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KwarK
United States42963 Posts
On September 16 2025 23:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: And even more closely related: Charlie Kirk's racism against black people is well-documented, despite him having a black friend (Candace Owens). Candace Owens would be devastated if she ever learned she was black. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1722 Posts
On September 17 2025 02:14 Luolis wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/utah-governor-shares-details-charlie-kirk-assassination-investigation-rcna231022 I feel like at this stage we kinda have to trust the reporting we get, no? I'm not trying to belabor the point, but NBC is reporting that the governor of Utah said this, it hasn't been confirmed yet. I'm still waiting to hear an independent journalist investigate this and say "yeah it's right" before I can say it's "confirmed". On September 17 2025 02:16 KwarK wrote: Candace Owens would be devastated if she ever learned she was black. Apropos to nothing, anyone remember that time a black Neo-Nazi shot up a school and said "Candace Owens has influenced me above all each time she spoke"? | ||
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Vivax
22029 Posts
Vances declared battle against cultural marxism. The martyr mentality and norse admiration. Supporters of the great replacement theory. Seeing themselves as crusaders of christianity. Ideology of national supremacy. Reminds me of the guy who killed hundreds in Norway. Very reassuring to know who‘s in charge here. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia759 Posts
After that, I take it that most of the subsequent maniacs from this genre of shooters, given that they are trolls and edge lords above all could have been saying this kind of shit deliberately, as a troll. Regardless of that, if you go out of your way to kill Muslims and cite hateful right wing rhetoric, including Breivik, who is also worshiped by ghouls like the guru behind JD Vance's politics Curtis Yarvin it's pretty clear that you are a right wing maniac. Same for the black neo-Nazi LS mentioned. Same as many other right wing mass murderers over the past 10 years. For now, since this guy didn't leave a manifesto, or maybe he did but it doesn't fit the narrative so it's not coming out, we can only speculate. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On September 16 2025 23:52 Jankisa wrote: He, being the dumb and incompetent buffoon that he is, fucked his first term up enough that "normal" Americans coalesced around Biden to get him out for 4 years, but accepting another black, this time also female person was a line too far, and now we have fascism. Yey. And now we have these guys explaining to us how anyone pointing this shit out, and specifically pointing out that Charlie Kirk was a major force behind pushing Trump and his racist and regressive brand of politics is a terrible person and the real problem. Nah, the problem is the wannabe fascist dictator giving Hitler like speeches from the White House while subbing in on a podcast threatening to go after their political opponents, and no amount of gaslighting will change those facts. Puzzling phenomenon really. Some people realized yeah this is not it, but then went back on that. Hopefully they snap out of it again, but how can you be so clueless in the second attempt. Fool me twice you ain't folling me again, no? And some people never woke up from it and will just loudly defend him/them while spouting 5 different contradictions a minute. Fascinating | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25641 Posts
On September 16 2025 23:04 oBlade wrote: I find it VERY easy to understand why a particularly loathsome and insecure murderer would call someone "gay" who they think will be homophobic, i.e. the supposed anti-LGBTQ police system collecting evidence to prosecute the killing of the supposed anti-LGBTQ Satan that they shot. That's absolutely the same needle as every Mark Twain who thinks it's funny to say maybe every other Republican is secretly gay. Do you believe there is police use of force that isn't brutality? Otherwise there's no reason for me to go through the methods of these hundreds of sources that I've checked about 10 so far and many are either to dead twitter links, videos that don't show the lead-up, with no context (ex. after disperse and go home orders), or filings of alleged police brutality that went nowhere. Basically, the more police have to deal with, in general, the more collateral brutality you will get. If you don't want to get tear gassed or pepper sprayed, the easiest way is don't assemble with rioters. As I’ve said innumerable times, you don’t have to police disturbances like this. Unless it’s an emergent event they can’t get to, the PSNI’s riot squad are best in class here, they’ve plenty of practice after all. They contain riots until they die out, which requires them to sit there and take it for a bit. Sucks for the police, but it starves out most riots so they don’t escalate. American police do not do this. They wade in and pepper spray folks at the slightest provocation, smack some people around a bit. That’s how they operate. It’s not how you police these things, it is throwing petrol on an existing fire. You’ve two options, and only two options. 1. Containment until it dissipates 2. Crushing the disturbance with overwhelming force That’s your lot. I prefer option 1 personally. If you start to escalate the force employed, but fall short of doing option 2, all that does is turn a bad situation into a completely shit situation. The antagonistic nature of US law enforcement across the board, makes them incredibly ill-suited to policing riots. Us Northern Irish have few institutions or individuals that can conceivably be the best in the world in any field, but we probably do in riot policing. And American law enforcement basically does the diametric opposite of many of our practices in this domain. | ||
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Vivax
22029 Posts
Maybe the guy just hated politicians in general because his entire family did and CK was the best available option for him when he thought that murdering someone would be a cure to his depression. Or maybe he just wanted to be famous. He‘s not likely to be very differentiated in his views at that age. Or several other options. Will it have consequences for arms policy in the US ? Nope. A good guy with a gun could have stopped him. That‘s how it works there. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25641 Posts
On September 16 2025 21:09 Doublemint wrote: now that is sickening. Stephen Miller Vows to JD Vance He Will ‘Dismantle’ Left-Wing Orgs ‘Promoting Violence’ to Honor Charlie Kirk - on the Charlie Kirk show being hosted by VP Vance (ab)using a dead man's platform for your own twisted little games, harvesting the sympathies and trying to point the anger somewhere convenient. funny how they don't mention social media and its problems. while streaming from hate spreading right wing platform Rumble. now that is dancing on CK's grave while pointing fingers how others are undignified. then again he was a state propagandist. backing off from Epstein at Trump's direction. he might have been totally fine with them using him like that for their goals, who knows. apart from solving nothing this will foment actual division and hate. but that's their MO and the goal, little piggies like to play in the dirt. incidentally we had a funny thing occur here in my local neck of the woods, a conservative mayor unilaterally "honored" Kirk by flying a black flag at half-mast. controversy and inconvenient questions like WHO? and WHY? followed. usually black flags being flown is reserved for important locals/dignitaries and local officials dying. but that's a nice example of how social media spreads the brain rot very efficiently. and makes US talking points international, while also looping back to the US once it catches on. but the question really is - why in the ever loving fuck would be care in the EU about Kirk, let alone Austria? I tell you why, there are very strong bonds and relations between the right internationally. and their backers. and who is controlling the medium, will control the message. ironically this conservative/right wing alliance is a way more robust one than an "international left" could have ever dared to dream back when actual socialism was a thing in the last century. This is what Fascism looks like. It’s a Reichstag fire event. People burying their heads in the sand to deny this are either bullshitting me, or bullshitting themselves. It’s that simple really. It really is, there’s no point dancing around it. If Miller, who shares my surname, alas he spelt it the worse way, or his ilk had this energy in a more general sense, to try and wrest things back from various extremes, that’s one thing. They are not doing that, remotely. They hand wave right wing political violence, and are trying to stoke fears against the left as justification for clamping down on stuff they’re ideologically opposed to. If it quacks like a duck, is obviously some kind of semi-aquatic bird, resembles the Wikipedia entry for a duck, it’s a fucking duck. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany996 Posts
The media at large is sanewashing Trump administration...despite they are obviously insincere. Trump is an idiot, Colonel Kegstand is an Idiot, RFK is an idiot, Patel is an Idiot, Miller is an Idiot that plays with dolls, Noem is an idiot that shoots puppies. But they roles in the news cycle are "important", no matter how idiotic the idiot is. | ||
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GoShox
United States1842 Posts
The prosecutor did release a lot more including a long text exchange with the suspect's roommate and romantic partner. The romantic partner clearly had no idea about this - Tyler texted her "Drop what you're doing right now and look under my keyboard" where she found a note admitting that he had killed Charlie Kirk. They then shared a long text exchange where Tyler admitted to it that I'm sure will be released in print somewhere soon. Definitely don't see how this is a groyper thing anymore but the article I linked above really goes to show that, unless he was really active in a bunch of secret radical groups (which may very well be found soon), he was largely pretty apolitical. I'm not comparing the murders themselves but it's eerily similar to Luigi who was pretty down the middle in his ideology (I remember reading stuff stating he found good points from both conservatives and liberals) and seemed like a very normal guy. Maybe my expectations were unrealistic. I expected there to be clear evidence that this dude was involved in extreme groups, either far-left or far-right, but man so far he just seems like a normal dude | ||
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