EPTBomb Iran until revolution, check for the new leader and then decide to bomb some more because it wasn't your guy?
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Velr
Switzerland10939 Posts
Bomb Iran until revolution, check for the new leader and then decide to bomb some more because it wasn't your guy? | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
The strait wasn‘t blocked before the attack and there isn‘t even a clear objective besides more dakka. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1625 Posts
Today = just another weekend for Trump. This is why I believe that this is now just fine, because of what you support. Also, Trump is infinitely more dangerous then Khamenei ever was, he is a head of a doomsday cult of klerofascists who think supporting Israel is the way to Armageddon, the worse thing Khamenei ever threatened is destroying Israel which is a much smaller issue then the whole world ending. Plus, Trump has the actual means to destroy the world and is much less mentally stable. I like how you forgot to acknowledge how confidently stupid you were being about Iran being "tricked" by boats turning off their transponders, you learned a lot from Trump over the years! Also, hilarious that you are pretending you don't know about Nick Fuentes, you are terminally online buddy, you are not fooling anyone. I really pity you, how sad do you have to be to be this transparently dishonest, you must be a very broken person to just go online and lie for no reason, to absolute strangers. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24253 Posts
On March 11 2026 06:57 misirlou wrote: As an European, I don't think he's wrong. I've seen it everywhere, I've even quit a job because they were selling data to scammers (their most profitable customer, couldn't afford to cut the deal. go figure) . Literally last week found a reputable news article peddling a scam website - they were paid for an ad piece after all... We all have to go on with our lives. I'm not plotting to overthrow my government. but the fire in me keeps burning hotter and hotter. So yeah - we've all become too comfortable with allowing it to happen and turning a blind eye to the small things. And the small things keep getting bigger and more frequent. When is enough is enough. At some point, the people that represent us should say enough is enough. Take the bank down and arrest the managers responsible for this. I was led to believe European countries shouldn't need their governments to be overthrown to get them to stop doing something like appeasing/aiding and abetting fascists in an illegal war of choice (and/or genocide). Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. That's not good news for humanity. | ||
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dyhb
United States616 Posts
On March 12 2026 00:58 Velr wrote: The incoherent and contradictory messaging is as much a problem as any of the rest. We may be over 7 differing explanations to Americans for why Trump began this war and the preconditions for declaring the war over.What is the exact objective again? Bomb Iran until revolution, check for the new leader and then decide to bomb some more because it wasn't your guy? | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote: I was led to believe European countries shouldn't need their governments to be overthrown to get them to stop doing something like appeasing/aiding and abetting fascists in an illegal war of choice (and/or genocide). Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. That's not good news for humanity. It‘s a cult that‘s protecting their assets. Only its own military can stop it. They are also very good at influencing public opinion, so expecting good choices during elections is hard with the amount of tailored information floating around these days. I wager that there‘s already heated battles going on about certain clearances. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11951 Posts
On March 12 2026 01:40 dyhb wrote: The incoherent and contradictory messaging is as much a problem as any of the rest. We may be over 7 differing explanations to Americans for why Trump began this war and the preconditions for declaring the war over. Which pretty much explains what is going on. Trump does stuff based on gut feeling, then justifies it after the fact. He felt like attacking Iran, so he did. There was no plan, goal or anything before the war. Now they just need to figure out why they did what they did. And these guys are not really thinking people, so they are bad at figuring out a good and plausible reason for why they did what they did. (Epstein distraction is also very likely. Trump tends to do insane stuff to distract whenever one of his many juggling balls of shit comes to close) | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1625 Posts
We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French. You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of your principles of "not supporting genocide" is a problem, not a virtue, sooner you realize that better off you will be. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24253 Posts
On March 12 2026 01:50 Jankisa wrote: GH, + Show Spoiler + the issue here is that compared to USA European countries are not directly subsidizing or participating in bombing campaigns with Israel. We also don't have ICE, our elections aren't being actively threatened (except from the USA and Russia) and our citizenry is much more happy with the state of things, no one is going to fuck a (relatively) good thing up for insisting that our governments don't do immoral things. We all have a much more healthy, multi party democracies which are much more capable of protecting our political systems from Fascists, as shown in the recent Portuguese election or a few years ago by the French. You and some of your more extreme ilk being ready to burn your democracy down because of , sooner you realize that better off you will be. Scratch a liberal... Opposing genocide isn't a problem, that you believe it is a problem definitely is though. | ||
KwarK
United States44242 Posts
On March 12 2026 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote: Scratch a liberal... Opposing genocide isn't a problem, that you believe it is a problem definitely is though. Except you support genocide more than any of us. | ||
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oBlade
United States6394 Posts
On March 12 2026 00:58 Velr wrote: What is the exact objective again? Bomb Iran until revolution, check for the new leader and then decide to bomb some more because it wasn't your guy? That's basically right except the question assumes there is a single dimensional problem here that would have an exact solution. It's not, it's a multivariate problem and doesn't admit to exact solutions and isn't supposed to. Just like not doing anything, or continuing fake negotiations, doesn't have an "exact" objective besides vaguely hoping things get better. Except people don't feel they have to justify doing "nothing," since it's the default, even when doing nothing is clearly of dubious effectiveness. Russia doesn't attack the US because they know, or rather Putin knows, he personally would be nuked. Russia doesn't face the same issue with an isolated third country like Ukraine. There is no such risk of nuclear retaliation. And we can't nuke Putin over that either. But if we can't even use a conventional bomb on a dictator then the whole appeal to pacifism is just disguised moral cowardice. On March 12 2026 01:22 Jankisa wrote: 2 years ago, taking out a fascist head of state = horrible violation of international law. Today = just another weekend for Trump. This is why I believe that this is now just fine, because of what you support. Hard to know who you're addressing since you emotion dumped without quoting directly. I'll assume it's me. No idea what this means. You changed what you, for lack of a better word, "believe," to spite me, or because of Trump's actions? Or did you mean something else entirely? On March 12 2026 01:22 Jankisa wrote: Also, Trump is infinitely more dangerous then Khamenei ever was, he is a head of a doomsday cult of klerofascists who think supporting Israel is the way to Armageddon, the worse thing Khamenei ever threatened is destroying Israel which is a much smaller issue then the whole world ending. Plus, Trump has the actual means to destroy the world and is much less mentally stable. Okay for means. He seems not to have the opportunity and motive, then. You'd think the Western-established rules based international order would make some regime's act of wanting to destroy a capitalist democracy one of the first "you don't get to be in power anymore" cards. Not we'll let it slide because at least it's not the entire world. On March 12 2026 01:22 Jankisa wrote: I like how you forgot to acknowledge how confidently stupid you were being about Iran being "tricked" by boats turning off their transponders, you learned a lot from Trump over the years! I don't think I said Iran was "tricked." Sky News and AP have both reported dark transits now. The Strait of Hormuz was not a rainbows and flowers Garden of Eden a month ago until Trump messed it up. Iran has funded the Houthis for years which is a cost the world bears in security, in insurance, in just money, in oil, in lives, and in future tribulation. They have played the exact same games with the Gulf already. The problem is the people holding a gun to the hostage's head, not the fact that we tried to take the gun away because until then they didn't really mean to do anything bad. On March 12 2026 01:22 Jankisa wrote: Also, hilarious that you are pretending you don't know about Nick Fuentes, you are terminally online buddy, you are not fooling anyone. I really pity you, how sad do you have to be to be this transparently dishonest, you must be a very broken person to just go online and lie for no reason, to absolute strangers. Listen for once buddy. I didn't say I don't know who Nick Fuentes is. You said something, I responded, you said your idea came from Nick Fuentes so maybe that's why (you thought) I agreed with it. First, I didn't agree with your idea. And second, I don't care if you get your ideas from Nick Fuentes. But most of all, you can't just call random people "fellow traveler" of Nick Fuentes when you are the one he gave the idea to. (Projection 101.) Almost as soon as hearing of Nick Fuentes and seeing his face I was able to deduce he's a know-nothing Tiktokker who is too young to have anything meaningful to contribute to the media space he tried to push into, which was further confirmed when he and Kanye West held a racist imbeciles convention with each other. That is the extent of what I know about him. Literally. That's it. You seem to be implying you follow him because you think he's relevant so it's a given that I must be watching his podcast too? I don't. More power to you if you do. Sun Tzu said know your enemy after all. | ||
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KwarK
United States44242 Posts
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misirlou
Portugal3308 Posts
On March 12 2026 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote: Turns out Europe needs a revolution in order to oppose fascism this time and Europeans aren't interested in doing that. Idk how you got that from my post. Or how you look at history and think both "this time"and "aren't interested in doing that" when it has happened multiple times in europe, my country included. Did it happen as soon as the first person got arrested? No. But eventually the wick reached the powder keg. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2867 Posts
The debt is now an impressive $38,9tn. I wonder if Trump can get it to a nice even 40 at the end of the year. Intrest payments expected to be $1tn a year. Fiscal hawks now want the goverment to run "only" a 3% deficit yearly (lmao). Meanwhile I have seen plenty of "experts" explaining how the Iran war utterly destroys China because they get 90% of their oil for cheap from Iran and this will crash their economy. And that China is weak for not doing anything for Iran. Last I heard they have 7 months of oil reserves. Ain't no way the US let oil prices be high for 7 months, people are already complaining. I don't think China is particularly weak. I think they are quite happy to sit back and let the US max out their Credit cards. If they can have Trump ultra spend for 3 more years for minor geopolitical losses that is great. When someone in the future has to slash the military budget by 50% then that will be their time. | ||
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KwarK
United States44242 Posts
On March 12 2026 02:34 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: The US borrowed $50 billion a week for the first 5 months of the year. Eh, assuming 100m taxpaying US households (150m returns filed of which 31% paid no taxes) that's only borrowing $500 per taxpayer per week. Let's say they're working 40 hours/week. That's only the government spending an additional $12.50 per hour in addition to the money they're already taking from the paycheque in taxes. I think when you break it down it's not so bad. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3039 Posts
On March 12 2026 02:34 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Meanwhile I have seen plenty of "experts" explaining how the Iran war utterly destroys China because they get 90% of their oil for cheap from Iran and this will crash their economy. And that China is weak for not doing anything for Iran. Last I heard they have 7 months of oil reserves. Ain't no way the US let oil prices be high for 7 months, people are already complaining. I don't think China is particularly weak. I think they are quite happy to sit back and let the US max out their Credit cards. If they can have Trump ultra spend for 3 more years for minor geopolitical losses that is great. When someone in the future has to slash the military budget by 50% then that will be their time. China is the world's #1 exporter of renewable energy supplies. A short term fossil fuel crisis means nothing to them (the elections and media are tightly controlled and they have no qualms sending in the military to crush riots and protests), whereas oil prices spiking makes wind and solar even more lucrative. I don't want to say anything overly dramatic like "child molester Trump's foreign policy is sleepwalking the USA into a century of Chinese hegemony", but if you had to guess which political candidate China was hoping would win in 2024, it should be pretty obvious. | ||
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dyhb
United States616 Posts
On March 12 2026 02:34 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Unless the US starts targeting Iran’s oil and refineries, or the vessels of the “shadow fleet” shipping oil to China, this doesn’t cut China off from the oil. The US borrowed $50 billion a week for the first 5 months of the year. The debt is now an impressive $38,9tn. I wonder if Trump can get it to a nice even 40 at the end of the year. Intrest payments expected to be $1tn a year. Fiscal hawks now want the goverment to run "only" a 3% deficit yearly (lmao). Meanwhile I have seen plenty of "experts" explaining how the Iran war utterly destroys China because they get 90% of their oil for cheap from Iran and this will crash their economy. And that China is weak for not doing anything for Iran. Last I heard they have 7 months of oil reserves. Ain't no way the US let oil prices be high for 7 months, people are already complaining. I don't think China is particularly weak. I think they are quite happy to sit back and let the US max out their Credit cards. If they can have Trump ultra spend for 3 more years for minor geopolitical losses that is great. When someone in the future has to slash the military budget by 50% then that will be their time. Iran isn’t going to target the ships that sustain its economy and help it dodge sanctions. The US knows escalating towards the Iranian economy carries heavy economic harm to China and will provoke a reaction from China. We aren’t even to the point where China would consider how much pain it’s willing to endure. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
ffs these idiots, it's all your fault for being ignorant nacionalistic christian zealots | ||
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Yurie
12149 Posts
On March 12 2026 04:00 dyhb wrote: Unless the US starts targeting Iran’s oil and refineries, or the vessels of the “shadow fleet” shipping oil to China, this doesn’t cut China off from the oil. Iran isn’t going to target the ships that sustain its economy and help it dodge sanctions. The US knows escalating towards the Iranian economy carries heavy economic harm to China and will provoke a reaction from China. We aren’t even to the point where China would consider how much pain it’s willing to endure. To actually put pressure on Iran the US should board and take over all Iranian ships that enter international or Iranian water. Then they have no tankers to transport their oil and thus massively reduced income after the war, regardless of how it ends. So suddenly you have a strong negotiation item added for much lower cost than a day of missile launches. Iran does it to other countries, so it isn't like they can complain much. Overall it looks like Iran is winning the war to me right now. Unless the US is willing to keep this up for another 3 months things will be back to business as usual and US burnt a lot of good will with the economic impact this has. Don't really see what the US gained or Iran lost that either party cares much about at this point. Edit, to expand on this. Iran wins by the theocracy staying in power and having control over the country. They would of course prefer to keep factories, oil production etc but it isn't required for a marginal win. The US needs regime change as anything else would just mean they have to keep going or come back in a few years. Though if the US define victory as reducing Iran's missile production and crippling their economy for the next two years, then they will win. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
But without boots on the ground that was always going to be the case. | ||
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