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On June 28 2018 23:56 Doodsmack wrote:
He wore a MAGA hat too.

On June 28 2018 23:37 JimmiC wrote:

I mean you can split hairs and argue about anything. I was defining extremism as the points each side was bringing up about the other.

The point is people should be trying to get these people out of their own party because it reflects poorly on them and their party instead of justifying their inclusion because the other side worse. It brings both parties down.

On June 28 2018 23:58 Introvert wrote:
I mean it was the group who claimed him, but authorities said they found nothing. I was curious, but I guess no one actually knows, although notoriety is possible.

On June 29 2018 00:01 Danglars wrote:

The best you can hope for is rejecting politicians like Maxine Waters that look to be siding with the more stupid elements. The extremist elements will always compromise to wherever the main party is. If the main party does anything beyond tepid pushback, the extremists turn their attention to the "traitors" in their midst instead of the "enemy."

And yeah I'm with xDaunt on the far left. The riots and violence against conservative speakers is on a whole different level, and it receives greater acceptance from those just inside the extremesI wouldn't go so far as to say they're cheering for the end of the civil society, but the lefties here definitely justify and defend it to a far greater degree, with either "he started it" or "free speech is how the nazis got their start, too!" That and insane overdramatic performances I mean, Trump supporters actually chanted for the jailing Clinton! Wow! And defending the free speech rights of nazis is tantamount to defending nazi ideology, you white supremacists).

Very interesting times.

On June 29 2018 00:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What the heck is a left extremist and what exactly have they done in USA? Have they threatened riots if the election didn't go their way? Do they bomb abortion clinics? Do they march for the extermination of coloured people wielding guns and driving cars into counter protesters? In fact what exactly does right and left mean here, and what does extremist mean, other than a side I agree/not agree with?

lastly, Nazis and white supremacists might have free speech rights, but to march with guns and drive cars into counter protesters are indefensible. Not to mention the views are indefensible too. But hey, if you want to make your camp with said nazis and supremacists, just let everyone know first.

What the heck is a left extremist and what exactly have they done in USA? Have they threatened riots if the election didn't go their way? Do they bomb abortion clinics? Do they march for the extermination of coloured people wielding guns and driving cars into counter protesters? In fact what exactly does right and left mean here, and what does extremist mean, other than a side I agree/not agree with?

On June 29 2018 00:38 Plansix wrote:

Most of the super pro-free speech people talk to are willing to concede the point that being armed while protesting shouldn’t be protected. 200 people marching with firearms isn’t peaceful. And it limits the rights of others who want to march in opposition safely.

On June 29 2018 00:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

I'm not getting that impression from either Danglars nor xdaunt. They have been asked multiple times whether they think that marching with guns should or should not be protected, whether to do so considered is reprehensible or not, whether to do so is to be considered civil or not, in various guises and each time they either ignore it, write that it is a loaded question, waffle on about something irrelevent, or just repeat that it is a constitutional right to do so. Both can consider this a question directed at them on each of those points, if they deign to answer.

On June 29 2018 01:03 m4ini wrote:


They're gun advocates, both.

The answer there should be pretty clear.

On June 29 2018 01:03 m4ini wrote:


They're gun advocates, both.

The answer there should be pretty clear.

On June 29 2018 01:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Things are looking up for Trumps upcoming summit with Putin. Putin is a man of his word, who should be trusted as Trump heads into negotiations. Russia insists they did not meddle.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1012295859072126977

...Many Canadians are wondering how a once-strong relationship with the U.S. has deteriorated so quickly.

"Canadians are livid; the anger is across the country," says Roland Paris, a professor of international affairs at the University of Ottawa and a former foreign policy adviser to Trudeau.

He says Trump may be using tariffs and undignified language as leverage for trade deals, such as the ongoing North American Free Trade Agreement talks, but Canadians are shocked at being treated as an adversary.

"If President Trump's goal is to try to soften up his negotiating partner by issuing threats, it's having the opposite effect, because people are more resolved to stand up against this kind of bullying," he says.

The Canadian government says it will levy dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on July 1, Canada Day. These will include steel and aluminum, along with other products — such as bourbon from Kentucky — that will particularly hit states aligned with Trump.

Gary Howe, the president of the United Steelworkers Local 1005, in Hamilton, Ontario, says his members aren't panicking yet about a possible trade war with the U.S. The bigger concern is what's happening on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"You know, the kids that are separated from their parents — I mean, it really makes Trump look to be like quite a monster," he says. "I think that most Canadians would kind of view him as ... quite an evil person, you know, because that's the way that the [Canadian] media has been kind of presenting it."

Paris says many Canadians have relatives and friends in the U.S. and understand it is a big and complex country.

"Nevertheless," he says, "the chaos, the meanness, the brutality of American politics right now is something that is profoundly shocking to Canadians and I think many people feel that they do not recognize the U.S. anymore."

Gordon Ritchie, Canada's ambassador for trade negotiations in the 1980s and one of the principal negotiators of the original Canada-U.S. free trade agreement, says the tariffs and tough talk have created a breach of trust — but the relationship will survive.

"I think the Canadian-American relationship — in political and economic terms — is very, very close and it will outlast this president," he says.

In the meantime, he believes Canadians will continue to voice their disapproval with the Trump administration through the #BuyCanadian movement. He predicts that will extend to the tourism industry as well. Three of his neighbors who spend time in Florida every year are now looking for new vacation spots outside the U.S.

On June 29 2018 01:45 Plansix wrote:


Source

NPR is reporting on a fast growing movement in Canada to boycott American goods over Trump's treatment of their country and president. Canada, one of the few counties we had a trade surplus with until now. And the UK just dropped a report on US torture tactics and how the UK knew about them. Today is not a great day to be an American who sells products over seas.