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On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg.
It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically.
On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
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Aww, it seems like my buddy oBlade got triggered like the little snowflake that he is for being compared to a little Nazi he is trying to pretend he "doesn't know about" but also knows very specific conversations this guy had with Kanye. He also doesn't pay attention to politics enough and is not a Tucker Carlson fan (called him the best interviewer ever a few months ago) to know he platforms him. He's somehow not even aware of his Fuhrer having him over for Dinner.
Moving on to serious people.
Ships carrying oil to China has been shipping because big scary bully Trump is afraid to mess with the Chinese, so all the "4d geopolitics chess" takes are very much wrong:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/11/iran-ships-oil-china-strait-hormuz-closure-.html
China is playing this so much smarter then the US. While Trump is denying climate change, they are heavily investing in renewables.
While he's cutting cancer research and attacking universities, they are investing into their science and education more, bringing in students from all across the world while he's terrorizing them.
He's canceling 80 % finished Wind power projects because he doesn't like looking at windmills while they are hitting 60 % non-fossil fuel goals.
USA is going all in on Data Center buildup with a promise of a magical genie being born out of them that will justify the trillions in spending, with no one really having a clear business model on how they'll get their ROI.
China is on the other hand actively scraping all the USA models, getting their weights and training their models in a much cheaper and efficient way, then, they release them to the public, for free in order to undermine the USA AI industry, on which USA is betting a huge chunk of it's future on.
Americans are playing tic-tac-toe with electing an absolute moron strongman while Chinese are playing chess and laughing in their faces.
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On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country.
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you.
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Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can.
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On March 12 2026 04:48 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country. + Show Spoiler +
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you. Not quite.
After being disillusioned by Obama's (who I also vociferously campaigned for) handling of the banks and drone strikes where 9 out of 10 people killed weren't the targets. I tried like hell (like really, knocking doors, phonebanking, voter registration, etc. by the thousands) to convince Democrats to nominate Bernie Sanders. I have felt like that was the last meaningful opportunity for Democrats as a party to be able to functionally stop the specific fascist (but also the tendency generally) that went on to beat their preferred candidate (the same candidate that intentionally elevated said fascist to lead Republicans) ever since.
I have rarely wanted to be wrong more in my life only to constantly have my concerns validated at every turn.
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On March 12 2026 05:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:48 Jankisa wrote:On March 12 2026 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 12 2026 02:29 misirlou wrote:On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. It's not just from your post. Look around. They are pretty openly doing/rationalizing the Niemöller quote unironically. On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GH, the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. [such as engaging in illegal wars and genocide]+ Show Spoiler +We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French.
You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, + Show Spoiler +sooner you realize that better off you will be.
I wasn't here for all of it, but it's my impression that you have been shadow boxing Democrats and focusing on shitting on them while an actual Fascist takeover was happening in your country. + Show Spoiler +
You, and the people doing aggressive purity testing on anyone who isn't ready to extradite Nethyanahu to Hague are way more conductive to rise of Fascism then pragmatists.
I am of firm belief that purity testing and general smugness when it comes to politics and understanding how a majority of people function is the reason why there are 0 successful leftist parties governing any country for more then one term.
You can, of course, and I bet you will continue doing your "scratch a liberal" routine until you are blue in the face, if we ever get out of this mess it's going to be because of people willing to swallow their principles on some things not folks like you. Not quite. After being disillusioned by Obama's (who I also vociferously campaigned for) handling of the banks and drone strikes where 9 out of 10 people killed weren't the targets. I tried like hell (like really, knocking doors, phonebanking, voter registration, etc. by the thousands) to convince Democrats to nominate Bernie Sanders. I have felt like that was the last meaningful opportunity for Democrats as a party to be able to functionally stop the specific fascist (but also the tendency generally) that went on to beat their preferred candidate (the same candidate that intentionally elevated said fascist to lead Republicans) ever since. I have rarely wanted to be wrong more in my life only to constantly have my concerns validated at every turn.
OK, so, I was, just like you, disillusioned by Obama, I bought the "hope and change" shtick and honestly thought that he might be a revolutionary leader for USA.
Then years went by. I saw that USA is a country that can elect Trump. The more time passed by the more I begun realizing that USA is a very broken country and that Obama's terms were basically a miracle.
Look at how many times it was brought up that he actually tried to deal with Iran and Cuba in a pragmatic way. Gradually, hearts and minds, compromises.
Obama's foreign policy gets a lot of shit, as it should, but his biggest failure, the reaction to Russian seizing of Crimea was something that was shared with allies, since Europeans were not alarmed he went with their vibes, I think all of them were week cowards for that, but I can understand it.
On Syria, similarly, Obama tried to actually listen to the public and ask Congress, he fucked up with the red line but his intentions were good.
With healthcare, again, he fucked up and listened to moderates and corporatists telling him doing anything more then he did was impossible, even then, his policies including ACA did a lot of good for a lot of people.
Being a head of USA is a hard job, Obama was not perfect, I'm sure that some of the things I interpret as fuckups were deliberate calculations of a politician with interests other then my own, still, compared to every other president in the last 40 years he was fucking amazing.
I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that.
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On March 12 2026 05:39 Jankisa wrote:
I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that. Because GH doesn't accept that the USA is deeply deeply conservative.
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On March 12 2026 06:35 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 05:39 Jankisa wrote:
I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that. Because GH doesn't accept that the USA is deeply deeply conservative.
And GH somehow thinks that he’s not responsible for the state of the US but random Europeans are.
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On March 12 2026 04:41 Jankisa wrote:
Aww, it seems like my buddy oBlade got triggered like the little snowflake that he is for being compared to a little Nazi he is trying to pretend he "doesn't know about" but also knows very specific conversations this guy had with Kanye.
Are you toxic on purpose, or because you don't know any better, or because it's your way to try and fit in, or is there a mental illness going on where I should have to treat you with kid gloves every time you call me a Nazi? Let me know.
On March 12 2026 04:41 Jankisa wrote:
He also doesn't pay attention to politics enough and is not a Tucker Carlson fan (called him the best interviewer ever a few months ago) to know he platforms him.
1) Tucker Carlson is not the best interviewer ever. You are mistaken. By "you are mistaken," I don't mean that you claimed that he is the best interviewer ever. I mean that your childish made-up bullshit that I called him the best interviewer ever, is false, wrong, mistaken, and actually a lie. You are nakedly lying.
He is a good interviewer. He's also gone off the deep end about Jews. Howard Stern is also a good interviewer, but having that opinion doesn't make my political ideology Fartmanism either.
2) Nick Fuentes is not important. If you want to follow him because you think you will miss something important otherwise, it's your choice. But you can't assume everyone else is doing that too, or you will end up having made a false assumption, and being wrong, as you are now.
On March 12 2026 04:41 Jankisa wrote:
He's somehow not even aware of his Fuhrer having him over for Dinner.
I don't generally memorize Trump's entire life dinner schedule. But that was exactly the bit with Kanye that I already mentioned. Pay even a little bit of attention.
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On March 12 2026 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can.
Frankly, the breakdown of that trust of the US is the best thing to come out of this whole thing.
I'm quite frankly a little miffed the US hasn't threatened/belittled/antagonized us (Australia) more other than some tariifs. My worry is that when Trump is gone, we are going to try and go back to the old status quo of being a defacto US vassal, rather than try to bargain our strategic position against the US like we should have all along (especially with the Murdoch media constantly trying to vomit American politics directly into our media environment).
Frankly, other Western countries would benefit from having a more Machiavellian attitude towards their relationship with the US too.
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I wonder what would happen if Israel claims one of Iran's missiles hit and destroyed the al-aqsa mosque? Would Israel be believed and would every country around Iran turn against it?
Iran is currently sending missiles into Jeruselum.
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On March 12 2026 17:22 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can. Frankly, the breakdown of that trust of the US is the best thing to come out of this whole thing. I'm quite frankly a little miffed the US hasn't threatened/belittled/antagonized us (Australia) more other than some tariifs. My worry is that when Trump is gone, we are going to try and go back to the old status quo of being a defacto US vassal, rather than try to bargain our strategic position against the US like we should have all along (especially with the Murdoch media constantly trying to vomit American politics directly into our media environment). Frankly, other Western countries would benefit from having a more Machiavellian attitude towards their relationship with the US too.
During his first term, the Aud/USD made some really strong movements (back when I was into speculation). Hard to gauge his relationship with Australia. Something was going on imo.
Some Euros have relatives in the US, myself included. I‘m not interested in having possible contacts jeopardized because of the desperate actions of a mad cabinet and their techpals.
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On March 12 2026 17:22 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can. Frankly, the breakdown of that trust of the US is the best thing to come out of this whole thing. I'm quite frankly a little miffed the US hasn't threatened/belittled/antagonized us (Australia) more other than some tariifs. My worry is that when Trump is gone, we are going to try and go back to the old status quo of being a defacto US vassal, rather than try to bargain our strategic position against the US like we should have all along (especially with the Murdoch media constantly trying to vomit American politics directly into our media environment). Frankly, other Western countries would benefit from having a more Machiavellian attitude towards their relationship with the US too.
In Germany it's slowly shifting from funny to annoying to outright hatred of the US. So yes, I am all for decoupling from the US. If possible for forever
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I don't blame any country that wants to cut ties with the USA. We have a war criminal child molester president and somewhere between 30-40% actively support him, the majority party in Congress and the Supreme Court have effectively ceded their constitutional role in checks and balances, over half the media is owned by an oligarchy in all but name. It would be doing us both a favor if we could get the economic and diplomatic hardships over with instead of prolonging the inevitable.
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On March 12 2026 21:43 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 17:22 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 12 2026 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can. Frankly, the breakdown of that trust of the US is the best thing to come out of this whole thing. I'm quite frankly a little miffed the US hasn't threatened/belittled/antagonized us (Australia) more other than some tariifs. My worry is that when Trump is gone, we are going to try and go back to the old status quo of being a defacto US vassal, rather than try to bargain our strategic position against the US like we should have all along (especially with the Murdoch media constantly trying to vomit American politics directly into our media environment). Frankly, other Western countries would benefit from having a more Machiavellian attitude towards their relationship with the US too. In Germany it's slowly shifting from funny to annoying to outright hatred of the US. So yes, I am all for decoupling from the US. If possible for forever
One gets that sense over here too. I think it’s also worth noting that while Trump et al are the main lightning rod, they’re not the only facet of the growing disdain.
If it were one can kind of ride it out as it were and things can somewhat snap back.
There’s also definitely a growing enmity in areas detached from governance but nonetheless see America wield enormous power, and they don’t look to be going anywhere. Be it social media fucking up political and cultural fabrics this side of the Atlantic, or the problems AI is causing as an arms race with little ethical consideration much less tangible regulation.
There’s a huge dismissiveness of such concerns by those holding the keys Stateside, that spills into arrogance at times.
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On March 12 2026 22:14 LightSpectra wrote:
We have a war criminal child molester president.
He is not a convicted pedophile so passing that off as fact is a bit much. What we do know is that one of the greatest PMs in Canadian history was banging an 18 year old when he was 49. The official lore story told by the government funded CBC is that they met when she was 18. 
Anyhow, you can be sexual predator and also a very successful world leader that dramatically improves the every day lives of tens of millions of average citizens.
For me, both Pierre Trudeau and Bill Gates laid the foundations that made this average Canadian nodody's life 10000X better. They both have sexual restraint issues when it comes to young females. meh.
On March 12 2026 22:14 LightSpectra wrote:
, the majority party in Congress and the Supreme Court have effectively ceded their constitutional role in checks and balances,
didn't the 6 conservative member Supreme Court just strike down his "emergency tariff" excuse by 6-3?
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On March 12 2026 22:14 LightSpectra wrote:
I don't blame any country that wants to cut ties with the USA. We have a war criminal child molester president and somewhere between 30-40% actively support him, the majority party in Congress and the Supreme Court have effectively ceded their constitutional role in checks and balances, over half the media is owned by an oligarchy in all but name. It would be doing us both a favor if we could get the economic and diplomatic hardships over with instead of prolonging the inevitable.
That‘s what the oligarchy wants though.
If all that‘s left to observe to the public are their country‘s standards which they are able to influence at will, they can convince the public that it‘s everybody else‘s fault their nation is disliked, further empowering the nationalistic rhetoric that allows them to exert violence at will without backlash.
The technology they are developing isn‘t meant to simplify life or require people to work less, it’s designed for spying, subjugation, subversion and killing.
What‘s left as comparison are countries that don‘t need it to function without it. Which are disliked for that reason.
Having oil monopolies is relevant.
China and India are going to have to ship all their oil from Russia if the US blocks the naval region around Iran.
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On March 12 2026 22:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
They both have sexual restraint issues when it comes to young females. meh.
Disgusting remark. On women's month on top of it
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On March 12 2026 21:43 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2026 17:22 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On March 12 2026 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Nobody‘s recovering from this stuff both sides of the atlantic.
As soon as somebody clearly puts ambition over pacts for personal gain and tramples over ‚allies’ in name only, it takes ages to repair that trust.
Dude went all-in as soon as he began threatening Canada and Denmark. That was like the bell of doom. If they can do anything, they‘ll just do anything because they can. Frankly, the breakdown of that trust of the US is the best thing to come out of this whole thing. I'm quite frankly a little miffed the US hasn't threatened/belittled/antagonized us (Australia) more other than some tariifs. My worry is that when Trump is gone, we are going to try and go back to the old status quo of being a defacto US vassal, rather than try to bargain our strategic position against the US like we should have all along (especially with the Murdoch media constantly trying to vomit American politics directly into our media environment). Frankly, other Western countries would benefit from having a more Machiavellian attitude towards their relationship with the US too. In Germany it's slowly shifting from funny to annoying to outright hatred of the US. So yes, I am all for decoupling from the US. If possible for forever
This is the part that the non MAGA republicans do not understand. His insanity is fucking their country long term.
I work with, both in my company and customer, like 100% conservatives. They have mostly all turned away from him. With the new war and oil prices being the last straw. And it’s almost like an awakening. So many of them are very devout Christian’s and it’s like they are just seeing the complete lack of morality now too. I get it’s easier for Canadians but I think it will happen more and more. But that full level of trust won’t return.
Countries are going to buy arms from more than just the US. Our official strategy now involves buying and selling to as many countries as possible. Many snowbirds (old people who travel south for the winter and there is 100,000’s) are looking elsewhere and finding it cheaper and just as safe, they are not coming back.
Even if the US regains a reasonable path the Donald has hurt the US for at least 50 years.
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