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Jon Stewart had a very good segment about how US politics is basically WWE wrestling after the Trump / Zelenskyy meeting.
I don't really think this feud is kayfabe tho, I also don't think that Elon would ever align with Democrats again, he'd much rather try to do a "third way", he doesn't seem like a person who likes admitting that he was wrong and he has talked a lot of shit about Democrats.
Obviously, them trying to court him is incredibly stupid and slimy, but they have been trying to crawl up Nethyanahu's ass for 20 years and obviously learned no lessons form it so I wouldn't be shocked if they went that way.
I just hope they (Elon and Trump) do as much damage to each other as possible.
My favorite meme from this so far:
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On June 06 2025 17:19 BlackJack wrote:
When I watched wrestling as a kid you would see wrestlers “turn heel” as they say. Like Hulk Hogan joining the NWO and betraying his friends like Sting and Macho Man. That would continue on for months as the story line. But eventually Hulk Hogan went back to being a good guy again and backstabbed the villains he had joined up with. It took the audience about 0.5 seconds to lose their minds and enthusiastically embrace Hulk Hogan as the true American hero despite the fact he spent many months beating up the other fan favorites. If the average person follows politics the way they follow WWE then the left will surely embrace Elon again if he embraces their brand of politics. But I also stopped watching wrestling when I was like 10 and found out it was staged/scripted so we’d really need to call in the WWE expert JimmyJ to confirm my theory.
How the average person follows politics is closer to how they follow football. They choose their team, that will always be their team, they will always support their team; they can criticise their team, but fans of other teams cannot criticise their team.
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On June 06 2025 16:42 KwarK wrote:Fuckers.
Luckily, they aren't in charge of middles 
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On June 06 2025 16:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
Which people? Progressives will never buy his cars again. You can’t come back from a Sieg Heil.
There’s this thing conservatives do where they literally can’t understand what it’s like to have values, only adversarial teams. They assume that everyone else supports their team and hates the other team purely because it’s the team. For them a fight between Trump and Musk must necessarily be problematic for progressives because they believe a progressive must now welcome either Trump or Musk onto their team. They consider this some kind of trap. They literally cannot understand that neither Trump nor Musk passes a value based judgement because they’re unfamiliar with the idea of values. They think we hated them both yesterday because yesterday they were the other team and that today something has changed. It hasn’t, we hate them for what they do. But you’ll never get a conservative to understand this because if they were capable of understanding values then they wouldn’t be a conservative in the first place. It’s the blind hatred of the other team that makes them a conservative, it’s in their core.
I... would love to live in a world like that. I am afraid we are not however.
just picture US car manufacturing... slowly retracting to mince words. because to some extent it will falter under the pressure. now imagine a politician's first instinct once people - former auto workers/investors - make a big patriotic fuss about Commiecars invading our beautiful (badly maintained ;p) highways!
also if Elon "goes away" the point is moot anyway.
and while it definitely is true Rs suck at living up to certain values... inflation there is very high on the D front as well, some minor exceptions (Bernie/AOC maybe to name the most prominent). it's also a sign of the times it seems. and how we view economic success.
Trumplandia is just a bottomless pit of depravity. how he was able to capture a whole party, crazy. they deserve it though, their media ecosystem of lies and fake outrage primed their base to fall for it. and "the best people" that after they outlived their usefulness or simply fail - or worst of all do not tow the leader's line... suddenly turn into the worst people.
I so hope the check is due for Rs. and very soon. midterms cannot come soon enough.
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On June 06 2025 17:12 Falling wrote:
Even beyond Seig Heil, Elon just tried to destroy the inner workings of the government and had his techbros without security clearance crawling all over areas they should never have had access to. Broadly, I'm for smaller government and cutting back on its inefficiencies but what Elon did was a travesty to anyone serious about finding waste and removing useless bureaucracy.
You have to know how a thing works in order to know what can and cannot be removed and Elon clearly knew very little. I've only done a cursory reading on what Clinton and Al Gore did, but it sounds a lot closer to what I would imagine such a process would be. Anyways, after his tech bros finished their drug-induced bender in what world can Democrats try and welcome Elon? Because that's who you are inviting in. Keep him the hell away from your party if you still want to make the case to the American citizens that Elon was incompetent and dangerous and was harming the federal government's ability to do its job.
I wouldn't want him any where near the Conservatives up here, so that should be doubly true for the Democrats.
Aye he’s pretty divisive amongst the more regular, non-populist conservative types in the UK to my understanding, I believe plenty in Europe are in a similar boat.
Aside from indignation over his idiotic interjections in our politics and throwing shade at the nation(s), the past while has done huge damage to his rep for some conservatives here too. Be it through incompetence, lack of decorum, or just a sense that billionaires buying and bullying their way into politics in which a brazen manner is a bit much.
Plus I think for many folks, Musk wasn’t really on the radar, he was just the green car/Space guy. He was only a ballbag to many when they learned more about him, which was hard to avoid if you folllowed any news at all.
It’s a bit of a crude conversion, but if right wing Dems are vaguely equivalent to European centre right parties and their constituency, he’s not especially popular there to say the least.
Musk’s biggest problem in this domain is, he went around slaughtering almost all of the sacred cows of even right-leaning liberals, I dunno how you come back to the fold after that.
If I had a good mate and there’s like, one or two massive disagreements on something, I may still remain steadfast friends with them. If that friend and me have big disagreements on many things, and he makes a point of mocking my beliefs to his new group of friends, probably not gonna give him the time of day when he comes crawling back after they told him to fuck off
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I still reallly don't understand how a system can be so flimsy when it comes to privacy safety when a regime changes they can basically just call in whoever they see fit and barge into datacenters and change/steal who knows what data. Is it documented in any way, shape or form what they actually did? How is the red tape this frail? This shouldn't be dependent on who is in power... oh well. I guess the complete safety of a nation, the most powerful and sophisticatwd nation, can be at the whims of literally a handful of men. Good old hierarchy.
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On June 06 2025 21:16 Uldridge wrote:
I still reallly don't understand how a system can be so flimsy when it comes to privacy safety when a regime changes they can basically just call in whoever they see fit and barge into datacenters and change/steal who knows what data. Is it documented in any way, shape or form what they actually did? How is the red tape this frail? This shouldn't be dependent on who is in power... oh well. I guess the complete safety of a nation, the most powerful and sophisticatwd nation, can be at the whims of literally a handful of men. Good old hierarchy.
In a saner country, brazenly breaking laws like this would result in impeachment. But Republicans are OK with corruption and aren't going to do that.
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The issue is that Republicans believe everyone and everything is corrupt anyway, so it doesn't matter.
It's not that they "like" corruption, they just see it as the natural order of things and therefore it's not worth going after their own for it as long as they are "winning".
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Well, maybe. They say "both sides bad" when they're trying to convince Democrats not to vote, but when they're talking to themselves they say shit like "Trump was personally chosen by God" and "who else would give up their billionaire lifestyle just to fight for everyday Americans?"
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Lets say Trump coms out on top of this and keeps most of his fanboys. Are they going to actually have to admit that he is the worst hirer in the history of ever. Like why do all these bestest people just end up being enemies of America.
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They'll say "He got Elon to give him $250m, took the fall for unpopular federal cuts, and then dumped him on the curb without paying him a cent. Genius move" or something else asinine like that, I would imagine
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Sounds like it could happen. But either way they lost the biggest donor in Republican party history and he was not wrong when he said that he swung the election. Not only by his massive donations, but also because he controls what twitter shows. There is no question that this public tantrum in the school lunchroom is going to hurt the Republican party. They are in a worse position this morning than yesterday.
And lets be real, we all know Trump Always Chickens Out, so at some point he will be the one to back down.
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On June 06 2025 17:00 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 16:50 Zambrah wrote:
disenfranchising their voting base for no good reason other than they love the taste of conservative dick in their mouth. Progressives aren't really their voting base. America isn't very left wing.
Center left types aren’t going to be predisposed to liking the Cheneys or Elon either. Democrats spent like ten years hating George Bush and his associates, were currently in the hating Trump and his associates process, I don’t understand what Democrat that isnt in the DNC is supposed to be into courting some of the most hated conservative freaks.
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On June 06 2025 23:29 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 17:00 KwarK wrote:On June 06 2025 16:50 Zambrah wrote:
disenfranchising their voting base for no good reason other than they love the taste of conservative dick in their mouth. Progressives aren't really their voting base. America isn't very left wing. Center left types aren’t going to be predisposed to liking the Cheneys or Elon either. Democrats spent like ten years hating George Bush and his associates, were currently in the hating Trump and his associates process, I don’t understand what Democrat that isnt in the DNC is supposed to be into courting some of the most hated conservative freaks.
Liz Cheney came out for a few Harris rallies to say "this election isn't just Republicans versus Democrats, it's authoritarianism versus democracy", which she had credibility to say because she was on the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack. People acting like Democrats collectively forgave all of the entire Cheney family's sins is wild.
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I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.
I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.
I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened.
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I think a lot of the complaints are from people who do not understand game theory and the rules of this particular game. Also, everyone has a opinion on why they lost and believe they are right because they lost.
Right now I think the Dems stepping back a bit and letting this version of the Republicans show what they are really all about is a good strategy.
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On June 06 2025 23:51 Billyboy wrote:
I think a lot of the complaints are from people who do not understand game theory and the rules of this particular game. Also, everyone has a opinion on why they lost and believe they are right because they lost.
Right now I think the Dems stepping back a bit and letting this version of the Republicans show what they are really all about is a good strategy.
That’s not what they’re contemplating doing right now, they contemplating hanging out with possibly the least popular conservative billionaire freak, peeling off the least desirable MAGA freaks and trying to tie yourself to them is possibly the dumbest political instinct I can imagine.
It’d be smarter if they all did collectively sit back and let the freaks crash out in the corner.
I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.
I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.
I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened.
That’s definitely how the US left feels, but I think even normal Democrats find the Cheneys pretty repugnant, a lot of us grew up in the Bush years and remember Dick Cheney as being pretty constantly portrayed as a concentrated form of evil.
Either way, their actions generally don’t seem to sway right wingers and seem to depress their normal voters/on and off voters. I guess I look forward to their potential Elon Redemption Tour, it would at least be interesting watching them whore themselves out for billionaire money in the most flagrant way yet.
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On June 06 2025 23:47 Jankisa wrote:
I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.
I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.
I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened.
Biden succeeded in winning over the middle folks because he's an old white dude. Democrats need to understand how huge misogyny is in both Hispanic and Latino communities. Democrats thinking it was a remotely good idea to have a black woman run a centrist campaign is a beautiful example of how detached from actual society they are.
Its funny how democrats love to carry themselves as if hispanics and black people are core voters for them, yet they expected a black woman to do well. Hispanic racism towards black people, black misogyny, Hispanic misogyny, what in the world were these dummies thinking.
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On June 07 2025 03:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 23:47 Jankisa wrote:
I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.
I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.
I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened. Biden succeeded in winning over the middle folks because he's an old white dude. Democrats need to understand how huge misogyny is in both Hispanic and Latino communities. Democrats thinking it was a remotely good idea to have a black woman run a centrist campaign is a beautiful example of how detached from actual society they are. Its funny how democrats love to carry themselves as if hispanics and black people are core voters for them, yet they expected a black woman to do well. Hispanic racism towards black people, black misogyny, Hispanic misogyny, what in the world were these dummies thinking.
Think Claudia Sheinbaum demonstrates the misogyny isn't the issue.
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Black & Hispanic misogyny definitely exists, but it was a lot worse for Harris than it was for Clinton, and the disparity is almost entirely because Gen Z men as a whole are considerably more misogynist than Millennials and Gen X were at the same age. Which comes down to being because Youtube is shoving Andrew Tate videos in pubescent boys' faces the moment they get unrestricted Internet access.
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