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On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes.
While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there.
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On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there.
Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning.
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On June 07 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there. Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning.
No.
We would oppose the candidate in the primary and at every other possible opportunity. Then, in the general election, we would compare Musk's candidate to their opponent and vote for the lesser evil. Hopefully there would be a realistic third party candidate but if there wasn't one with any chance of success then it'd be down to voting between the two. I may vote Republican in that scenario, it depends.
It's baffling that after all this time and after having it explained to you over and over you still don't understand how voting in a simple plurality system works. At every point you pick your preferred of the choices you have because by refusing to pick you cede the decision to deplorables.
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On June 08 2025 00:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there. Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning. No. We would oppose the candidate in the primary and at every other possible opportunity. Then, in the general election, we would compare Musk's candidate to their opponent and vote for the lesser evil. Hopefully there would be a realistic third party candidate but if there wasn't one with any chance of success then it'd be down to voting between the two. I may vote Republican in that scenario, it depends. It's baffling that after all this time and after having it explained to you over and over you still don't understand how voting in a simple plurality system works. At every point you pick your preferred of the choices you have because by refusing to pick you cede the decision to deplorables.
Will you name a Republican you'd support over Musk's pick (for the sake of simplicity we'll assume Musk's candidate would basically be a puppet doing his bidding) for us?
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On June 07 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there. Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning.
If we didn't do that for Tulsi Gabbard in 2020 then why would we do that now, when Musk is even more of a disgrace than before?
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On June 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 00:36 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there. Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning. No. We would oppose the candidate in the primary and at every other possible opportunity. Then, in the general election, we would compare Musk's candidate to their opponent and vote for the lesser evil. Hopefully there would be a realistic third party candidate but if there wasn't one with any chance of success then it'd be down to voting between the two. I may vote Republican in that scenario, it depends. It's baffling that after all this time and after having it explained to you over and over you still don't understand how voting in a simple plurality system works. At every point you pick your preferred of the choices you have because by refusing to pick you cede the decision to deplorables. Will you name a Republican you'd support over Musk's pick (for the sake of simplicity we'll assume Musk's candidate would basically be a puppet doing his bidding) for us?
Chris Christie is mostly a known quantity. Wouldn't love his administration but probably a safe pair of hands and wouldn't stage a coup.
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On June 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 00:36 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2025 21:41 Gahlo wrote:On June 06 2025 16:18 Velr wrote:On June 06 2025 15:58 KT_Elwood wrote:
People already starting to accept Musk back as "Real Life Tony Stark".
The attention span of the average voter seems to be...oh ice cream.
You have any sort of proof of that?I'm sure you can find a few morons on reddit that post such stuff but these were allways the hardcore Elon fanboys that followed him to Trump and will follow him wherever he goes. While it's not hard proof, Kat Abughazaleh was asked if she'd accept a campaign donation from Musk on CNN so the MSM is already trying to float that idea out there. Let's be real, Musk could hand pick the next Democrat nominee by promising the party a billion dollars and every lib/Dem/ilk here would aggressively support Musk his pick winning. No. We would oppose the candidate in the primary and at every other possible opportunity. Then, in the general election, we would compare Musk's candidate to their opponent and vote for the lesser evil. Hopefully there would be a realistic third party candidate but if there wasn't one with any chance of success then it'd be down to voting between the two. I may vote Republican in that scenario, it depends. It's baffling that after all this time and after having it explained to you over and over you still don't understand how voting in a simple plurality system works. At every point you pick your preferred of the choices you have because by refusing to pick you cede the decision to deplorables. Will you name a Republican you'd support over Musk's pick (for the sake of simplicity we'll assume Musk's candidate would basically be a puppet doing his bidding) for us?
I know nothing about US politics on an individual level and am not KwarK. So I started at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign#U.S._senators
Checked first one by googling and got https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/120345/todd-young . Better than a Musk puppet on first try.
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Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term?
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On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term?
Picking Musk puppet and planning assassination so VP takes over?
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What does "Musk puppet" mean in this context? Took his money, ostensibly as lobbying from SpaceX? Or like the relationship Vance has with Peter Thiel?
The former I would criticize but still vote for, the latter has as much chance to win the Democratic primary as a Never Trumper has to win the Republican primary and is not even worth discussing as a hypothetical.
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Antifa and leftist protestors/extremists spent Friday obstructing federal officers in LA. After ICE/FBI/DEA executed warrants in LA, someone found out, a mob showed up from concerned citizens who left work as soon as they heard about it and encircled the federal building. One guy got run over by a gov't vehicle, but it's more like he was running backwards in front of it, fell down and it stopped. LAPD also came, not for any enforcement but to disperse the protest, because people were doing things like smashing city concrete to turn into pieces to hurl at LEO. Mayor of LA reiterated she and her people won't stand for federal law being enforced in her neck of the woods:
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This is heating up as now the administration wants to cut off federal funding from California for not following federal law, and in return Newsom is floating the idea of withholding California tax revenues from the federal government, which is a speedrun to the Insurrection Act.
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A quick google tells me that recently California received ~$490B from the federal government and paid ~$568B for a difference of $78B. I haven't read any news about the past couple of days, but the strategy I could see making sense is offsetting each reduced dollar of federal funding with one reduced dollar of federal payments (rather than just all or nothing).
So, for example, if all $490B in federal funding were instantly cut off, California would still pay $78B. The result is net-neutral and takes "punishing with reduced federal funding" off the table until something new is done.
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On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term?
I'm having trouble understanding the Democratic candidate side of this hypothetical. Are we assuming that the Democratic candidate wouldn't actually enforce a moderate, establishment, liberal agenda, but rather instead be a complete mystery and do whatever Musk wanted?
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On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term?
Look, if you have a specific answer in mind for us then just do what you always do and tell us what you imagine we said so that you can straw man it.
Don't ask a question as part of a set up to prove that someone thinks X, get answer Y because they don't actually think X at all, and then start changing the question to try and force them to say X. It's a waste of time.
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On June 08 2025 01:19 oBlade wrote:Antifa and leftist protestors/extremists spent Friday obstructing federal officers in LA. After ICE/FBI/DEA executed warrants in LA, someone found out, a mob showed up from concerned citizens who left work as soon as they heard about it and encircled the federal building. One guy got run over by a gov't vehicle, but it's more like he was running backwards in front of it, fell down and it stopped. LAPD also came, not for any enforcement but to disperse the protest, because people were doing things like smashing city concrete to turn into pieces to hurl at LEO. Mayor of LA reiterated she and her people won't stand for federal law being enforced in her neck of the woods: + Show Spoiler +This is heating up as now the administration wants to cut off federal funding from California for not following federal law, and in return Newsom is floating the idea of withholding California tax revenues from the federal government, which is a speedrun to the Insurrection Act.
Can you possibly frame things in a more lopsided way? Almost every single ICE arrest that is taking place has normal ass civilians trying to stop or call attention to secret police who are masked and have no accountability who are kidnapping people without due process. If Joe Biden was sending federal agents into random ass churches to arrest pedo priests and pastors and zip tying their children and sending them to foreign gulags without due process, would you be giving them the benefit of the doubt?
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On June 08 2025 01:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term? I'm having trouble understanding the Democratic candidate side of this hypothetical. Are we assuming that the Democratic candidate wouldn't actually enforce a moderate, establishment, liberal agenda, but rather instead be a complete mystery and do whatever Musk wanted?
Someone like Fetterman gets basically bought completely by Musk (while probably getting to retain 1 or 2 local/pet issues). Then on the condition of making him the nominee, Musk buys out enough of the rest of the party so that he's ~50% or more of their fundraising. Between the Democrats suckling from Musk's teet and Republicans that already agree/also owe their seats to Musk, they pass whatever he tells them to and someone like Fetterman signs it into law.
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On June 08 2025 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 01:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term? I'm having trouble understanding the Democratic candidate side of this hypothetical. Are we assuming that the Democratic candidate wouldn't actually enforce a moderate, establishment, liberal agenda, but rather instead be a complete mystery and do whatever Musk wanted? Someone like Fetterman gets basically bought completely by Musk (while probably getting to retain 1 or 2 local/pet issues). Then on the condition of making him the nominee, Musk buys out enough of the rest of the party so that he's ~50% or more of their fundraising. Between the Democrats suckling from Musk's teet and Republicans that already agree/also owe their seats to Musk, they pass whatever he tells them to and someone like Fetterman signs it into law.
Musk is toast dude, there may be some centrist democrats who will be swayed over to him (thats if Elon actually turns hard against Trump which is a massive improbability), but the next democrat candidate in 2028 is going to be a progressive. theres just no way a corporate center right democrat is gonna come out of the primary and beat AOC or Pritzker.
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On June 08 2025 10:53 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 08 2025 01:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term? I'm having trouble understanding the Democratic candidate side of this hypothetical. Are we assuming that the Democratic candidate wouldn't actually enforce a moderate, establishment, liberal agenda, but rather instead be a complete mystery and do whatever Musk wanted? Someone like Fetterman gets basically bought completely by Musk (while probably getting to retain 1 or 2 local/pet issues). Then on the condition of making him the nominee, Musk buys out enough of the rest of the party so that he's ~50% or more of their fundraising. Between the Democrats suckling from Musk's teet and Republicans that already agree/also owe their seats to Musk, they pass whatever he tells them to and someone like Fetterman signs it into law. Musk is toast dude, there may be some centrist democrats who will be swayed over to him (thats if Elon actually turns hard against Trump which is a massive improbability), but the next democrat candidate in 2028 is going to be a progressive. theres just no way a corporate center right democrat is gonna come out of the primary and beat AOC or Pritzker.
I mean I'm generally skeptical, but when you finished by naming a different billionaire, I realized you were joking.
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On June 08 2025 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2025 01:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 08 2025 01:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
Try some that could win a Republican primary?
I'm actually most curious about Musk puppet vs Trump 3rd term? I'm having trouble understanding the Democratic candidate side of this hypothetical. Are we assuming that the Democratic candidate wouldn't actually enforce a moderate, establishment, liberal agenda, but rather instead be a complete mystery and do whatever Musk wanted? Someone like Fetterman gets basically bought completely by Musk (while probably getting to retain 1 or 2 local/pet issues). Then on the condition of making him the nominee, Musk buys out enough of the rest of the party so that he's ~50% or more of their fundraising. Between the Democrats suckling from Musk's teet and Republicans that already agree/also owe their seats to Musk, they pass whatever he tells them to and someone like Fetterman signs it into law.
Thanks for the clarification!
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