US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5234

On September 16 2025 23:25 Luolis wrote:
I do agree that if the governor says it, it's prolly likely the roommate is trans.

On September 16 2025 17:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:


Like Mohdoo was touching upon earlier, this is a situation where you can really see this, live battle over the truth happening. There's a bunch of unconfirmed stuff, but the main takeaway imo, is to have some patience and not draw conclusions. What we know so far and what seems to be confirmed by several different sources is; his parents were republican. He had a strong online presence. He had talked about how he disliked/hated Kirk because Kirk was spreading hate. He did not vote in the previous election and didn't have a known political affiliation. He probably had a romantic relationship with his roommate who was in the process of transitioning from male to female. I agree that the totality of this makes any groyper-affiliation-allegation unlikely.

Then there are the messages on the casings. These are a bit harder to parse, because they're more open for interpretation. 1: notices bulge owo what's this - a meme, if it is political in any way it's more likely right wing because it mocks furries.
2: if you're reading this you're gay LMAO - same - just a meme, but if it's political then it's right wing
3: bella ciao - anti-fascist song; but also present in far cry 6, and also, for whatever reason, it's present in the 'groyper wars america first' spotify-playlist.
4: Hey fascist, catch - obviously sounds anti-fascist, but just as likely/more likely to be a helldivers 2 reference, especially because of
5: up arrow right arrow three downward arrows - which is how you summon a 500 kg bomb in that very same helldivers 2 game. (Again, this seems more likely than the 'three downwards arrows=anti fascist'-idea.)

I'm honestly thinking that he was probably somewhat politically motivated and that his hatred for Kirk came from the left - not from a 'Kirk is too moderate'-perspective; but that more than anything, there's a sort of, nihilistic component to this. This is also a growing trend in the US; if we looked at mass shootings and assassinations up until like, 2022, a political motivation was much more likely to be found, and then, indeed, right-wingers were much more likely to be the culprits. Numbers from the ADL for 2013-2022 indicated that like 75% of murders from political violence in the US were done by right-wingers (and then white supremacists were responsible for 75% of that, again), while 20% was committed by islamic terrorists, and only 4% by leftist terrorists. But looking at 2024, there seems to be a new trend :

ISD’s analysis of violent attacks and foiled attack plots linked to extremism in 2024 identified several trends related to biographical characteristics of suspects and perpetrators, motivations, tactics used, and targets selected. Most strikingly, the data showed that the deadliest incidents recorded were not tied to traditionally defined extremist ideologies. Instead, they were driven by a looser network of online subcultures that ISD refers to as “nihilistic violence.” Communities associated with nihilistic violence might echo the trappings and language of extremist and terrorist ideologies, their tactics and their use of social media. However their primary motivation for violence stems from a fundamental disregard for human life and a desire to see harms done to others.

Individuals associated with communities that promote nihilistic worldviews accounted for two-thirds of all deaths and nearly two-thirds of all injuries in attacks and attack plots recorded by ISD in 2024. It is also of note that many perpetrators and suspects in the category were juveniles: historically not a characteristic demographic for extremist violence. Only a third of the recorded incidents were easily attributed to defined ideologies. While traditionally defined extremist movements continue to pose a significant threat to public safety, this analysis reflects an increased need to adjust frameworks and methods designed to counter ideologically motivated threats to account for this changing landscape.

This also ties in with an article I read from NPR - and something GoShox posted some pages back; that there's a growing influence of online groups that actively desensitize young men who try to push them towards violence for the sake of violence. Now, it doesn't seem like Robinson himself was actively groomed in such a manner, but that this sort of, nihilistic attitude towards life and death - influenced by memes, tik tok feeds, discord communities, seems like a catalyst more than a particularly strongly defined political affiliation, that seems somewhat likely to me at the time being.

I sure as fuck am not trusting the Bondi JDV etc explanation for this or anything else because they are absolute snakes, but I don't see the groyper-angle either, and even if he happens to be primarily motivated by some leftist political ideals then that still wouldn't make leftists more guilty of political violence than the right.

On September 16 2025 23:27 Razyda wrote:


It is because she got quickly condemned by both liberal and conservative folks.

On September 16 2025 22:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:
The reasonable thing is to wait and see and not draw conclusions, though.

On September 16 2025 23:58 castleeMg wrote:This whole weird argument that he was right wing but shot one of his own is absurd.

On September 17 2025 00:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Weren't both of Trumps assassination attempts conducted by right wing people?

The notion that a right wing person will not attempt to kill right wing political figure is objectively false.

On September 17 2025 00:35 castleeMg wrote:


how many people in relationships with trans people are right wing?

On September 17 2025 00:35 castleeMg wrote:


The guy had a trans roommate who admitted to being his partner and that they were in a secret romantic relationship.

Apparently the roommate has been pretty cooperative with authorities, but how many people in relationships with trans people are right wing?

Also Thomas Crooks political affiliation was not definitively known, he donated to a left wing group in 2021 and voted republican only once in a primary in 2022. Other than that his political activity seems pretty neutral. Why are you falsely painting him as some sort of right wing guy?

Also did you forget about Ryan Routh? That nutjob democrat that tried to kill Trump on a golf course? I guess you conveniently forgot about that.

The fact that you guys are trying to say he was right wing but he killed Kirk because he didn’t like that he supported Israel is fucking insane. So the guy threw his whole life away and killed Kirk because of a few stand points that he didn’t agree with Kirk on? But overall he was right wing because he has photo of him dressed as a groyper in 2018? Hilarious mental gymnastics

On September 17 2025 00:35 castleeMg wrote:


The guy had a trans roommate who admitted to being his partner and that they were in a secret romantic relationship. Apparently the roommate has been pretty cooperative with authorities, but how many people in relationships with trans people are right wing? It seems like there is information that he came from a very conservative Mormon family but his views did not align with theirs over the past few years. Also Thomas Crooks political affiliation was not definitively known, he donated to a left wing group in 2021 and voted republican only once in a primary in 2022. Other than that his political activity seems pretty neutral. Why are you falsely painting him as some sort of right wing guy? Also did you forget about Ryan Routh? That nutjob democrat that tried to kill Trump on a golf course? I guess you conveniently forgot about that. The fact that you guys are trying to say he was right wing but he killed Kirk because he didn’t like that he supported Israel is fucking insane. So the guy threw his whole life away and killed Kirk because of a few stand points that he didn’t agree with Kirk on? But overall he was right wing because he has photo of him dressed as a groyper in 2018? Hilarious mental gymnastics

On September 17 2025 00:45 LightSpectra wrote:


Neither of these things have been confirmed by real journalists.



More than you'd imagine. The right-wing fetishizes trans people and it's not like there aren't any trans Republicans (e.g. Brianna Wu, Caitlyn Jenner) despite the obvious reasons it's not smart to vote that way.

Edit: Upon double checking, Brianna Wu endorsed Trump but I can't find out if she formally registered as a Republican. So that may be incorrect.



"After the shooting, the FBI uncovered a social media account "believed to be associated with the shooter" with about 700 comments from 2019 to 2020. A public statement from FBI deputy director Paul Abbate described Crooks' activity on social networking services as including comments that "appear to reflect antisemitic and anti-immigration themes" and "espouse political violence"."

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-shooting-hearing-fbi-secret-service-assassination-attempt-senate/



Nobody's saying there's zero left-wing violence, it's just that nonpartisan sources indicate that the overwhelming majority of political violence is right-wing. e.g. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/13/2343349/-Justice-Dept-Study-Proves-Right-Wing-Extremists-Commit-Most-Violence-So-the-Trump-Regime-Removes-It

Also, Ryan Routh was not a Democrat. He was anti-Trump but wanted a Nikki Haley/Vivek Ramaswamy ticket for the Republican primary in 2024. https://time.com/7021494/ryan-wesley-routh-trump-golf-course-shooter-politics-iran-ukraine/



Spend thirty minutes scrolling through groyper communities yourself and let me know how sane you find the lot of them.

On September 17 2025 01:14 castleeMg wrote:
The right wing violence vs left wing violence, idk much about other than that article by some extreme left wing outlet.