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On June 30 2025 23:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism. I don't want bad things to get worse. I just want bad things to happen to bad people, if bad things are required to happen in the first place. I'd much rather have bad things get better, but that options seems to generally be off the table at the moment.
They aren't "required to happen" any more than Biden was "required" to fall apart on stage, Harris was "required" to oppose most voters and support Israel's genocide, and so on.
The suffering Trump/Republicans are inflicting isn't "required" and the advocacy for it landing on certain people is accelerationism.
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On July 01 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2025 23:58 Uldridge wrote:
How bad can a person with an iq of 80 or 90 actually be? At some point you need to see the difference between Vance and the random dumbass. I can't understand how you can't understand that. Most Republicans aren't an entire standard deviation below the mean. Most also have the capacity to reason.
Do you think a standard deviation below the mean makes you unable to pass high school or something? You do realize half of the population has an iq less than the mean, right? That's roughly 100 million people who can vote who also contribute in one way or abother to society (i tried to filter elderly and childer, might be way off)
On July 01 2025 00:04 LightSpectra wrote:
Psychologists studying captured Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials discovered the stupider ones were the ones more open to vapid cruelty, lacking empathy altogether, whereas the smarter ones were adept at simply tuning out their empathy for the sake of career advancement. Is that what you mean?
I like to think of it as the stupid ones are hammers (butchers) and the smart ones are scalpels (narcissists).
I also think the stupider, the more easily influenced. So letting "grunts" do your torturing and strongmanning makes sense because they can be pursuaded to do so.
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On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism. No one here is advocating for increased suffering, just that the existing suffering hits the people who advocated for that suffering.
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On July 01 2025 00:09 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 30 2025 23:58 Uldridge wrote:
How bad can a person with an iq of 80 or 90 actually be? At some point you need to see the difference between Vance and the random dumbass. I can't understand how you can't understand that. Most Republicans aren't an entire standard deviation below the mean. Most also have the capacity to reason. Do you think a standard deviation below the mean makes you unable to pass high school or something? You do realize half of the population has an iq less than the mean, right? That's roughly 100 million people who can vote who also contribute in one way or abother to society (i tried to filter elderly and childer, might be way off)
Half are below the mean, but only about 14% are one standard deviation below the mean, which is an IQ of 85. Also, your argument is confusing here.
You seemed to first claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ are too stupid to be evil.
Now you seem to claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ aren't that stupid anyways, which would invalidate your previous argument.
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On July 01 2025 00:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism. No one here is advocating for increased suffering, just that the existing suffering hits the people who advocated for that suffering.
Really, you're all advocating for Trump to successfully help his constituents?
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On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism.
They’re not advocating it though.
If Dave the Pyromaniac enjoys setting fires in highly combustible areas and that’s his thing, I’d rather the likely wildfire consume his house than some other person with less of a fixation on fire.
If I thought our fire service and land/intastructural management as it pertains to fire was so woeful and resistant to attempts to fix it that Dave the Pyromaniac’s hobby might finally see them get their shit together, then I’m into accelerationist territory
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On July 01 2025 00:09 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 30 2025 23:58 Uldridge wrote:
How bad can a person with an iq of 80 or 90 actually be? At some point you need to see the difference between Vance and the random dumbass. I can't understand how you can't understand that. Most Republicans aren't an entire standard deviation below the mean. Most also have the capacity to reason. Do you think a standard deviation below the mean makes you unable to pass high school or something? You do realize half of the population has an iq less than the mean, right? That's roughly 100 million people who can vote who also contribute in one way or abother to society (i tried to filter elderly and childer, might be way off)
That's precisely my point, and precisely why your argument that Republicans are too stupid to know what they're doing is problematic to me. Most of them are definitely capable of knowing better, whether their IQ is 90 or 100 or 110.
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On June 30 2025 23:07 Uldridge wrote:
Do you honestly think that these people are able to do a comprehensive impact assessment on a systemic level when they vote for a guy who says that tarrifs are going to bring back back breaking jobs and who says eggs will cost less?
Do you know people like that? Because I do, and it's always very apparent when these types of people open their mouths what their type of ideology is going to be. Many people are stupid, don't forget that. Many stupid people also wish for malice on others. I don't fault them for that because they're stupid. They don't really understand impacts of anything other than when it hits them in the face, and even then.
Right-wingers aren't stupid. They're in a cult.
We can't get them out of this cult.
What we can do is to create barriers to the cult. Make it as easy as possible to stay away from the cult.
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On July 01 2025 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:10 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism. No one here is advocating for increased suffering, just that the existing suffering hits the people who advocated for that suffering. Really, you're all advocating for Trump to successfully help his constituents?
You're intelligent enough to not persistently misunderstand people explicitly saying they don't want additional suffering. What's the point of this trolling?
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On July 01 2025 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:10 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 23:48 Gorsameth wrote:On June 30 2025 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2025 21:53 Simberto wrote:On June 30 2025 21:43 Uldridge wrote:
The "didn't we tell you", leopard ate my face attitude isn't fueling culture wars?
Show compassion for those that have been misguided, I believe that's a positive trait that's been around for a few millenia. I even believe it's been used in a couple of those books that we have been basing our societies on.
But what the hell, let's let them get some of their own medicine. Dumbass hicks. + Show Spoiler +
The problem is that they are totally fine with it hurting other people. Then they only think it is bad that it hurts them, but often still double down on the thing in general.
That makes it really hard to show compassion to them. They fuck shit up for everyone, were told that that what they do will indeed fuck shit up for everyone including themselves, they still do the thing, and once they go surprised Pikachu that it actually hurts themselves and not just other people, we need to feel sorry for them?
I would still prefer that they hadn't done the thing to begin with, but the hope is that once it hurts themselves, they will notice that the thing is a bad thing, and stop doing it. It's remarkable to me how quickly/uncritically accelerationism has become the norm around here. No, accelerationism is voting to break the system in the hope that in some mythical future the system will be rebuilt better. What people are advocating is that the harm is going to happen anyway, might aswell hope it hits the people who voted for it. Voting isn't required as part of accelerationism. People are advocating that increased suffering will lead to a realization and political realignment. That's accelerationism. No one here is advocating for increased suffering, just that the existing suffering hits the people who advocated for that suffering. Really, you're all advocating for Trump to successfully help his constituents?
GH, I know you're not that incapable of understanding the point people are making. You actively refuse to understand it.
I'll try this angle: the point is that we know with certainty that a massive rock is going to hit a crowd. What people are saying is that we prefer if innocents don't get hit by the rock. If anyone has to get hit, preferably it hits only guilty people.
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On July 01 2025 00:14 Simberto wrote:
Half are below the mean, but only about 14% are one standard deviation below the mean, which is an IQ of 85. Also, your argument is confusing here.
You seemed to first claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ are too stupid to be evil.
Now you seem to claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ aren't that stupid anyways, which would invalidate your previous argument.
How developed do you think the ethical framework is going to be? I considered "evilness" to have a certain sophistication that is more than just "I deserve to be kept safe and I don't care about others, no in fact, screw the others". That's like baseline tribalism.
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On July 01 2025 00:27 LightSpectra wrote:
You're intelligent enough to not persistently misunderstand people explicitly saying they don't want additional suffering. What's the point of this trolling?
I think he's saying that this level of thought is simply the first in a series of steps fhe inevitably leads down the road of kill all people who voted for Trump because of this or that, but I may be wrong.
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On July 01 2025 00:38 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:14 Simberto wrote:
Half are below the mean, but only about 14% are one standard deviation below the mean, which is an IQ of 85. Also, your argument is confusing here.
You seemed to first claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ are too stupid to be evil.
Now you seem to claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ aren't that stupid anyways, which would invalidate your previous argument. How developed do you think the ethical framework is going to be? I considered "evilness" to have a certain sophistication that is more than just "I deserve to be kept safe and I don't care about others, no in fact, screw the others". That's like baseline tribalism.
I don't believe that the average MAGA supporter is cleverly twirling their moustache like an evil villain, but that doesn't mean they're absolved from saying and doing hateful and harmful things.
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I know the point people are making, I'm pointing out that
1. The suffering isn't inevitable/required/etc
2. The advocacy for (targeted) suffering is accelerationist in its hope that it changes the politics of the (targeted) people suffering.
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That simply not being what the word "accelerationism" means whatsoever aside, how is the suffering not inevitable at this stage?
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How much blame or "i told you so" should someone get when they can't properly ascertain the impact of what they're actually doing?
I feel bad for people who can't see beyond their own nose. Instead of berating them for the umpteenth time, I like to meet them with compassion.
By the way, you lot were doing the same shtick in 2016. You didn't chalk it up to ignorance as far as I can remember. You've been stoking the flames since then. Never have you shown compassion. Only ever was it: lol the leopards are their faces. Maybe without the lol and more with a somber acknowledgement of being correct. But still, the sassy mudslinging of trying to be right over this shit still comes back to my base claim that this is doing nothing but fuel the culture wars. Maybe you guys do need another civil war, just to get it out of your system though, the South has been itching for a while to get back at you.
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On July 01 2025 00:55 Uldridge wrote:
How much blame or "i told you so" should someone get when they can't properly ascertain the impact of what they're actually doing?
Enough for them to stop doing that. They need to feel like they've made an idiotic mistake to wisen up. If they're perpetually cradled into thinking they have no agency, they have no reason to change.
I feel bad for people who can't see beyond their own nose. Instead of berating them for the umpteenth time, I like to meet them with compassion.
I forgive people who voted Trump in 2016, but since then he's cut taxes for the rich, killed a hundred thousand people with his negligent response to COVID, and become an adjudicated rapist. If you still voted for him in 2024 despite that, you're beyond where compassionate understanding can reach. You need dedicated therapy.
By the way, you lot were doing the same shtick in 2016. You didn't chalk it up to ignorance as far as I can remember. You've been stoking the flames since then. Never have you shown compassion. Only ever was it: lol the leopards are their faces. Maybe without the lol and more with a somber acknowledgement of being correct. But still, the sassy mudslinging of trying to be right over this shit still comes back to my base claim that this is doing nothing but fuel the culture wars. Maybe you guys do need another civil war, just to get it out of your system though, the South has been itching for a while to get back at you.
You're now literally doing the same thing you've been berating people for in the past two pages of this thread.
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On July 01 2025 01:00 LightSpectra wrote:
You're now literally doing the same thing you've been berating people for in the past two pages of this thread.
I'm not the one calling for people deserving what they've "done to themselves". I've been trying to tell you for the last two pages. But it seems like you're not open for compassion. Just like you're claiming the other side isn't open to it. Seems like a fistfight to see who's stronger is the only thing that's left.
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I'm open to compassion to people willing to admit they've made a mistake. But you're essentially crying for mercy for a murderer while he's twisting the knife in his still-living victim. Not quite the same thing.
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On July 01 2025 00:38 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2025 00:14 Simberto wrote:
Half are below the mean, but only about 14% are one standard deviation below the mean, which is an IQ of 85. Also, your argument is confusing here.
You seemed to first claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ are too stupid to be evil.
Now you seem to claim that people at 80 or 90 IQ aren't that stupid anyways, which would invalidate your previous argument. How developed do you think the ethical framework is going to be? I considered "evilness" to have a certain sophistication that is more than just "I deserve to be kept safe and I don't care about others, no in fact, screw the others". That's like baseline tribalism.
Evil takes many forms. The comic book version - evil for the sake of evil - is so rare that it almost doesn't exist.
There are far more common forms of evil.
1) I'm being accused of doing evil, but that is false (denial).
2) The other side is evil, therefore I am allowed to return the favor (anger).
3) If I do good, then evil wins (bargaining).
4) Good deeds will be punished (depression).
5) I do evil for the greater good (acceptance).
There are more examples and variations. I like these ones because I think they fit the "five stages of grief" (you may disagree, that's fine. It's not meant to be accurate).
Trump supporters fall into one or some of these categories. The first one is often true, because it absolves the evil-doer of all evil. But the other four - despite accepting evil - also follow a rationale of de facto goodness. None of them require someone to be "truly evil" so-to-speak.
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