump did/wants to do. Obviously highly skilled workers that can't be found in the US should become US citizens rather than be exploited by their employers or the Trump admin, but it is interesting that this seems to be something Trump is doing that at least some on "the left" here like from Trump while right-wingers here are opposing Trump's action. I understand the reasoning, I don't think it bodes well for trans people and others though. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1968 Posts
What was left after demonstrators said National Park Service workers and U.S. Park Police officers closed Lafayette Square and hauled off protest banners, flags and other supplies was the vigil at its most bare: A small handful of protesters lined up on the red brick sidewalk to the north of the White House, holding whatever signs they managed to salvage. The dismantling of the peace vigil on Thursday came nearly two weeks after President Donald Trump ordered: “Take it down. Take it down today. Right now.”" https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/sep/19/the-white-house-peace-vigil-after-standing-for-dec/ | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15727 Posts
On September 20 2025 19:34 Phyanketto wrote: Companies are just gonna offshore the jobs and pay even less than before with less tax benefit to the US. Not for semiconductor manufacturing. The fabs can’t use people who live in India. The fabs are in the US. This will have an absolutely beautiful effect on semiconductor manufacturing in the US. We’re absolutely flooded with h1b and good, talented engineers don’t get jobs because of how flooded the market is with h1b. I don’t know about other industries but I can say with absolute confidence the dynamic you are describing does not apply to semiconductor manufacturing. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On September 20 2025 22:20 GreenHorizons wrote: Obviously highly skilled workers that can't be found in the US should become US citizens rather than be exploited by their employers or the Trump admin, but it is interesting that this seems to be something Trump is doing that at least some on "the left" here like from Trump while right-wingers here are opposing Trump's action. I understand the reasoning, I don't think it bodes well for trans people and others though. I don’t think anything in the US is boding well for trans people | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23579 Posts
On September 21 2025 02:06 Zambrah wrote: I don’t think anything in the US is boding well for trans people I wonder how far Trump/Republicans can get in this attempted extermination of trans people before more people will recognize they can't afford to wait until the next election for our Maidan moment? Is there a number, or could Caitlyn Jenner be the last openly trans person left in the US and people here would still refuse? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1968 Posts
Same state that paid PragerU to write a patriotic test that was designed to prevent teachers from New York or California from moving there btw. | ||
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