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On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada.
Western culture is very variegated.
Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there.
The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale.
I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here.
Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting.
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On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting.
Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have.
"Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia.
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On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada.
US culture is too much sometimes. There's no singular unity in achieving something like how korea was pretty much unified in impeaching 2 presidents at will. I doubt that'll ever happen in the US now. I might be kinda evil for saying this but I don't think this melting pot works and it's designed that way by nature lol. Maybe civil war that breaks up US into separate country is the ultimate end goal here.
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On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia.
We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations.
The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it.
The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone.
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On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone.
The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy.
Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe?
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On September 17 2025 10:57 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. US culture is too much sometimes. There's no singular unity in achieving something like how korea was pretty much unified in impeaching 2 presidents at will. I doubt that'll ever happen in the US now. I might be kinda evil for saying this but I don't think this melting pot works and it's designed that way by nature lol. Maybe civil war that breaks up US into separate country is the ultimate end goal here.
It wont break up, it cant do that due to US dollar. One side will take it all. If it happens without armed conflict then liberals take over, because more radical culture will always push out less radical one. If there will be armed conflict then conservatives will.
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On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe?
Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west.
You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other.
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On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other.
Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries?
Edit: also Muslim countries cant do much now, or they risk being liberated.
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On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries?
Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter.
For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences.
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On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here.
That isn't historical, it's metahistorical. The purpose is to illustrate biases in how Europeans talk about and understand history. I think it may have gone over your head.
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On September 17 2025 11:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. That isn't historical, it's metahistorical. The purpose is to illustrate biases in how Europeans talk about and understand history. I think it may have gone over your head.
It may have gone over my head in a moment of lack of clarity, yes.
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On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:
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See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences.
Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo.
Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours)
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On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:
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No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations.
Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that.
Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc.
In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own.
The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours)
Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons.
We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though.
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On September 17 2025 11:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:
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Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken.
Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada. Western culture is very variegated. Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there. The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale. I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here. Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though.
It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century.
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On September 17 2025 11:40 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:34 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:39 Vivax wrote:
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Western culture is very variegated.
Why shouldn‘t they be able to coexist ? Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there.
The real question is if they are able to apply the wisdom from that experience on a worldwide scale.
I don‘t know if you watched a historical representation of wars over the globe, but the vast majority was fought here.
Russia and Ukraine is again European infighting. Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have. "Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia. We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though. It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century.
Bish I donated to the Russians to learn their basic phrases back when I was mid 20s.
It might have been a single € but it‘s worth billions now, surely.
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On September 17 2025 11:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:40 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:34 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 10:51 Razyda wrote:
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Yes it is, thats why we have different countries in Europe. See culture is a set of shared values. And quite frankly hugenots and catholics had more shared values, than US liberals and US conservatives have.
"Sometimes it takes two millennia of fighting for them to get to that point, but they‘ll get there." - They never got there did they? Thats why we still have wars. You saying 2 millennia, but WW2 ended mere 80 years ago, while WW1 107 years ago. Thats nothing on the timescale of millennia.
We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations. The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it. The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though. It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century. Bish I donated to the Russians to learn their basic phrases back when I was mid 20s.
Pociemu nie skazy kak eto relevantyj?
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On September 17 2025 11:47 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:43 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:40 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:34 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:04 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 10:57 Vivax wrote:
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We should be fighting wars on capital that‘s lost its meaning to favouritism and nepotism, not on cultural differences and provocations.
The shared set of values in Europe also varies wildly depending on where you are in it.
The war to end all wars isn‘t one that puts everyone on the same set of beliefs without at the same time extinguishing everyone. The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy. Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though. It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century. Bish I donated to the Russians to learn their basic phrases back when I was mid 20s. Pociemu nie skazy kak eto relevantyj?
Because it‘s not supposed to be known lmao.
I learned kyrillic out of genuine interest.
Didn‘t continue my studies much though.
Sent em a euro over paypal to masterrussian for a pdf.
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The war to end all wars is exactly that. See humans dont do coexisting, they subdue or destroy.
Cultural differences are pretty much all that matters. Where do you think Le Penn and Tommy Robinson came from? Why you have right wing parties rising in popularity pretty much all across the Europe? Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west. You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though. It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century. Bish I donated to the Russians to learn their basic phrases back when I was mid 20s. Pociemu nie skazy kak eto relevantyj? Because it‘s not supposed to be known lmao. I learned kyrillic out of genuine interest. Didn‘t continue my studies much though. Sent em a euro over paypal to masterrussian for a pdf.
I am old enough that I had it at school. Kinda annoys me that I lost language skill due to lack of practice.
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On September 17 2025 12:01 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 11:51 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:47 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:43 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:40 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:34 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:21 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 11:15 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 11:11 Vivax wrote:
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Apparently humans can do coexisting just fine in countries outside of the broader west.
You couldn‘t imagine the west existing without it going down in a spiral of violence caused by having a massive amount of people on an excessive living standards that they are unable to share with each other. Do they? wanna look at Israel/Gaza? Syria? Also Muslim countries are slightly different precisely because they have set of shared values. And historically how did Muslim countries coexisted with Christian countries? Depends on which muslim country you look at. Muslim citizens typically pose no problem at all as long as they are aware that local law supercedes religious law when applied to the letter. For the west in specific there is an issue that can be traced back to self-interest and corruption but it‘s a tier above religious differences. Grooming gangs, 9/11, Ariana Grande, Charlie Hebdo. Self interest and corruption are generally being resolved within culture (or by neighbours) Sure, if the neighbours were familiar with Russian for the wrong reasons. We couldn‘t have an economy based on muslim oil without them, though. It is dishonest to single out Russians, your frame of reference seems to be only 21st century. Bish I donated to the Russians to learn their basic phrases back when I was mid 20s. Pociemu nie skazy kak eto relevantyj? Because it‘s not supposed to be known lmao. I learned kyrillic out of genuine interest. Didn‘t continue my studies much though. Sent em a euro over paypal to masterrussian for a pdf. I am old enough that I had it at school. Kinda annoys me that I lost language skill due to lack of practice.
Same here, buddy.
Grew up speaking Italian for the most part.
But it‘s not all bad. Growing up bilingually is a blessing.
To get on topic, I think almost everyone could do better than the ones presented with solutions on the international scale
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On September 17 2025 10:33 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2025 10:23 Vivax wrote:On September 17 2025 09:50 Razyda wrote:On September 17 2025 05:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
When people think "Civil War", are they basically imagining the far-right going to war to keep the West Coast in the Union, rural vs urban wars around the country, North vs South, or what?
I don't know that enough of the US populace gives enough of a shit for an actual civil war.
I imagine more of a general "balkanization" with some conflicts internally (from oppressed groups) and between regions over resources and such. See you dont have single culture any more (like western/US culture) you have liberal culture and conservative culture and 2 cultures cant coexist within the same borders. One have to take over. No nation has a single culture except maybe China and other Asian nations. Western culture doesn‘t even exist. It‘s too fractured for that. Which is why you can have different experiences in Italy, the UK, France, US etc. In terms of anthropology, when it has its own language, it‘s something of their own. The point is for them to be able to coexist because it‘d be pretty boring if we only had one. Of course they do. There is French culture, British culture, US culture. They are all different with different traditions, history even effing food. If you think different cultures can coexist within the same borders, then you are mistaken. Ask native Americans, ask St Bartholomew/ du Plessis how did that work out in France, check what papist is, or what happened in Granada.
This looks like a post by someone who has never been to France. Or Britain, despite supposedly living there.
Despite the French monarchy's best efforts to unite French regions with a single language, centralise everything in Paris, and multiple religious genocides, there's still a significant difference between regions. The British government was never as zealous in its fervour to create homogeneity, and that's why the Welsh still speak Welsh, and the Scottish Scottish. Two different Gaelic languages that have nothing at all to do with English. The Scots wear the fact that they aren't English as a badge of pride. Even within England, the north and the south have large differences and a language such that if they each speak their own dialect they can barely understand each other. The linguistic difference between York and Portsmouth is probably larger than between any two US states.
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