EPTOn March 12 2026 23:15 misirlou wrote:
Disgusting remark. On women's month on top of it
Disgusting remark. On women's month on top of it
He’s a terrible human, but clearly there are lots of people like little Donnie wouldn’t get elected.
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Billyboy
2463 Posts
He’s a terrible human, but clearly there are lots of people like little Donnie wouldn’t get elected. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3271 Posts
On March 12 2026 22:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote: He is not a convicted pedophile so passing that off as fact is a bit much. What we do know is that one of the greatest PMs in Canadian history was banging an 18 year old when he was 49. The official lore story told by the government funded CBC is that they met when she was 18.  Anyhow, you can be sexual predator and also a very successful world leader that dramatically improves the every day lives of tens of millions of average citizens. For me, both Pierre Trudeau and Bill Gates laid the foundations that made this average Canadian nodody's life 10000X better. They both have sexual restraint issues when it comes to young females. meh. Literal child molester apologia. Congratulations on being even creepier than dyhb, you deserve it. didn't the 6 conservative member Supreme Court just strike down his "emergency tariff" excuse by 6-3? "SCOTUS majority rule the government has to write fat checks to megacorps for bills they passed to consumers" is peak corporatism, the economic backbone of fascism. On March 12 2026 22:52 Vivax wrote: That‘s what the oligarchy wants though. If all that‘s left to observe to the public are their country‘s standards which they are able to influence at will, they can convince the public that it‘s everybody else‘s fault their nation is disliked, further empowering the nationalistic rhetoric that allows them to exert violence at will without backlash. The technology they are developing isn‘t meant to simplify life or require people to work less, it’s designed for spying, subjugation, subversion and killing. What‘s left as comparison are countries that don‘t need it to function without it. Which are disliked for that reason. Having oil monopolies is relevant. China and India are going to have to ship all their oil from Russia if the US blocks the naval region around Iran. The oligarchy (specifically: the Heritage Foundation, Elon Musk, Marco Rubio, JD Vance) is currently working to get far-right nationalist parties elected in Europe. This serves the interests of megacorps because they'll bend over backwards to keep American megacorps from being regulated. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
On March 12 2026 22:52 Vivax wrote: That‘s what the oligarchy wants though. If all that‘s left to observe to the public are their country‘s standards which they are able to influence at will, they can convince the public that it‘s everybody else‘s fault their nation is disliked, further empowering the nationalistic rhetoric that allows them to exert violence at will without backlash. The technology they are developing isn‘t meant to simplify life or require people to work less, it’s designed for spying, subjugation, subversion and killing. What‘s left as comparison are countries that don‘t need it to function without it. Which are disliked for that reason. Having oil monopolies is relevant. China and India are going to have to ship all their oil from Russia if the US blocks the naval region around Iran. China and India are getting their oil from Iran, even during the war. USA has not boarded or sunk any of the ships carrying this, because Trump is afraid of stepping on toes of anyone who can push back. I think it's very telling that US Navy doesn't really get too close to Iran, I also think it's telling that Iran is producing more oil then it was before the war started, plus, the only things you can read where US is trying to reign Israel in were bombing of the oil production and storage facilities. Americans are insanely sensitive to gas prices, Trump is already walking on thin ice with all the rest of the radical shit he's been doing in the USA, if inflation and gas prices spiral out of control, and triggering yet another oil crisis by trying to disrupt oil to India and China would definitely do that is the last think he should do before the midterms. If anything has been shown to have the ability to reign in Trump it's the markets, and if anyone has shown ability to push back against him it's China, so I'm pretty sure those boats are safe. Also, obligatory Eww to Jimmy, conservatives are fucked in the head, the Venn diagram of defending Trump and posting creepy comments about women and girls is basically a circle here. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17895 Posts
On March 12 2026 23:43 LightSpectra wrote: Literal child molester apologia. Congratulations on being even creepier than dyhb, you deserve it. 18 is not a child though. Creepy lol. What a bullshit emo criticism. I agree with the Canadians who made P.E.T. Prime Minister for 16 years. He made Canada great and he turned Canada into a real country. I guess Canadians are 'creepy' ... whatever that is. On March 12 2026 23:46 Jankisa wrote: Also, obligatory Eww to Jimmy, conservatives are fucked in the head, the Venn diagram of defending Trump and posting creepy comments about women and girls is basically a circle here. Pierre Trudeau was a Liberal. My #1 choice for Canadian PM is Labour Party and Liberal guy Bob Rae. I'm not a conservative. You can not throw around , like it is fact , that Trump is a child molester. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3271 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17895 Posts
On March 12 2026 22:14 LightSpectra wrote: I don't blame any country that wants to cut ties with the USA... It would be doing us both a favor if we could get the economic and diplomatic hardships over with instead of prolonging the inevitable. Looks like the USA's neighbours to the north are anxious to be best pals with America ... "Canadian and American people will always consider each other friends, neighbours and even family,” Eby concluded. Eby is the Premier of British Columbia. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/trump-governor-carney-hoekstra-meets-eby Interesting that Trump did not call Carney the current governor of Canada rather he called him the future governor of Canada. I do not see Canada ever cutting ties with the USA. 90% of the population is within 100 kms of the border. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On March 12 2026 05:39 Jankisa wrote: + Show Spoiler + OK, so, I was, just like you, disillusioned by Obama, I bought the "hope and change" shtick and honestly thought that he might be a revolutionary leader for USA. Then years went by. I saw that USA is a country that can elect Trump. The more time passed by the more I begun realizing that USA is a very broken country and that Obama's terms were basically a miracle. Look at how many times it was brought up that he actually tried to deal with Iran and Cuba in a pragmatic way. Gradually, hearts and minds, compromises. Obama's foreign policy gets a lot of shit, as it should, but his biggest failure, the reaction to Russian seizing of Crimea was something that was shared with allies, since Europeans were not alarmed he went with their vibes, I think all of them were week cowards for that, but I can understand it. On Syria, similarly, Obama tried to actually listen to the public and ask Congress, he fucked up with the red line but his intentions were good. With healthcare, again, he fucked up and listened to moderates and corporatists telling him doing anything more then he did was impossible, even then, his policies including ACA did a lot of good for a lot of people. Being a head of USA is a hard job, Obama was not perfect, I'm sure that some of the things I interpret as fuckups were deliberate calculations of a politician with interests other then my own, still, compared to every other president in the last 40 years he was fucking amazing. I would kill for another Obama, asking for more is just not being practical when you see where the USA is today, I don't get how you don't understand that. No you wouldn't. Otherwise, I'm sure you can find people willing to sponsor your travel lol. It's not that I don't understand your thinking about practicality. This typical "white moderate" Niemöllerism masked as "practicality" neglects the fact that all of the best science says your idea of "practical" leads to us all to certain doom. On March 12 2026 06:35 Gorsameth wrote: Because GH doesn't accept that the USA is deeply deeply conservative. Not nearly as much as people think, and we're making progress, despite those like yourselves that have fought us every step of the way. The latest Fox News survey, released Thursday, finds a record 38% think it would be a good thing for the United States to move away from capitalism and in the direction of socialism — up from 32% in 2022, the last time the question was asked. In 2010, a low of 18% backed socialism https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-socialism-gaining-ground-among-voters The reality is that white men (and to a lesser degree women) are the voters fucking it up for the rest of humanity The task before us is to make socialism more real in our lives, not convince potential socialists to fall in line with the status quo/white people which promises them certain doom. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
What science is it? Das Kapital? Perhaps the works of Chomsky, who field tested his manufacturing consent techniques with his pal Epstein. As an European and as compared to Trump I long for Obama, fuck man, even Biden was amazing to compared to this, so I find it very rich that you think that "no I wouldn't". I think your main problem is that you don't have the ability to understand that people with different opinions and views on the world that might be right exist, it makes you very obnoxious to deal with. Also, you are making progress? Hahaha, great progress you made, between Trump 1, Biden and Trump 2 progressives really did an amazing job rallying the troops and showing how progressive the USA is, as evidenced by Harris losing the popular vote. How delusional can you be? Jeez. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On March 13 2026 00:32 Jankisa wrote: I honestly find it hilarious that you are referencing "science" in order to defend your completely pie in the sky approach to USA politics. What science is it? Das Kapital? Perhaps the works of Chomsky, who field tested his manufacturing consent techniques with his pal Epstein. As an European and as compared to Trump I long for Obama, fuck man, even Biden was amazing to compared to this, so I find it very rich that you think that "no I wouldn't". + Show Spoiler + I think your main problem is that you don't have the ability to understand that people with different opinions and views on the world that might be right exist, it makes you very obnoxious to deal with. You a climate denier too now? You literally wouldn't. "Manufacturing Consent" had some valuable insights, but I'm not really a fan of Chomsky. I come to socialism through the Black radical tradition (something seemingly no one here has any familiarity with beyond what I've explained). EDIT: I remember Mohdoo has read some Cedric Robinson and been better for it though. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3271 Posts
On March 13 2026 00:15 GreenHorizons wrote: The reality is that white men (and to a lesser degree women) are the voters fucking it up for the rest of humanity >98% of voters of all races in the United States vote for Democrats or Republicans. How curious to say this when believing in uniparty imperialism, since Democrats would win everything if white men and most white women vanished overnight, who according to you are either just as bad or negligibly better. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
Since you seem to be extra delusional, here are some milestones on climate change fight: Beneficial Climate Policies of the last 20 years: Inflation Reduction Act - Biden Ratification of the Kigali Amendment - Obama Signing the Paris Agreement - Obama Clean Power Plan - Obama American Recovery and Reinvestment Act - Obama Detrimental Climate Policies of the last 20 years: Repeal of the EPA Endangerment Finding - Trump 2 x Withdrawal from the Paris Agreement - Trump Rescission of Methane Pollution Standards - Trump Rescission of NEPA Climate Review Regulations - Trump Repeal of the Clean Power Plan - Trump Great gotcha there, you are very smart! | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On March 12 2026 23:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote: 18 is not a child though. Creepy lol. What a bullshit emo criticism. I agree with the Canadians who made P.E.T. Prime Minister for 16 years. He made Canada great and he turned Canada into a real country. I guess Canadians are 'creepy' ... whatever that is. A person can both do good things and bad things - Another person can believe that the good things the other person did were good and that the bad things were bad - that's perfectly fine - Maybe you even voted for the dude because you didn't know about the bad things - maybe you did - where people will disagree is if ends justify the means - "he was good for the country, I'd elect him again knowing what I know" - portuguese kingdom benefited from slave trade - do I want it back? do I like that it happened? Clearly we disagree about "ends justify the means" . No need to start throwing "emo" around though - is that back in the menu instead of woke? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On March 13 2026 01:00 LightSpectra wrote: >98% of voters of all races in the United States vote for Democrats or Republicans. How curious to say this when believing in uniparty imperialism, since Democrats would win everything if white men and most white women vanished overnight, who according to you are either just as bad or negligibly better. over 90,000,000 people didn't vote for either of them because the majority of the country finds both of them unfavorable but have been convinced they have no alternative. I think we all would actually agree that we'd be far better off if Democrats took their rightful place as the far-right edge of arguably sane party politics in the US. On March 13 2026 01:08 Jankisa wrote: It's hard to understand you+ Show Spoiler + when you are trying to be as pretentious as possible. Since you seem to be extra delusional, here are some milestones on climate change fight: Beneficial Climate Policies of the last 20 years: Inflation Reduction Act - Biden Ratification of the Kigali Amendment - Obama Signing the Paris Agreement - Obama Clean Power Plan - Obama American Recovery and Reinvestment Act - Obama Detrimental Climate Policies of the last 20 years: Repeal of the EPA Endangerment Finding - Trump 2 x Withdrawal from the Paris Agreement - Trump Rescission of Methane Pollution Standards - Trump Rescission of NEPA Climate Review Regulations - Trump Repeal of the Clean Power Plan - Trump Great gotcha there, you are very smart! I think it is a skill issue. You'd probably have better luck copy pasting it into an AI and having it explain it to you. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3271 Posts
Independents/no-party-affiliation people and non-voters get polled all the time by polling organizations, how come there isn't a silent majority of non-voting socialists represented by them? Why don't those 90 million people vote for a pre-existing socialist party and sweep the entire electoral college and Congress every election, since they vastly outnumber both Democrats and Republicans? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On March 13 2026 01:19 LightSpectra wrote: You think those 90 million people all didn't vote because they're more left-wing than Democrats? + Show Spoiler + How come they didn't flood out to vote for Bernie Sanders? Why do the most left-wing Democrats like AOC and Mamdani not have nearly 100% voter turnout in their elections? Independents/no-party-affiliation people get polled all the time by polling organizations, how come there isn't a silent majority of non-voting socialists represented by them? Why don't those 90 million people vote for a pre-existing socialist party and sweep the entire electoral college and Congress every selection, since they vastly outnumber both Democrats and Republicans? No, they didn't vote mostly because they are disillusioned/exasperated by the process and both parties. That's part of why they are a larger group than either Trump or Biden/Harris/Democrat supporters. Part of what I'm saying is that part of our job as socialists is to join them on a socialist journey to our freedom, not convince them to fall in line with a status quo that promises them certain doom like you all keep insisting on doing for no explicable reason (besides personal comfort at their expense, aka "Niemöllers/Niemöllering"). | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
You throw out a stupid example, gets told that it's stupid, with receipts and then you throw a temper tantrum because only AI can make a list of policies, right? People voted for Biden, more people then ever, actually. Then, Biden and Harris got panned and attacked for their "progressiveness", they got attacked by both right and left (this is where you and the rest of your ilk comes in) on everything else, the voter turnout was depressed and Trump won with a much larger margin then before. I personally don't think the biggest reasons have anything to do with their progressiveness or lack of it, as stated many times, but it sure as fuck isn't because 90 million socialists stayed home because Kamala wasn't pure enough. The only person in this thread, including both "centrists", normal progressives, leftists and right wingers who thinks that USA has a deep pool of untapped socialists is you. There is no one else, there is no polling, there are no political results, there is nothing, yet you refuse to live in reality. You are just as delusional and lying to yourself and others as oBlade, and you are also getting triggered when shown who full of shit you are, just like oBlade. Horseshoe theory in practice. Also, occasionally it hits me how fucking funny it is that you (used to before tucking your tail and running away) used to stan for Russia against Ukraine, the most openly fascist country in the modern world, while you are trying to sell yourself as a progressive here. Tankies man, brain rot is real. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3271 Posts
In fact, the way non-voters typically poll as somewhere between Democrats and Republicans ideologically, if hypothetically those 90 million people decided to be politically interested overnight, they would just become the new right-wing party that current Democrats would still be to the left of. I'm all about a socialist journey to our freedom, but letting fascists win over liberals because liberalism is bad and electoralism doesn't work isn't actually making anyone or any system more socialist. In fact, that's literally exactly what fascists are hoping for, hence why they spend their money trying to persuade Democrat-aligned people not to vote, or to vote for meaningless third parties. Moreover, you really still haven't explained why if there was an AmeriMaidan-ish overthrow of the government right now, why you're confident that the ~1-5% of the country to the left of Bernie and Mamdani would take control, as opposed to the ~25% that's more right-wing than Trump. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
No wonder GH thinks a revolution would fix the US. There are 90 million people just waiting for the opportunity to rise up. | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
There is no reason or evidence to think the remaining 35% of eligible voters, who don't show up in a presidential election year, are overwhelmingly solidly aligned into some block of untapped political potential. They're also split/distributed. They are not a "team" that outnumber existing parties. Especially when you remember it's not the same 35% who aren't voting every time. It's sometimes people vote and sometimes they don't. Fewer never vote. Presidential elections are largely no tyranny of the minority, because voters, as the majority, outweigh non-voters. Midterms and off-years are actually interesting from that perspective since turnout is usually under 50%. So there might be a mechanism of some hidden causal chains going on there but it's a far cry from Abstain ever winning seats. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
During the session, key topics were addressed, such as: Maintaining military support for Ukraine. Military standards for reducing civilian casualties. The U.S. response to any external support for Iran that endangers American troops. | ||
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