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On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg.
It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically.
On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
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Aww, it seems like my buddy oBlade got triggered like the little snowflake that he is for being compared to a little Nazi he is trying to pretend he "doesn't know about" but also knows very specific conversations this guy had with Kanye. He also doesn't pay attention to politics enough and is not a Tucker Carlson fan (called him the best interviewer ever a few months ago) to know he platforms him. He's somehow not even aware of his Fuhrer having him over for Dinner.
Moving on to serious people.
Ships carrying oil to China has been shipping because big scary bully Trump is afraid to mess with the Chinese, so all the "4d geopolitics chess" takes are very much wrong:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/11/iran-ships-oil-china-strait-hormuz-closure-.html
China is playing this so much smarter then the US. While Trump is denying climate change, they are heavily investing in renewables.
While he's cutting cancer research and attacking universities, they are investing into their science and education more, bringing in students from all across the world while he's terrorizing them.
He's canceling 80 % finished Wind power projects because he doesn't like looking at windmills while they are hitting 60 % non-fossil fuel goals.
USA is going all in on Data Center buildup with a promise of a magical genie being born out of them that will justify the trillions in spending, with no one really having a clear business model on how they'll get their ROI.
China is on the other hand actively scraping all the USA models, getting their weights and training their models in a much cheaper and efficient way, then, they release them to the public, for free in order to undermine the USA AI industry, on which USA is betting a huge chunk of it's future on.
Americans are playing tic-tac-toe with electing an absolute moron strongman while Chinese are playing chess and laughing in their faces.
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On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country.
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you.
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Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can.
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On March 12 2026 04:48 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country. + Show Spoiler +
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you. Not quite.
After being disillusioned by Obama's (who I also vociferously campaigned for) handling of the banks and drone strikes where 9 out of 10 people killed weren't the targets. I tried like hell (like really, knocking doors, phonebanking, voter registration, etc. by the thousands) to convince Democrats to nominate Bernie Sanders. I have felt like that was the last meaningful opportunity for Democrats as a party to be able to functionally stop the specific fascist (but also the tendency generally) that went on to beat their preferred candidate (the same candidate that intentionally elevated said fascist to lead Republicans) ever since.
I have rarely wanted to be wrong more in my life only to constantly have my concerns validated at every turn.
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On March 12 2026 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:48 Jankisa wrote:On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country. + Show Spoiler +
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you. Not quite. After being disillusioned by Obama's (who I also vociferously campaigned for) handling of the banks and drone strikes where 9 out of 10 people killed weren't the targets. I tried like hell (like really, knocking doors, phonebanking, voter registration, etc. by the thousands) to convince Democrats to nominate Bernie Sanders. I have felt like that was the last meaningful opportunity for Democrats as a party to be able to functionally stop the specific fascist (but also the tendency generally) that went on to beat their preferred candidate (the same candidate that intentionally elevated said fascist to lead Republicans) ever since. I have rarely wanted to be wrong more in my life only to constantly have my concerns validated at every turn.
OK, so, I was, just like you, disillusioned by Obama, I bought the "hope and change" shtick and honestly thought that he might be a revolutionary leader for USA.
Then years went by. I saw that USA is a country that can elect Trump. The more time passed by the more I begun realizing that USA is a very broken country and that Obama's terms were basically a miracle.
Look at how many times it was brought up that he actually tried to deal with Iran and Cuba in a pragmatic way. Gradually, hearts and minds, compromises.
Obama's foreign policy gets a lot of shit, as it should, but his biggest failure, the reaction to Russian seizing of Crimea was something that was shared with allies, since Europeans were not alarmed he went with their vibes, I think all of them were week cowards for that, but I can understand it.
On Syria, similarly, Obama tried to actually listen to the public and ask Congress, he fucked up with the red line but his intentions were good.
With healthcare, again, he fucked up and listened to moderates and corporatists telling him doing anything more then he did was impossible, even then, his policies including ACA did a lot of good for a lot of people.
Being a head of USA is a hard job, Obama was not perfect, I'm sure that some of the things I interpret as fuckups were deliberate calculations of a politician with interests other then my own, still, compared to every other president in the last 40 years he was fucking amazing.
I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that.
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On March 12 2026 05:39 Jankisa wrote:
I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that. Because GH doesn't accept that the USA is deeply deeply conservative.
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