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On August 08 2025 12:25 Razyda wrote:
I mean, literally what left had to do was repeat "Epstein" ad nauseum and they would have won midterms (exactly what Trump did with illegal immigration), but some of them saw jeans, and went all DeeDee "Ooooh What Does This Button Do?"
Was there actually a left-wing backlash to the jeans commercial? I'm pretty dialed in to the things the left gets mad about, and I didn't encounter the ad or backlash to the ad. Only the right-wing backlash to this alleged left-wing backlash that definitely totally happened.
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On August 08 2025 16:38 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2025 12:25 Razyda wrote:
I mean, literally what left had to do was repeat "Epstein" ad nauseum and they would have won midterms (exactly what Trump did with illegal immigration), but some of them saw jeans, and went all DeeDee "Ooooh What Does This Button Do?"
Was there actually a left-wing backlash to the jeans commercial? I'm pretty dialed in to the things the left gets mad about, and I didn't encounter the ad or backlash to the ad. Only the right-wing backlash to this alleged left-wing backlash that definitely totally happened.
I think part of this is how social media amplifies stuff. Maybe there were three people on the left who got annoyed about the jeans stuff. They then get so amplified that they are a convenient excuse for people on the right to focus on.
Social media tends to amplify the stupidest and most extreme voices, and since people are incapable of imagining more than 3 other people, they assume that everyone (in that category) holds that viewpoint.
And of course, we all know who holds the keys to the algorithms that decide what to amplify. The idea that they might push things that helps them personally isn't absurd either, and they surely don't like anyone on the left, being billionaires.
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On August 08 2025 16:38 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2025 12:25 Razyda wrote:
I mean, literally what left had to do was repeat "Epstein" ad nauseum and they would have won midterms (exactly what Trump did with illegal immigration), but some of them saw jeans, and went all DeeDee "Ooooh What Does This Button Do?"
Was there actually a left-wing backlash to the jeans commercial? I'm pretty dialed in to the things the left gets mad about, and I didn't encounter the ad or backlash to the ad. Only the right-wing backlash to this alleged left-wing backlash that definitely totally happened.
It's often the case that people on this forum deny or minimize the whacky stuff on the left. Then they will turn around and share stories about supposed right-wingers that are overdosing on horse paste en masse to the point gunshot victims have to wait outside hospitals. People always object when I criticize some out-of-pocket noise coming from the left on social media but I never object when they talk about Qanon or pizzagate.
Anyway, it's really not hard to find left-wings losing their shit on social media over Sydney Sweeney. I mentioned it in this thread after waking up one morning and seeing this on my reddit frontpage. It's a post from one of the largest subreddits titled "Sydney Sweeney and American Eagle are gaslighting us."
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I finally watched the American Eagle x Sydney Sweeney jeans/genes ads and I was appalled...
It was obviously a thinly veiled promotion of eugenics...
Sydney Sweeney is a MAGA racist. Racists do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. They haven't earned it and never will.
A sampling of some posts with 100+ net upvotes
I love AE jeans but the last pair I bought will be my last one, it’s worth the hassle to find a new brand that doesn’t lean into fascism like this
Fascists are too comfortable in USA right now...
Watching a corporate brand named “American Eagle” slipped into fascism is not surprising.
Get this - that exact rhetorical strategy is what white supremacy pioneered and is well known for: it deliberately upsets those who care, in order to say to those who dont: look how crazy they are over nothing, racism isn't real, join us against woke.
This ad didn't just pander to white supremacy, it uses its strategies knowing there would be a negative blowback that they could offset through the ability of white supremacy to dominate the narrative in America today = maximum sale of jeans and their vision of white America.
Then Sermokala shared to this thread that Sydney Sweeney is a registered Republican. After I googled it I realized that was not part of the original controversy but something they found out days later when some internet sleuths queried the state voter registry and found her name. Evidently they were so triggered they had to put on their detective hats to find some dirt on her. Good job.
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I don't know how you want to defend a blond haired blue eyes person in front of a sign saying they have great genes but I'm well looking forward to it.
The controversy was social media nonsense but there's no way you can pretend to be ignorant to the very clear gaslighting that there's no problem with right wingers getting happy to celebrate their genetic superiority. It's not surprising this eugenics argument is of no issue to a trump supporter. We saw how triggered the right got when a beer company sent a handful of personalized cans to a person.
People have a lot of time on their hands and basic public records is low hanging fruit. Everytime there is any controversy People dig into their background.
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Does Sydney Sweeney have great tits genes or not? Just answer the question. What, are you gay or something? Does the sight of great genes disgust you!? THIS IS THE PEAK OF HUMAN CULTURE.
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Also my uncle is alive because he got an mrna shot to treat his cancer. The idea that curing cancer going to profitable to pharma companies is silly. The misconception that research dollars invested should be diverted to only known technologies and science is very ignorant and not how any of this works.
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"Nazi!", "Kill em [cops]!"
Old quotes of mine? Inner monologue escaping? Reddit comments about Sydney Sweeney? Maybe, but definitely a new hire at Trump's DOJ.
Less than five years after urging rioters to "kill" police at the Capitol, a former Jan. 6 defendant is working as a senior adviser for the Department of Justice
NPR has obtained police bodycam footage from multiple angles of the former defendant and current administration official, Jared Wise, berating officers and calling them "Nazi" and "Gestapo."
"I'm former law enforcement. You're disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the Gestapo."
As he stood in front of the police line, he continued to berate the officers.
"Shame on you," he yelled. "Shame on you. Shame on you."
Violence erupted again, as rioters pushed against officers, knocking one to the ground, according to prosecutors.
""Kill 'em! Kill 'em!" Wise yelled, as he watched the skirmish. "Get 'em! Get 'em!"
www.npr.org
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If society survives globally, they will have to include so many "This isn't an exaggeration, this actually happened" disclaimers in the movies about the fall of the US.
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Yeah it's a self defeating argument because it's implied in the name: research.
In any case, I'm always very careful when talking about biotech stuff, because my gut feeling is that it's also a bit of a hype cycle thing with many spin off startups only to underdeliver year after year.
I don't like antibody tech, but it's still the bell of the ball it seems. What I do really like and is maybe the best innovation in years (after CRISPR), is the CAR-T therapy, which if they're able to expand this to solid mass tumors for example, will give us an extremely interesting future. Obviously the end goal is to edit your genome in a way that cancer altogether doesn't occur any longer, but the ethical and technological framework is still pretty underdeveloped for that.
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Reddit threads and upvotes need to be treated the same way as compilation sites citing twitter posts for articles.
None of this stuff is real, we know there are tons of karma farming and other bots on reddit and twitter. Its all manufactured outrage for engagement.
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It's fascinating that BJ came here to claim that a post on TwoX chromosomes, a very niche and feminist subreddit is somehow relevant to this discussion.
You know what would be relevant and "proof" that this was a big deal on "the left" before rightwingers like you decided that it's a big deal, if anyone in this thread, full of "the left" brought it up before you guys did.
For that matter, if any of these controversies that you think are "proof" that "the left" is problematic were brought up by anyone other then right wingers.
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On August 08 2025 20:02 Sermokala wrote:
Also my uncle is alive because he got an mrna shot to treat his cancer.
That is fantastic. I'm glad your uncle is alive.
Is it the only treatment he got? Is he the only one that got it? Because obviously the US government can't afford $500 million per life saved, so please expand the anecdote or its significance.
On August 08 2025 20:02 Sermokala wrote:
The idea that curing cancer going to profitable to pharma companies is silly.
What is this sentence supposed to mean?
Are you saying pharma companies are intentionally keeping people sick with cancer to get more money? Or curing cancer would be a loss for them? I don't see how any company that "cured" cancer wouldn't be worth over a trillion dollars overnight.
On August 08 2025 20:02 Sermokala wrote:
The misconception that research dollars invested should be diverted to only known technologies and science is very ignorant and not how any of this works.
This is a great rebuttal to something I haven't seen argued.
It is a mistake to presuppose that the word "research" necessitates any government anything whatsoever. The research isn't banned, is it? If it's so promising, why does it need public dollars? If it's such a long shot, why would it deserve public dollars? Stuck on level 1 if this can't be answered.
Nor is mRNA unknown anyway. Billions of doses worldwide. Should we fund it just because it'd be really nice if it worked out? There are thousands of proposed treatments for everything that have fallen by the wayside. Okay? Cost benefit. For example, it'd be really great if the world had a cheap source of nearly unlimited clean energy. It just so happens I'm working on it, it's called cold fusion. Do I deserve $10 billion in taxpayer funds, maybe not.
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On August 08 2025 20:17 GreenHorizons wrote:"Nazi!", "Kill em [cops]!" Old quotes of mine? Inner monologue escaping? Reddit comments about Sydney Sweeney? Maybe, but definitely a new hire at Trump's DOJ. Show nested quote +Less than five years after urging rioters to "kill" police at the Capitol, a former Jan. 6 defendant is working as a senior adviser for the Department of Justice
NPR has obtained police bodycam footage from multiple angles of the former defendant and current administration official, Jared Wise, berating officers and calling them "Nazi" and "Gestapo."
"I'm former law enforcement. You're disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the Gestapo."
As he stood in front of the police line, he continued to berate the officers.
"Shame on you," he yelled. "Shame on you. Shame on you."
Violence erupted again, as rioters pushed against officers, knocking one to the ground, according to prosecutors.
""Kill 'em! Kill 'em!" Wise yelled, as he watched the skirmish. "Get 'em! Get 'em!" www.npr.org+ Show Spoiler +If society survives globally, they will have to include so many "This isn't an exaggeration, this actually happened" disclaimers in the movies about the fall of the US.
I was watching the new South Park episode with my missus who is way less terminaly online then I am and had to explain how all of this is real.
Yeah, Kristi Noem did shoot a young dog for misbehaving.
Yes, ICE is offering $ 50 K signing bonus and paying $ 100 k salaries for people with advanced education.
Yes, ICE is raiding public events to round up brown people.
Yes, that is the real size of JD Vance and he does put lube on Satan's ass for Trump.
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On August 08 2025 13:56 Doublemint wrote:you are perfectly describing the Dems messaging problem. Trump locked down the country as people panicked with the then novel virus. only no one associates him anymore with it, the economy tanked and his supporters in particular turned on him. and turned exceedingly stupid in the process regarding important health issues (anti vax - anti science - conspiracy up the wazoo). and Republicans indulged them and their idiocy, HHS secretary RFK. Jr. is not a coincidence. killing mRNA funding is messaging to them. it most definitely is not about the money. regarding the gender/biology. these are absurdly hard discussions to have in academia. some of it spills over into the public sphere and Dems again are on the losing side. it is just so much easier to plead "common sense". challenging what "feels intuitive" and went unquestioned for basically millenia, you are setting yourself up for failure with average Jane and John Doe. Newsom/Emanuel pivoting and trying out what they perceive as "new material" for their party after a shock that was Trump once again triumphing is not surprising. I reckon their voters - especially young ones - will not appreciate it very much but then again Emanuel is a dinosaur and Newsom gruesome. I mean making life hell for Trans people because a hand full of cases in some sports brought out the worst in people and a lot of media fuss and good old right wing propaganda? priorities set straight. the latest example - US Air Force to deny retirement pay to transgender service members being separated from the serviceShow nested quote +Officials have said that as of Dec. 9, 2024, there were 4,240 troops diagnosed with “gender dysphoria” on active duty, National Guard and Reserve. Pentagon officials have decided to use the condition and its diagnosis as the main way to identify troops who are trans.
However, the two are not an exact match — not every transgender person has the condition. As a result, there is an understanding that the actual number of transgender people within the military’s roughly 2 million troops may be higher.
Under the latest policy, active duty troops had until June 6 to voluntarily identify themselves and receive a payout while troops in the National Guard and Reserve had until July 7. Pentagon officials previously told reporters that they plan to lean on commanders and existing annual medical screenings to find any transgender service members who do not come forward. special discrimination for a couple thousand people out of 2 million. at least the lawyers will be busy.
Well said on all counts.
What happened to support the troops eh?
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On August 08 2025 22:06 oBlade wrote:
It is a mistake to presuppose that the word "research" necessitates any government anything whatsoever. The research isn't banned, is it? If it's so promising, why does it need public dollars? If it's such a long shot, why would it deserve public dollars? Stuck on level 1 if this can't be answered.
Nor is mRNA unknown anyway. Billions of doses worldwide. Should we fund it just because it'd be really nice if it worked out? There are thousands of proposed treatments for everything that have fallen by the wayside. Okay? Cost benefit. For example, it'd be really great if the world had a cheap source of nearly unlimited clean energy. It just so happens I'm working on it, it's called cold fusion. Do I deserve $10 billion in taxpayer funds, maybe not.
What is a long shot? Basic research into the drug delivery/stability/effectivity? Have a deeper understanding of public health? Do you think developing strategies for maximizing public health is something undeserving of public dollars?
Companies don't do the basic (fundamental) research because that's incrediblly sunk cost, but the potential future applications can have astronomical returns. The problem is that you can't know in advance which research will be the next grail.
CRISPR would have never been uncovered with private money. This was just people dissecting bacteria host defense systems to see how it worked and then there was the light bulb moment. And then comes the waterfall effect of a trillion spinoffs trying to capture some kind of market.
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On August 08 2025 19:51 Sermokala wrote:
I don't know how you want to defend a blond haired blue eyes person in front of a sign saying they have great genes but I'm well looking forward to it.
The controversy was social media nonsense but there's no way you can pretend to be ignorant to the very clear gaslighting that there's no problem with right wingers getting happy to celebrate their genetic superiority. It's not surprising this eugenics argument is of no issue to a trump supporter. We saw how triggered the right got when a beer company sent a handful of personalized cans to a person.
People have a lot of time on their hands and basic public records is low hanging fruit. Everytime there is any controversy People dig into their background.
I can see the argument in general media and focusing on certain beauty archetypes, that often centre around race shaping and reinforcing things on aggregate, indeed I’d broadly agree with some of those critiques. Although I think we’re also collectively doing a better job here than decades past.
Idk if this instance is really all that egregious. If genes didn’t rhyme with jeans, I mean sure, it immediately becomes pretty bloody sinister. Although, simultaneously a nonsensical campaign
Or if it were a campaign that wasn’t just centred around Sweeney, but had loads of blonde blue-eyed chicks around and nobody else. And if it had turned out they’d specifically specified in casting calls for people with that characteristic
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Poll: Were you aware of Sydney Sweeney genes prior to BJ posting?No (15) 65% Yes (8) 35% 23 total votes Your vote: Were you aware of Sydney Sweeney genes prior to BJ posting? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Apologies for the title, character limit! I am referring to the controversy around their jeans campaign, not her genes
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On August 08 2025 11:49 BlackJack wrote:
The good news is that Trump's policies are equally unpopular. They are picking the 20 side on the 80-20 issues of prosecuting women who seek abortion, deporting law-abiding people who have been in the country for years, etc. Meanwhile prominent Dems are signialing that they are turning away from woke, e.g. Gavin Newsom saying men in women's sports is unfair, Rahm Emanuel saying a man can't become a women, etc. i.e. things that would have gotten you excommunicated a year ago. So I predict a Dem win in 2028 and I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to have stints of 4-year Presidents for the time being.
What did trans people ever do to you dude lmao? I will never understand* why conservatives are so wildly obsessed with gender. Is it because it gives you an excuse to assault people trying to go to the bathroom, or are you just giddy about mandatory genitalia inspections of children that Republicans tried to implement in Kansas?
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Conservatives have a very difficult time with deconstructivism.
Changing the rules on a societal/legislative level is very difficult for them. People changing (tricking other people) how they look/identify is just like a complete dismantling of their own worldview. If they can't even trust their own senses, what can they trust?
They're so disgruntled by this, they invent fascism to curtail it. By the way, was Germany also famously progressive in the 1930's? Edit: let's cut that down to from post WW1 up to Hitler. Didn't they have a trans culture thing at the cusp of Nazi Germany?
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On August 08 2025 22:40 WombaT wrote:Poll: Were you aware of Sydney Sweeney genes prior to BJ posting?No (15) 65% Yes (8) 35% 23 total votes Your vote: Were you aware of Sydney Sweeney genes prior to BJ posting? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Apologies for the title, character limit! I am referring to the controversy around their jeans campaign, not her genes
The only reason I know about it is because a Discord server I'm on had a meme about Republicans rejoicing that some controversy is taking the heat off of covering up child rape in the Epstein files.
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On August 08 2025 22:40 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2025 11:49 BlackJack wrote:
The good news is that Trump's policies are equally unpopular. They are picking the 20 side on the 80-20 issues of prosecuting women who seek abortion, deporting law-abiding people who have been in the country for years, etc. Meanwhile prominent Dems are signialing that they are turning away from woke, e.g. Gavin Newsom saying men in women's sports is unfair, Rahm Emanuel saying a man can't become a women, etc. i.e. things that would have gotten you excommunicated a year ago. So I predict a Dem win in 2028 and I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to have stints of 4-year Presidents for the time being. What did trans people ever do to you dude lmao? I will never understand* why conservatives are so wildly obsessed with gender. Is it because it gives you an excuse to assault people trying to go to the bathroom, or are you just giddy about mandatory genitalia inspections of children that Republicans tried to implement in Kansas? + Show Spoiler +
Clearly, politicians and investment bankers like Rahm Emanuel are the authorities on sex and gender studies.
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