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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5765 Posts
June 06 2025 18:52 GMT
#99961
On June 06 2025 21:16 Uldridge wrote:
I still reallly don't understand how a system can be so flimsy when it comes to privacy safety when a regime changes they can basically just call in whoever they see fit and barge into datacenters and change/steal who knows what data. Is it documented in any way, shape or form what they actually did? How is the red tape this frail? This shouldn't be dependent on who is in power... oh well. I guess the complete safety of a nation, the most powerful and sophisticatwd nation, can be at the whims of literally a handful of men. Good old hierarchy.

They were stopped at times, courts in a few cases ruled that government employees couldn't access certain data to look for fraud unless they had evidence of fraud first.

Other than the 12 million people older than 120 they erased from Social Security databases, what data do you think they would change, or especially steal, and to what end? Beyond being worried we have no proof that someone didn't steal something, what's the worst case scenario actually look like?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
June 06 2025 18:54 GMT
#99962
On June 07 2025 03:51 LightSpectra wrote:
Black & Hispanic misogyny definitely exists, but it was a lot worse for Harris than it was for Clinton, and the disparity is almost entirely because Gen Z men as a whole are considerably more misogynist than Millennials and Gen X were at the same age. Which comes down to being because Youtube is shoving Andrew Tate videos in pubescent boys' faces the moment they get unrestricted Internet access.


You have to love the position of a major tech CEO, on one hand, you get to push right wing madness onto the youth which makes you popular to the Republicans, on the other hand, you're extremely rich and Democrats will give you infinite grace with regards to pushing right wing madness onto the youth. It really doesnt seem like they can lose, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1878 Posts
June 06 2025 19:05 GMT
#99963
On June 07 2025 03:54 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 03:51 LightSpectra wrote:
Black & Hispanic misogyny definitely exists, but it was a lot worse for Harris than it was for Clinton, and the disparity is almost entirely because Gen Z men as a whole are considerably more misogynist than Millennials and Gen X were at the same age. Which comes down to being because Youtube is shoving Andrew Tate videos in pubescent boys' faces the moment they get unrestricted Internet access.


You have to love the position of a major tech CEO, on one hand, you get to push right wing madness onto the youth which makes you popular to the Republicans, on the other hand, you're extremely rich and Democrats will give you infinite grace with regards to pushing right wing madness onto the youth. It really doesnt seem like they can lose, lol


Biden's DoJ started the process of breaking up Google, so it's not like they were doing nothing. It's unfortunately a somewhat complicated issue to navigate politically. The best solution would've been to use the FCC to impede social media from dumping extremist propaganda on people, but that likely would've gotten clogged up and eventually killed by lawsuits on a free speech basis.

Bipartisan legislation would obviously go nowhere. About ten years ago Republicans were accusing social media sites of having a left-leaning bias, which was blatantly untrue, but it was true that at the time Democrats were better at utilizing social media for GOtV initiatives, so they didn't want to handicap themselves by strangling Facebook, Twitter, and Google. Now that the tide's flipped and those owners are blatantly on the side of Trump, Republicans have no interest in regulating them anymore.

The only thing we can really do at this point is boycott Meta, X, and Tiktok and hope people organically move to less shit social media outlets. Maybe a European alternative will overtake one or all of them eventually.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
June 06 2025 20:22 GMT
#99964
The only thing we can really do at this point is boycott Meta, X, and Tiktok and hope people organically move to less shit social media outlets. Maybe a European alternative will overtake one or all of them eventually.


Hopefully someone with power will manage to do more than this, because this is realistically nothing. Some sort of structural power has to do something or people have to make them do something.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21952 Posts
June 06 2025 20:36 GMT
#99965
On June 07 2025 04:05 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 03:54 Zambrah wrote:
On June 07 2025 03:51 LightSpectra wrote:
Black & Hispanic misogyny definitely exists, but it was a lot worse for Harris than it was for Clinton, and the disparity is almost entirely because Gen Z men as a whole are considerably more misogynist than Millennials and Gen X were at the same age. Which comes down to being because Youtube is shoving Andrew Tate videos in pubescent boys' faces the moment they get unrestricted Internet access.


You have to love the position of a major tech CEO, on one hand, you get to push right wing madness onto the youth which makes you popular to the Republicans, on the other hand, you're extremely rich and Democrats will give you infinite grace with regards to pushing right wing madness onto the youth. It really doesnt seem like they can lose, lol


Biden's DoJ started the process of breaking up Google, so it's not like they were doing nothing. It's unfortunately a somewhat complicated issue to navigate politically. The best solution would've been to use the FCC to impede social media from dumping extremist propaganda on people, but that likely would've gotten clogged up and eventually killed by lawsuits on a free speech basis.

Bipartisan legislation would obviously go nowhere. About ten years ago Republicans were accusing social media sites of having a left-leaning bias, which was blatantly untrue, but it was true that at the time Democrats were better at utilizing social media for GOtV initiatives, so they didn't want to handicap themselves by strangling Facebook, Twitter, and Google. Now that the tide's flipped and those owners are blatantly on the side of Trump, Republicans have no interest in regulating them anymore.

The only thing we can really do at this point is boycott Meta, X, and Tiktok and hope people organically move to less shit social media outlets. Maybe a European alternative will overtake one or all of them eventually.
The platform isn't the issue, human psychology is. Negatively resonates harder then positivity, any platform given time will reach the same state of negative fuelled echo chambers.

And boycotting does absolutely nothing, the people boycotting it are the same people who already know how toxic that shit can be. The people being effected aren't seeing that and so aren't going to boycott it.

The best I can see you hoping for is a minimum age for social media, and that won't really work either because we all know no one underaged has ever watched porn on the internet...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1878 Posts
June 06 2025 21:04 GMT
#99966
I definitely agree with both of the above comments, it's just there isn't really much Democrats can do about it. Even if a Democrat becomes president in 2029, even if they appoint an FCC commissioner with the guts to take on Meta/Google/X, even if such regulation miraculously survives all through the Supreme Court, which are all huge IFs, that still means the social media giants get free rein to poison minds internationally until like 2031 at the absolute earliest.

If grassroots activism and/or Europe don't save us, we're at their mercy for the foreseeable future.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15724 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-06 21:10:00
June 06 2025 21:09 GMT
#99967
On June 07 2025 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 03:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 06 2025 23:47 Jankisa wrote:
I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.

I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.

I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened.


Biden succeeded in winning over the middle folks because he's an old white dude. Democrats need to understand how huge misogyny is in both Hispanic and Latino communities. Democrats thinking it was a remotely good idea to have a black woman run a centrist campaign is a beautiful example of how detached from actual society they are.

Its funny how democrats love to carry themselves as if hispanics and black people are core voters for them, yet they expected a black woman to do well. Hispanic racism towards black people, black misogyny, Hispanic misogyny, what in the world were these dummies thinking.

Think Claudia Sheinbaum demonstrates the misogyny isn't the issue.


2 very different countries with 2 very different cultures. I don't think the 2 can be compared.

Sheinbaum is also the type of Latina that causes men to stand up straight. Similarly, Jasmine Crockett would avoid losing quite as many hispanic and black men as Harris did.

I say this as an ignorant hispanic guy, but I spent a lot of time living in black neighborhoods. There is a certain aura that Harris simply did not have. Jasmine Crockett has this aura. I will just kinda vaguely gesture at that and not speak beyond my expertise.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-06 21:16:19
June 06 2025 21:15 GMT
#99968
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24740 Posts
June 06 2025 21:52 GMT
#99969
On June 07 2025 06:15 Zambrah wrote:
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.

What female politicians who served elected as Senator, Congresswoman, or Governor would you consider to be much more on the charismatic side? Just curious.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15724 Posts
June 06 2025 22:02 GMT
#99970
On June 07 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 06:15 Zambrah wrote:
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.

What female politicians who served elected as Senator, Congresswoman, or Governor would you consider to be much more on the charismatic side? Just curious.

Jasmine Crockett is my top pick for 2028 so far. She's got plenty of charisma
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18114 Posts
June 06 2025 22:09 GMT
#99971
On June 07 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 06:15 Zambrah wrote:
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.

What female politicians who served elected as Senator, Congresswoman, or Governor would you consider to be much more on the charismatic side? Just curious.

AOC, but she has a snowball's chance in hell.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45044 Posts
June 06 2025 22:14 GMT
#99972
I agree that Jasmine Crockett and AOC both have charisma, and I really like them both, although I think that charismatic women get labeled as having "too much of an attitude" or being "too emotional", for obviously sexist reasons.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15724 Posts
June 06 2025 22:19 GMT
#99973
Jasmine >>>> AOC. AOC would be better as speaker of the house or something along those lines. Jasmine Crockett is an absolute beast
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-07 00:14:10
June 07 2025 00:12 GMT
#99974
On June 07 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 06:15 Zambrah wrote:
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.

What female politicians who served elected as Senator, Congresswoman, or Governor would you consider to be much more on the charismatic side? Just curious.


AOC is solid, though doesn't strike me as as smooth as Obama, but I think can come off as genuine enough to compensate. I think Jasmine Crockett's pretty good, uhhhh... I think thats it, I dunno if theres many more Id consider charismatic, because Im not familiar with all of them, but of the ones I hear in the news I guess those are the two I think are the most charismatic.

Looking at male ones too and theres not a whole lot of Democrats Id consider particularly charismatic from that side either, mostly like Bernie and Pete is fairly charismatic, more in that slicker, smarter Obama way than the genuine-beliefs-populist sort of way that Id identify Bernie with.

When I think back on Democrats in the news it seems like its always for crap reasons like Kathy Hochul opening up a fucking CEO therapy call line after Brian Johnson got shot, or Chuck Schumer generally being incompetent opposition and wanting everyone to suck Israel's dick, or the recent Ro Khanna thing of wanting to get with a Nazi fuck, or Biden's cognitive decline and the huge defense campaign over it, or the everything-decline of Dianne Feinstein, or John Fettermen's post-stroke-madness.

The Democrats do not seem to have good press, lol. They really need to focus on dredging up and promoting more slick, corporate Buttigieg types or genuine, outsider-y AOC types.

EDIT: Wow, beat to it, guess those are the obvious choices, lol.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43219 Posts
June 07 2025 00:27 GMT
#99975
Taylor Swift would be old enough to run.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
June 07 2025 00:31 GMT
#99976
On June 07 2025 06:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 07 2025 03:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 06 2025 23:47 Jankisa wrote:
I think people objected to the Harris campaign highlighting and having a tour with Chaney instead of trying to go and grab more voters from the left.

I tend to agree, I think you can see from the depressed turnout that some people who came out for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused, and I get it, there was nothing to really be excited about except business as usual, and at that moment for progressives business as usual was shouting down Gaza protestors and inflation.

I don't think those voters were right, but I can kind of get how it happened.


Biden succeeded in winning over the middle folks because he's an old white dude. Democrats need to understand how huge misogyny is in both Hispanic and Latino communities. Democrats thinking it was a remotely good idea to have a black woman run a centrist campaign is a beautiful example of how detached from actual society they are.

Its funny how democrats love to carry themselves as if hispanics and black people are core voters for them, yet they expected a black woman to do well. Hispanic racism towards black people, black misogyny, Hispanic misogyny, what in the world were these dummies thinking.

Think Claudia Sheinbaum demonstrates the misogyny isn't the issue.


2 very different countries with 2 very different cultures. I don't think the 2 can be compared.

Sheinbaum is also the type of Latina that causes men to stand up straight. Similarly, Jasmine Crockett would avoid losing quite as many hispanic and black men as Harris did.

I say this as an ignorant hispanic guy, but I spent a lot of time living in black neighborhoods. There is a certain aura that Harris simply did not have. Jasmine Crockett has this aura. I will just kinda vaguely gesture at that and not speak beyond my expertise.

Yeah, I think it’s less outright misogyny as such, but you gotta be a certain type of lady to rule, and that’ll vary by culture. I mean it does apply to men as well, but I think they’ve a hell of a lot more wriggle room there.

Margaret Thatcher is almost a walking British stereotype in ways, and she had a very stern but fair, reasonable but do not cross her almost matronly vibe.

Which I think resonated in some way with many men in reminding them of female authority figures from their own lives, which I think made some happy to take her seriously/vote for her as a consequence. Hell while I despise her politics even I do quite admire the personality

Quite a cold fish, so in another culture, maybe not electable.

I think there is some truth in the ‘… but when a woman does it she’s bossy’ idea, but I think it’s more complex than just being that.

It is a tightrope walk between authoritative and respected, and nagging and annoying, and the boundaries seem way, way thinner with women than men. I couldn’t tell you how my boundary there works, I tend to gravitate to assertive, argumentative and opinionated women (birds of a feather…), but sometimes other people behave almost identically and I find it absolutely intolerable.

One thing I do find is there’s plenty of ways to be authoritative and earn respect in public life. Be a hardass, be so competent likeability isn’t so important, be so slick and charismatic it pulls the wool over eyes, be very convivial and likeable, or from a long and clear record of being principled and sincere.

They’re all viable, not always equally so. Some may be harder for a women in ways, 100%.

Whatever you go for in a campaign slant, I think there are two real golden rules:
1. Whatever you pick, be personally good at what you pick. Maybe being a hardass is not doing as well in your investigatory polling, but a 10/10 hardass is going to beat a 5/10 in other categories.
2. Be somewhat consistent in your branding. If you are not, people can’t get a gauge of who you are, and that comes across as insincere, even if you don’t tell a lie for an entire campaign. As humans we are multifaceted creatures, so of course there’ll be overlap.

I think both female Presidential Democratic candidates somewhat broke both of these rules. The auld lack of XY combo was also a problem IMO, but I think their campaigns would still have been having issues if they’d have been blokes.

I have actually met Hillary Clinton (albeit in the late 90s), and closely followed US politics for ages, I don’t really have a sense of who she is. Kamala even more so.

Whether you like their politics or not, I mean you know who Donald Trump is, or Bernie Sanders, or Barack Obama or whoever. If not who they actually are, then certainly a consistent public persona.

I don’t think it’s coincidence that the two I really don’t have a gauge on there, were the two female Presidential candidates.

I don’t think it’s because they’re female, or that they lack attractive personality (in some sphere). My best guess is the campaign ‘wizards’ made some bad, bad calls in how to ‘work around it’ so to speak.

It felt like almost a combination of ‘look, a woman’ being considered galvanising enough for one cohort, and in order to placate people who might be happy to vote for a woman but for whom it was some kind of a factor, they kinda deliberately went very neutral in terms of personality.

Which I think was a terrible call. It’s hardly going to enthuse those for whom gender isn’t an issue, because they’ll be assessing the candidate without that lens. For those who it perhaps was, but not to a disqualifying degree, you’ve rounded off all the edges to such a degree that there’s nothing engaging to grasp on to.

If there’s anyone on the planet ‘stealing a living’ as we say over here more than Democratic Presidential Campaign strategists of the last couple cycles, I’m really drawing a blank. To me that’s a far bigger problem than the actual candidates (Biden’s mental decline aside).

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26032 Posts
June 07 2025 00:56 GMT
#99977
On June 07 2025 09:12 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2025 06:52 micronesia wrote:
On June 07 2025 06:15 Zambrah wrote:
Harris just doesnt have charisma, and doesnt come off as genuine (probably in part to being a pretty establishment Democrat.)

Shes like a step up from Hillary, and thats not enough to offset how little faith people have in Democrats to actually have beliefs and take action that reflects those supposed beliefs. I think Democrats need really charismatic candidates to overcome this, either more Obamas, or for the Republican to be really truly awful and also a similar level of charisma-void as Hillary.

And then they have to actually manage to accomplish something meaningful if they want to win again. People who vote for Democrats arent the same breed as the general Republican voter, Democrats actually care about a functioning government to an extent and Democrats have not made government look super functional even when theyre in power.

What female politicians who served elected as Senator, Congresswoman, or Governor would you consider to be much more on the charismatic side? Just curious.


AOC is solid, though doesn't strike me as as smooth as Obama, but I think can come off as genuine enough to compensate. I think Jasmine Crockett's pretty good, uhhhh... I think thats it, I dunno if theres many more Id consider charismatic, because Im not familiar with all of them, but of the ones I hear in the news I guess those are the two I think are the most charismatic.

Looking at male ones too and theres not a whole lot of Democrats Id consider particularly charismatic from that side either, mostly like Bernie and Pete is fairly charismatic, more in that slicker, smarter Obama way than the genuine-beliefs-populist sort of way that Id identify Bernie with.

When I think back on Democrats in the news it seems like its always for crap reasons like Kathy Hochul opening up a fucking CEO therapy call line after Brian Johnson got shot, or Chuck Schumer generally being incompetent opposition and wanting everyone to suck Israel's dick, or the recent Ro Khanna thing of wanting to get with a Nazi fuck, or Biden's cognitive decline and the huge defense campaign over it, or the everything-decline of Dianne Feinstein, or John Fettermen's post-stroke-madness.

The Democrats do not seem to have good press, lol. They really need to focus on dredging up and promoting more slick, corporate Buttigieg types or genuine, outsider-y AOC types.

EDIT: Wow, beat to it, guess those are the obvious choices, lol.

I mean Obama did rise rapidly, maybe there’s some talent we’re not super aware of, or hasn’t got much media time.

The thing with Obama is, he’s slick yeah, but you forget it. Pete really doesn’t have that second part.

In my Italian travels we had something of an analogue the other day to the ‘Obama effect’. We got chatting to an interesting Senegalese bloke in Lecce who’d been travelling the world since like 1997, had at some point lived in 24 different countries. We both knew he was working a tourist bit and there was some angle on it, he wasn’t just chatting to be nice. But he was such a likeable bloke that even though we both saw through the bit, we felt it too awkward to say no when it came to the ‘want to buy a book of my poetry’. Probably shit poetry. It’s hard to write good poetry in one language, never mind five. But didn’t mind, he wrote us a nice message, we got a selfie, and it’s a much more personal souvenir than some fridge magnet or something.

I recognise it’s unlike me to bring analogous things to the table, but I think it’s a pretty key difference. Obama’s like that guy, I know what he’s up to, he’s a slick operator. But I can’t help but like the guy (personality wise, not necessarily when he’s authorising drone strikes).

Pete just feels like a politician that’s telling you what you want to hear. You get the same warning signs from your logical brain as you get from Obama, but with Obama he somewhat overrides it in other ways.

I haven’t deep dived but on BlackJack’s recommendation I checked out the first few Gavin Newsom podcasts, similar but different thing. With Newsom I was getting the same ‘ick’ vibe, but I feel that if he just abandoned this mad idea of trying to get conservatives on board and was just himself, there’s a likeable guy there. Not Obama level charisma but, I could see that packaged.

Maybe it’s unfair to Pete and I haven’t watched hours of him in action, but in terms of vibes it’s not working on me.

If we have a company that does sales. Obama is the master salesman who could sell you what you absolutely know you don’t want, having read a book on sales techniques. Pete is the guy who’s read all the books and knows all the theories, but his numbers suck because he just gives off insincere vibes. Newsom has potential if he asked Obama for some pointers, but for some reason he’s currently brainstorming with Pete.

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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
June 07 2025 02:54 GMT
#99978
Yeah, Buttigieg is no Obama, but if I give Obama a 9/10, Buttigieg is still like a 7/10, which is like 3 points higher than the average Democrat. Hes smart, fairly well spoken, he does TV well, hes about the best Corporate Dem we have in the charisma department.

I think he may also be harmed by the decline in how people view Democrats and corporate establishment type Democrats in particular, a modern Obama might be viewed as more slimy than he did back when we had just gotten done with the Bush administration and the last Democrat president was Bill Clinton. Im obviously biased, but it feels like people are less predisposed to actively like Democrats, everything about liking most establishment Democrats feels like its a mildly desperate desire to like someone, anyone.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1085 Posts
June 07 2025 10:09 GMT
#99979
On June 07 2025 07:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I agree that Jasmine Crockett and AOC both have charisma, and I really like them both, although I think that charismatic women get labeled as having "too much of an attitude" or being "too emotional", for obviously sexist reasons.


Competence in the public eye is redefined as a heterosexual man with grey in his hair in a suit, that doesn't challenge the comfortable narrative.

No matter how much of a Hegseth he is. Merrit doesn't matter.


"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-06-07 12:22:30
June 07 2025 11:53 GMT
#99980
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/u-s-ambassador-says-canadians-facing-device-searches-detainment-not-a-pattern/ar-AA1GglFZ
Spare me the bullshit dawg.

Treat your #1 ally like your enemy and now you're whining about it? STFU.

Trump and Lutnick yap and blap away how they must make their own steel and aluminum in case of a war. These guys are such fucks. Last I checked biggest war of them all was WW2. The fucking bombs were built in Verdun, Quebec and the planes took off from Gander Newfoundland. So, please, spare me the fucking bullshit that the USA, all by itself, saved the universe in 1942.

Its weird how Americans forget history. The movie Argo grossly misrepresented how the 6 hostages were secretly escaped Iran in 1980. In Argo the Americans did everything. Thankfully, Jimmy Carter set the record straight.

Should the massive tariffs continue the big dream of America building everything from scratch within its own borders will stop when militant American unions make a big power play. The Unions will make that power play after the $5 billion manufacturing // steel // coal // aluminum plant is completed.

It is hilarious that my view that US unions' militancy contributed to industrial decline is "controversial" according to ChatGPT and other online sources. A great way to see how militant they were is to watch TV shows and movies from the 70s. A major factor in cars getting built in Canada is that the CAW is more reasonable than the UAW. Just because some random org calls itself a "union" doesn't make it a good organization. Anyhow...

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what evidence do we have that US unions were too militant in the 1970s and contributed to the decline of manufacturing in America


The claim that U.S. unions were "too militant" in the 1970s — and contributed to the decline of American manufacturing — is a controversial one. It’s debated among economists, historians, and labor scholars. But there is some evidence that suggests union militancy was a contributing factor, though not the sole or even the primary cause.

🔍 Evidence Often Cited for Union Militancy’s Role:
1. High Strike Rates and Disruptions
The 1970s saw a high number of strikes, including major ones in auto, steel, and coal industries.

Example:

1970 U.S. Postal Strike

1974 UAW strike against General Motors

1977-78 coal miners’ strike

These strikes disrupted production and supply chains, leading to losses in productivity and missed market opportunities.

2. Wage and Benefit Demands Outpacing Productivity
In heavily unionized industries (e.g., steel, auto), wage and benefit increases outpaced productivity growth.

Automakers like GM and Ford had rising unit labor costs, while foreign competitors (especially Japanese firms) produced more efficiently with leaner labor contracts.

This created a cost disadvantage for U.S. manufacturers in global markets.

3. Resistance to Technological Change
Some unions resisted automation and job reclassification, fearing job losses.

Example: The United Auto Workers (UAW) often negotiated for “job security” clauses that made it harder to implement labor-saving technology.

Companies then delayed innovation or shifted production elsewhere.

4. “Featherbedding” Practices
Some contracts mandated unnecessary or inefficient labor practices:

E.g., multiple workers required for simple tasks

Protection of outdated job roles

Critics argue this created inefficiencies that made U.S. factories less competitive.

5. Labor-Management Hostility
In many industries, adversarial labor-management relations were the norm.

Instead of collaborative problem-solving (like in Japan’s keiretsu or Germany’s codetermination model), the U.S. often saw zero-sum negotiations.

This led to low morale, low productivity, and a lack of adaptability.

⚠️ Counterpoint: Unions Were Not the Main Culprit
Many scholars argue that blaming unions is oversimplified. Other larger structural forces were more influential:

Factor Description
Globalization Cheaper manufacturing overseas — especially in Asia and Latin America — undermined U.S. industry.
Technology Automation reduced the need for labor across all sectors.
Currency and trade policy A strong dollar, trade imbalances, and policy choices hurt U.S. exports.
Management mistakes U.S. companies often failed to innovate or ignored quality issues (e.g., 1970s Detroit vs. Japanese cars).

📝 Summary
Yes, there is evidence that unions in the 1970s:

Went on frequent strikes

Demanded above-market wages

Opposed labor-saving innovation

But this only partially explains the decline in American manufacturing. More important were global competition, technological change, and poor corporate strategy.

Would you like a timeline or a side-by-side comparison of unionized vs. non-unionized firms in the 1970s–80s?
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