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On November 15 2024 06:15 oBlade wrote: RFK Jr. in at HHS according to Don Jr. 10 minutes ago.
Already the most bipartisan administration in decades.
What's your working definition of "bipartisan"? Or was this meant as a joke? I can't tell with your posts sometimes.
My definition is I see 3+ Democrats already and that's more people from the other party than any other administration has poached for a while.
I don't think calling RFK Jr a Democrat is very fair. It's about as useful a point as saying Trump is a democrat. At some point, they were members of the Democratic party, but that doesn't make them Democrats. Even Tulsi Gabbard is a stretch and for her I'm not sure her views changed or she's an opportunistic lickspittle who'll hitch her wagon to whoever she thinks will give her the easiest route to more power. I'm not sure who the 3rd is.
In any case, there's more Fox News hosts than Democrats in his cabinet
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
On November 15 2024 09:08 WombaT wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:39 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:35 Introvert wrote: His national security picks were giving me hope but the last few...Gabbard will probably make it, Gaetz probably won't (everyone hates him) and I already saw one GOP senator doing "RFK says some good things so I look forward to hearing more" which basically means he'll get a hearing and we'll see what happens after that.
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed in these bureaucracies so these seem like sub-optimal picks even before you get to other concerns.
I am not to savvy about this procedures in the US, But do you think that recess thing which I saw mentioned would allow Trump to force his picks on?
Trump has never given any inclination to bipartisan rule, basically ever. He’ll force through his cabinet regardless, arguably he has a mandate to.
What he doesn’t have is any rights to your brain, for your ability to actually think and process things cogently.
‘I’m not too savvy on…’ well maybe don’t pontificate on them then? Have you considered giving research a shot? Maybe go and actually look into these things and come back you know?
It’s really not all that hard.
C'mon I expected better of you. I admitted I am not to savvy on "procedures" far as I know those have nothing to do with Trump. Introvert seems from other posts in this thread, as someone who has rather good grasp on them. I dont think admitting lack of knowledge of something and asking about it is something to be ashamed off?
on a side note on this bit, because it amused me: "Have you considered giving research a shot?" - yes I did. I was told to trust the experts .
As for other posts in reply to me I think I gave satisfactory response already in my previous post, replying to Wombat.
Edit: Another thing that amused me: Me accusing NewSunshine of "You being unable to express yourself properly" and then using coma instead of full stop .
Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, but you seem to want to give your opinion regardless, even if ill-informed
And if it turns out to be wrong it’s ‘oh noes how was I to know!?’
?
I will challenge you to quote me where I have opinion on procedures applying to electing members of cabinet?? I dont recall myself expressing such opinions? I had opinion who will win this election, who I think is better and so on. To my knowledge though I never even insinuated that I have expert knowledge about the process of president electing his cabinet.
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
While I am operating under the assumption that you are unwilling to learn anything from this experience, I would like to inform you still, that I am rather doubtful that grammar is the issue here.
Now to help you cope with not getting your way I'll double quote you, It is rather helpful that my response feel adequate to both yours's and DPB posts:
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
On November 15 2024 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
To be fair, 76 million people like one who's bad at grammar.
On November 15 2024 10:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
On November 15 2024 09:08 WombaT wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:39 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:35 Introvert wrote: His national security picks were giving me hope but the last few...Gabbard will probably make it, Gaetz probably won't (everyone hates him) and I already saw one GOP senator doing "RFK says some good things so I look forward to hearing more" which basically means he'll get a hearing and we'll see what happens after that.
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed in these bureaucracies so these seem like sub-optimal picks even before you get to other concerns.
I am not to savvy about this procedures in the US, But do you think that recess thing which I saw mentioned would allow Trump to force his picks on?
Trump has never given any inclination to bipartisan rule, basically ever. He’ll force through his cabinet regardless, arguably he has a mandate to.
What he doesn’t have is any rights to your brain, for your ability to actually think and process things cogently.
‘I’m not too savvy on…’ well maybe don’t pontificate on them then? Have you considered giving research a shot? Maybe go and actually look into these things and come back you know?
It’s really not all that hard.
C'mon I expected better of you. I admitted I am not to savvy on "procedures" far as I know those have nothing to do with Trump. Introvert seems from other posts in this thread, as someone who has rather good grasp on them. I dont think admitting lack of knowledge of something and asking about it is something to be ashamed off?
on a side note on this bit, because it amused me: "Have you considered giving research a shot?" - yes I did. I was told to trust the experts .
As for other posts in reply to me I think I gave satisfactory response already in my previous post, replying to Wombat.
Edit: Another thing that amused me: Me accusing NewSunshine of "You being unable to express yourself properly" and then using coma instead of full stop .
I think most people fully stop when they fall into a coma.
Considering the way this discussion evolved I think it is rather appropriate to suggest that watching first 20 seconds of this video may help people with surviving Trump presidency :
Edit: some grammar.
You wholly misunderstood me in another thread and then ghosted when corrected, so I don't have resounding faith in your willingness to actually engage and have civil conversations.
Not that 'the left' is always better at that.
I did not ghost you "when corrected". This is very precise moment when I decided to ignore you:
On November 13 2024 12:25 Fleetfeet wrote:
For this conversation to continue, answer these questions:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
On November 15 2024 09:08 WombaT wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:39 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:35 Introvert wrote: His national security picks were giving me hope but the last few...Gabbard will probably make it, Gaetz probably won't (everyone hates him) and I already saw one GOP senator doing "RFK says some good things so I look forward to hearing more" which basically means he'll get a hearing and we'll see what happens after that.
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed in these bureaucracies so these seem like sub-optimal picks even before you get to other concerns.
I am not to savvy about this procedures in the US, But do you think that recess thing which I saw mentioned would allow Trump to force his picks on?
Trump has never given any inclination to bipartisan rule, basically ever. He’ll force through his cabinet regardless, arguably he has a mandate to.
What he doesn’t have is any rights to your brain, for your ability to actually think and process things cogently.
‘I’m not too savvy on…’ well maybe don’t pontificate on them then? Have you considered giving research a shot? Maybe go and actually look into these things and come back you know?
It’s really not all that hard.
C'mon I expected better of you. I admitted I am not to savvy on "procedures" far as I know those have nothing to do with Trump. Introvert seems from other posts in this thread, as someone who has rather good grasp on them. I dont think admitting lack of knowledge of something and asking about it is something to be ashamed off?
on a side note on this bit, because it amused me: "Have you considered giving research a shot?" - yes I did. I was told to trust the experts .
As for other posts in reply to me I think I gave satisfactory response already in my previous post, replying to Wombat.
Edit: Another thing that amused me: Me accusing NewSunshine of "You being unable to express yourself properly" and then using coma instead of full stop .
Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, but you seem to want to give your opinion regardless, even if ill-informed
And if it turns out to be wrong it’s ‘oh noes how was I to know!?’
?
I will challenge you to quote me where I have opinion on procedures applying to electing members of cabinet?? I dont recall myself expressing such opinions? I had opinion who will win this election, who I think is better and so on. To my knowledge though I never even insinuated that I have expert knowledge about the process of president electing his cabinet.
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
While I am operating under the assumption that you are unwilling to learn anything from this experience, I would like to inform you still, that I am rather doubtful that grammar is the issue here.
Now to help you cope with not getting your way I'll double quote you, It is rather helpful that my response feel adequate to both yours's and DPB posts:
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
On November 15 2024 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 15 2024 10:02 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
You being unable to distinguish between literal and figurative speech and needing to litigate my post because you can't help yourself is acting like an asshole, yes.
Nobody likes a Grammar Nazi.
To be fair, 76 million people like one who's bad at grammar.
On November 15 2024 10:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 15 2024 09:31 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:41 NewSunshine wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:25 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:23 NewSunshine wrote: Yeah, I went back and edited in that it's an AP article. It's legit. And might I add, the journalistic integrity of InfoWars is liable to increase exponentially as a result. Couldn't have happened to a worse guy.
Trump was Hitler a little bit over week ago, and now about Alex Jones : " Couldn't have happened to a worse guy." You either dont know who Hitler was, or Alex Jones dude is some hybrid of Genghis Khan, Stalin, and maybe Xenomorph.
Alex Jones is a predatory piece of shit that sold lies for profit at the expense of families that were already grieving the loss of their children to gun violence, and harassed them for his own benefit using lies and conspiracy theories. I don't care to quibble with you about whether he was literally the single worst person alive. It was a figure of speech, asshole.
You being unable to express yourself properly makes me an "asshole", cute.
On November 15 2024 09:08 WombaT wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:39 Razyda wrote:
On November 15 2024 08:35 Introvert wrote: His national security picks were giving me hope but the last few...Gabbard will probably make it, Gaetz probably won't (everyone hates him) and I already saw one GOP senator doing "RFK says some good things so I look forward to hearing more" which basically means he'll get a hearing and we'll see what happens after that.
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be fixed in these bureaucracies so these seem like sub-optimal picks even before you get to other concerns.
I am not to savvy about this procedures in the US, But do you think that recess thing which I saw mentioned would allow Trump to force his picks on?
Trump has never given any inclination to bipartisan rule, basically ever. He’ll force through his cabinet regardless, arguably he has a mandate to.
What he doesn’t have is any rights to your brain, for your ability to actually think and process things cogently.
‘I’m not too savvy on…’ well maybe don’t pontificate on them then? Have you considered giving research a shot? Maybe go and actually look into these things and come back you know?
It’s really not all that hard.
C'mon I expected better of you. I admitted I am not to savvy on "procedures" far as I know those have nothing to do with Trump. Introvert seems from other posts in this thread, as someone who has rather good grasp on them. I dont think admitting lack of knowledge of something and asking about it is something to be ashamed off?
on a side note on this bit, because it amused me: "Have you considered giving research a shot?" - yes I did. I was told to trust the experts .
As for other posts in reply to me I think I gave satisfactory response already in my previous post, replying to Wombat.
Edit: Another thing that amused me: Me accusing NewSunshine of "You being unable to express yourself properly" and then using coma instead of full stop .
I think most people fully stop when they fall into a coma.
Considering the way this discussion evolved I think it is rather appropriate to suggest that watching first 20 seconds of this video may help people with surviving Trump presidency :
Cabinet picks by Trump are a joke. Matt Gaetz is a clown. An anti-vaxxer as your health guy. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense. Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name. It's basically a who's who of anyone willing to kiss his ass the hardest.
On November 15 2024 06:15 oBlade wrote: RFK Jr. in at HHS according to Don Jr. 10 minutes ago.
Already the most bipartisan administration in decades.
What's your working definition of "bipartisan"? Or was this meant as a joke? I can't tell with your posts sometimes.
My definition is I see 3+ Democrats already and that's more people from the other party than any other administration has poached for a while.
I don't think calling RFK Jr a Democrat is very fair. It's about as useful a point as saying Trump is a democrat. At some point, they were members of the Democratic party, but that doesn't make them Democrats. Even Tulsi Gabbard is a stretch and for her I'm not sure her views changed or she's an opportunistic lickspittle who'll hitch her wagon to whoever she thinks will give her the easiest route to more power. I'm not sure who the 3rd is.
In any case, there's more Fox News hosts than Democrats in his cabinet
Well, the statement: Trump is the most bipartisan* president ever is not technically incorrect, for a given definition of bipartisan.
On November 15 2024 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Cabinet picks by Trump are a joke. Matt Gaetz is a clown. An anti-vaxxer as your health guy. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense. Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name. It's basically a who's who of anyone willing to kiss his ass the hardest.
I agree with you, these are not serious people. But we knew that coming in -- it is going to be a shitshow, again.
On November 15 2024 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Cabinet picks by Trump are a joke. Matt Gaetz is a clown. An anti-vaxxer as your health guy. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense. Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name. It's basically a who's who of anyone willing to kiss his ass the hardest.
Of course, that’s how Trump works, and has been indulged in doing so for years now.
The more his arse being kissed becomes effectively the only qualification, the worse it gets.
On November 15 2024 06:15 oBlade wrote: RFK Jr. in at HHS according to Don Jr. 10 minutes ago.
Already the most bipartisan administration in decades.
What's your working definition of "bipartisan"? Or was this meant as a joke? I can't tell with your posts sometimes.
My definition is I see 3+ Democrats already and that's more people from the other party than any other administration has poached for a while.
I don't think calling RFK Jr a Democrat is very fair. It's about as useful a point as saying Trump is a democrat. At some point, they were members of the Democratic party, but that doesn't make them Democrats. Even Tulsi Gabbard is a stretch and for her I'm not sure her views changed or she's an opportunistic lickspittle who'll hitch her wagon to whoever she thinks will give her the easiest route to more power. I'm not sure who the 3rd is.
While not quite as unhinged and vitriolic, your response is interesting. The Republicans already have someone named Kennedy from Louisiana. Most Americans understand that the Kennedy family are Democrats.
Being a member of the Democrat Party is basically the only thing that makes anyone a Democrat. Whether you need to split hairs and vigilantly add "former" or "ex" or changed the word to "turncoat" in order to feel smarter than what should be a basic observation - whatever that class of people is, whatever word you want to put on them - tell me if there's a recent administration who had more of them. Besides his first term which also had them but of lesser profile.
Honestly, I think these appointments are pretty much all good news.
We know his intentions are to break every institution he disagrees with. We've known that basically since he left office. The only question was how effective he would be this time around. There was a real risk that he would reach into some nether portal built by Project 2025 and come back with an army of ruthlessly efficient ideologues ready to tear the entire thing down for real this time.
We appear to have dodged that timeline, at least for the moment. These appointments make it clear that he's prioritising loyalty over competence to a hilarious degree. We've ended up with a pile of bumblefucks who couldn't locate their backsides with both hands, and that is absolutely fine when we consider the alternatives.
Yes, being "led" by self-aggrandizing morons will damage these institutions badly, but "damage badly" has been the best-case scenario since the morning after the poll. Most of these people are stupid enough and selfish enough that the switched-on bureaucrats should be able to save the furniture.
On November 15 2024 06:15 oBlade wrote: RFK Jr. in at HHS according to Don Jr. 10 minutes ago.
Already the most bipartisan administration in decades.
What's your working definition of "bipartisan"? Or was this meant as a joke? I can't tell with your posts sometimes.
My definition is I see 3+ Democrats already and that's more people from the other party than any other administration has poached for a while.
I don't think calling RFK Jr a Democrat is very fair. It's about as useful a point as saying Trump is a democrat. At some point, they were members of the Democratic party, but that doesn't make them Democrats. Even Tulsi Gabbard is a stretch and for her I'm not sure her views changed or she's an opportunistic lickspittle who'll hitch her wagon to whoever she thinks will give her the easiest route to more power. I'm not sure who the 3rd is.
While not quite as unhinged and vitriolic, your response is interesting. The Republicans already have someone named Kennedy from Louisiana. Most Americans understand that the Kennedy family are Democrats.
Being a member of the Democrat Party is basically the only thing that makes anyone a Democrat. Whether you need to split hairs and vigilantly add "former" or "ex" or changed the word to "turncoat" in order to feel smarter than what should be a basic observation - whatever that class of people is, whatever word you want to put on them - tell me if there's a recent administration who had more of them. Besides his first term which also had them but of lesser profile.
Did you not claim that Liz Cheney outreach from the Harris campaign wasn’t really a bipartisan gesture because she wasn’t popular nor aligned with mainstream republican sentiment anymore?
Genuine question, I may be incorrectly recalling, or misread at the time. Don’t want to missrepresent.
On November 15 2024 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Cabinet picks by Trump are a joke. Matt Gaetz is a clown. An anti-vaxxer as your health guy. Fox News host for Secretary of Defense. Tulsi Gabbard is just a shill that realized her career would be better with an R next to her name. It's basically a who's who of anyone willing to kiss his ass the hardest.
So far, yeah. It seems to align with Trump's personality, where he cares more about appointing suck-ups who stroke his ego than he does trying to find the people who would do the best job at pushing through the most conservative, Republican, anti-Democrat agenda possible. As Belisarius also pointed out, perhaps this is a (very slight) silver lining, as a bunch of ineffectual morons will hopefully do far less damage than, say, a Cabinet full of Mitch McConnells.
Speaking of McConnell, his Senatorial successor has been chosen: John Thune. This article attempts to make the case that Thune is a more traditional, anti-MAGA Republican, and that choosing him may signal that even though the federal government will be completely run by Republicans, not all of the Republicans in power will be all-i-care-about-is-Trump-liking-me Republicans: https://time.com/7176326/trump-john-thune-senate/ (I don't know much about Thune at the moment, but I'm sure I'll learn a lot about him over the next few years.)
On November 15 2024 20:03 Belisarius wrote: Honestly, I think these appointments are pretty much all good news.
We know his intentions are to break every institution he disagrees with. We've known that basically since he left office. The only question was how effective he would be this time around. There was a real risk that he would reach into some nether portal built by Project 2025 and come back with an army of ruthlessly efficient ideologues ready to tear the entire thing down for real this time.
We appear to have dodged that timeline, at least for the moment. These appointments make it clear that he's prioritising loyalty over competence to a hilarious degree. We've ended up with a pile of bumblefucks who couldn't locate their backsides with both hands, and that is absolutely fine when we consider the alternatives.
Yes, being "led" by self-aggrandizing morons will damage these institutions badly, but "damage badly" has been the best-case scenario since the morning after the poll. Most of these people are stupid enough and selfish enough that the switched-on bureaucrats should be able to save the furniture.
I wonder if the two are somewhat antithetical. If Trump was an ideologue he could conceivably occasionally see past his pathological need for loyalty and go for folks who’d push the cause forwards with efficient competence.
It’s overall the yin to the yang of Trumpism as a phenomenon really. If a big part of the appeal is a disdain for establishment expertise, it’s kinda hard to pivot.
Idiots can still do a fair bit of damage mind. It was somewhat hilarious when Conservative Party members voted for Liz Truss because she parroted similar populist nonsense. Turns out a little expertise comes in handy, but on the plus side the daft decision of Conservative Members did contribute greatly to the party being absolutely wiped out the next election.
Not being a Republican, so reading around a bit it seems plenty of commentators from that side of the aisle don’t like many of these cabinet picks either.
And I mean Matt Gaetz? How he’s even still in front-line politics blows my mind.
On November 15 2024 17:47 Velr wrote: When ideas are based in reality, I like to engage.
If it's moronic left/right wing extremist garbage. I don't see any value in it and that so many people do, is part of the problem.
My dad always used to tell me that if everyone else seems like the problem its probably worth looking at yourself.
Pretending like the cozy centrist political consensus is working for enough people for you to consider only centrism to be worth engaging with is what I would call delusional.
If you don't believe me, look at the results of recent elections.
I don't think it is fair to claim that Velr only views centrists as worth engaging with.
I personally consider myself to be pretty leftwing. Not GH-style leftwing, but rather leftwing nonetheless. I believe that our society requires a lot more redistribution of wealth from the rich to normal people, and that that is one of the top problems currently. I do not think i am a centrist.
And yet i have not had the impression that Velr had any problems engaging with me so far.
I don't think this is actually about political positions, but about sanity and being rooted in reality. And i would agree that in the last decade or so, groups of people that are just completely detached from reality have gained ever more prominence. And those groups of people with "alternate facts" are really, really hard to talk to.
On November 15 2024 17:47 Velr wrote: When ideas are based in reality, I like to engage.
If it's moronic left/right wing extremist garbage. I don't see any value in it and that so many people do, is part of the problem.
My dad always used to tell me that if everyone else seems like the problem its probably worth looking at yourself.
Pretending like the cozy centrist political consensus is working for enough people for you to consider only centrism to be worth engaging with is what I would call delusional.
If you don't believe me, look at the results of recent elections.
I don't think it is fair to claim that Velr only views centrists as worth engaging with.
I personally consider myself to be pretty leftwing. Not GH-style leftwing, but rather leftwing nonetheless. I believe that our society requires a lot more redistribution of wealth from the rich to normal people, and that that is one of the top problems currently. I do not think i am a centrist.
And yet i have not had the impression that Velr had any problems engaging with me so far.
I don't think this is actually about political positions, but about sanity and being rooted in reality. And i would agree that in the last decade or so, groups of people that are just completely detached from reality have gained ever more prominence. And those groups of people with "alternate facts" are really, really hard to talk to.
I don’t really get that vibe from Velr for sure, although the ‘Enlightened Centrist’TM archetype of which Jock alludes to can be pretty fucking insufferable and is certainly one I encounter frequently.
Bingo on the bolded. I think it is because we now have outlet valves for folks who just can’t handle being wrong, or not knowing things.
To me there’s no shame in either, how we learn after all! But I genuinely believe some people either outright can’t do it, or struggle with it. Well, they can just find out enough other people who share whatever belief it is and keep up the illusion that their worldview and opinions are always right.
I think it’s also an outlet so folks never have to deal with difficult moral decisions and own whatever their position is.
Where should the balance be struck between saving lives, and well, having a life in a pandemic? Well, that’s a bloody hard question eh?
Well, if said pandemic is no big deal, all the way thru an outright hoax, you never have to internally make that call. You don’t have to deal with the potential death, because that’s not even on the scales anymore via the magic of ‘alternative facts’
On November 15 2024 06:15 oBlade wrote: RFK Jr. in at HHS according to Don Jr. 10 minutes ago.
Already the most bipartisan administration in decades.
What's your working definition of "bipartisan"? Or was this meant as a joke? I can't tell with your posts sometimes.
My definition is I see 3+ Democrats already and that's more people from the other party than any other administration has poached for a while.
I don't think calling RFK Jr a Democrat is very fair. It's about as useful a point as saying Trump is a democrat. At some point, they were members of the Democratic party, but that doesn't make them Democrats. Even Tulsi Gabbard is a stretch and for her I'm not sure her views changed or she's an opportunistic lickspittle who'll hitch her wagon to whoever she thinks will give her the easiest route to more power. I'm not sure who the 3rd is.
While not quite as unhinged and vitriolic, your response is interesting. The Republicans already have someone named Kennedy from Louisiana. Most Americans understand that the Kennedy family are Democrats.
Being a member of the Democrat Party is basically the only thing that makes anyone a Democrat. Whether you need to split hairs and vigilantly add "former" or "ex" or changed the word to "turncoat" in order to feel smarter than what should be a basic observation - whatever that class of people is, whatever word you want to put on them - tell me if there's a recent administration who had more of them. Besides his first term which also had them but of lesser profile.
Did you not claim that Liz Cheney outreach from the Harris campaign wasn’t really a bipartisan gesture because she wasn’t popular nor aligned with mainstream republican sentiment anymore?
Genuine question, I may be incorrectly recalling, or misread at the time. Don’t want to missrepresent.
I do not view "bipartisan(ship)" as an inherent good. You possibly do, in which case you're exploring if I might believe things contradictory to that because it might look like that's why I brought this up. It was a simple observation.
Often times in politics, and in life, one person or side is completely correct and the other is completely wrong. In politics, I am not a fan of bipartisan warmongering state-corporatist globalism. However, I appreciate bipartisan populism. In Liz Cheney's case, not only was it the former, because she is simply an idiot who's wrong about almost everything, but the nature of her reaching across the aisle was a consequence of the fact that not only is she simply an incompetent retard who is wrong about everything of substance, she managed herself into such a failure of a political corner after getting excommunicated from her own circles that she had no choice but to reach in an act of bipartisan desperation across the aisle towards a campaign that may be now second guessing the wisdom of having accepted that spoiled olive branch.
Fortunately, we will have to wait a long time to see if Cheney would end up with a role in any Harris administration. Unfortunately, that long time is going to be unpunctuated tantrums directed to anyone associated with the Blumpf administration, including lifelong environmentalist and patriots, because they are the only people left now to project those emotions onto, because theoretically they can be "got" whereas the left has utterly failed to "get" Blumpf and they need a new target for their futility.
Edit: I don't want to be unfair to Liz Cheney by being results-oriented. She did make a brave all-in move. If it had worked out with Harris getting just about 200k more votes, we would be possibly talking about how Cheney's going to run some federal department right now instead.
On November 15 2024 21:42 oBlade wrote:In Liz Cheney's case, not only was it the former, because she is simply an idiot who's wrong about almost everything, but the nature of her reaching across the aisle was a consequence of the fact that not only is she simply an incompetent retard who is wrong about everything of substance, she managed herself into such a failure of a political corner after getting excommunicated from her own circles that she had no choice but to reach in an act of bipartisan desperation across the aisle towards a campaign that may be now second guessing the wisdom of having accepted that spoiled olive branch.
You know that we know that all the Trump appointments you are applauding right now will get the same treatment from you as Liz Cheney or John Kelly as soon as they have a falling out with him in t-minus 6 months, right?
Your algorithm for value judgement of politicians/bureaucrats is "If currently allied with Trump = genius, else = retard." As complex as a cockroach deciding what to do when the light turns on in the middle of the night.
On November 15 2024 21:42 oBlade wrote:In Liz Cheney's case, not only was it the former, because she is simply an idiot who's wrong about almost everything, but the nature of her reaching across the aisle was a consequence of the fact that not only is she simply an incompetent retard who is wrong about everything of substance, she managed herself into such a failure of a political corner after getting excommunicated from her own circles that she had no choice but to reach in an act of bipartisan desperation across the aisle towards a campaign that may be now second guessing the wisdom of having accepted that spoiled olive branch.
You know that we know that all the Trump appointments you are applauding right now will get the same treatment from you as Liz Cheney or John Kelly as soon as they have a falling out with him in t-minus 6 months, right?
Your algorithm for value judgement of politicians/bureaucrats is "If currently allied with Trump = genius, else = retard." As complex as a cockroach deciding what to do when the light turns on in the middle of the night.
You have no idea what I believe.
Politician's "variance" happens in low-constituency positions. Governors or senators of large states will generally be the most middle of the road, boring personalities, idealess expression, and middle of the road to their party's current platform. The mavericks or abject failures come from the geographic fringe.
Wyoming doesn't have a million people. That's why they can manage to elect such a retard. Neither does Vermont. That's how they can elect someone like Sanders.
On November 15 2024 21:42 oBlade wrote:In Liz Cheney's case, not only was it the former, because she is simply an idiot who's wrong about almost everything, but the nature of her reaching across the aisle was a consequence of the fact that not only is she simply an incompetent retard who is wrong about everything of substance, she managed herself into such a failure of a political corner after getting excommunicated from her own circles that she had no choice but to reach in an act of bipartisan desperation across the aisle towards a campaign that may be now second guessing the wisdom of having accepted that spoiled olive branch.
You know that we know that all the Trump appointments you are applauding right now will get the same treatment from you as Liz Cheney or John Kelly as soon as they have a falling out with him in t-minus 6 months, right?
Your algorithm for value judgement of politicians/bureaucrats is "If currently allied with Trump = genius, else = retard." As complex as a cockroach deciding what to do when the light turns on in the middle of the night.
You have no idea what I believe.
Politician's "variance" happens in low-constituency positions. Governors or senators of large states will generally be the most middle of the road, boring personalities, idealess expression, and middle of the road to their party's current platform. The mavericks or abject failures come from the geographic fringe.
Wyoming doesn't have a million people. That's why they can manage to elect such a retard. Neither does Vermont. That's how they can elect someone like Sanders.
Your whole thing is pro-right anti-left. We know what you believe.
On November 15 2024 21:42 oBlade wrote:In Liz Cheney's case, not only was it the former, because she is simply an idiot who's wrong about almost everything, but the nature of her reaching across the aisle was a consequence of the fact that not only is she simply an incompetent retard who is wrong about everything of substance, she managed herself into such a failure of a political corner after getting excommunicated from her own circles that she had no choice but to reach in an act of bipartisan desperation across the aisle towards a campaign that may be now second guessing the wisdom of having accepted that spoiled olive branch.
You know that we know that all the Trump appointments you are applauding right now will get the same treatment from you as Liz Cheney or John Kelly as soon as they have a falling out with him in t-minus 6 months, right?
Your algorithm for value judgement of politicians/bureaucrats is "If currently allied with Trump = genius, else = retard." As complex as a cockroach deciding what to do when the light turns on in the middle of the night.
You have no idea what I believe.
Politician's "variance" happens in low-constituency positions. Governors or senators of large states will generally be the most middle of the road, boring personalities, idealess expression, and middle of the road to their party's current platform. The mavericks or abject failures come from the geographic fringe.
Wyoming doesn't have a million people. That's why they can manage to elect such a retard. Neither does Vermont. That's how they can elect someone like Sanders.
Your whole thing is pro-right anti-left. We know what you believe.
On November 15 2024 17:47 Velr wrote: When ideas are based in reality, I like to engage.
If it's moronic left/right wing extremist garbage. I don't see any value in it and that so many people do, is part of the problem.
My dad always used to tell me that if everyone else seems like the problem its probably worth looking at yourself.
Pretending like the cozy centrist political consensus is working for enough people for you to consider only centrism to be worth engaging with is what I would call delusional.
If you don't believe me, look at the results of recent elections.
I don't think it is fair to claim that Velr only views centrists as worth engaging with.
I personally consider myself to be pretty leftwing. Not GH-style leftwing, but rather leftwing nonetheless. I believe that our society requires a lot more redistribution of wealth from the rich to normal people, and that that is one of the top problems currently. I do not think i am a centrist.
And yet i have not had the impression that Velr had any problems engaging with me so far.
I don't think this is actually about political positions, but about sanity and being rooted in reality. And i would agree that in the last decade or so, groups of people that are just completely detached from reality have gained ever more prominence. And those groups of people with "alternate facts" are really, really hard to talk to.
I suppose it depends on how you define things. I didn't bother to ask Velr so you might be right tbh. Some people would define socialists as anything to the left of Elon Musk economically so when velr says socialists are awful i assume he just means leftists in general. I get that that's wrong but everyone seems to have their own definitions of these terms these days.
When it comes to alternative facts, I get just as frustrated as you guys do with the whole idea, but its worth examining where they have come from and why. If the story being told by the more 'sane' governments who tend to be centrists or medium left/right came across as true and worth listening to people probably wouldn't be driven to go find their own convenient facts. The problem is the people we are supposed to listen to are just as likely to come out with utter BS as anyone else is these days. I'll give an example from the UK, The minister in charge of our treasury, Rachel Reeves, said a couple of years ago that she was running for this position because she felt our economy needed completely redesigning from the bottom up to make it more fair and equal and to rebalance things to stop the growth in income inequality. Then she got near government and as soon as it became obvious she was going to get the job it was 'oh yeah sorry about all that we're just going to have more austerity instead.' Where are people supposed to go if you can't get a straight story our of the sensible. centrist-y parties? Take a big enough group of people and you'll find enough of them flocking to the extreme positions that it causes problems.
The center has let everybody down, their growing mutual resentment of the working class will ruin them, and instead of any serious self analysis we just get flaming at anyone who didn't go along with their bullshit.
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