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On June 28 2018 22:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I don't understand how Trump gets away with lamenting people who got sent to jail for money laundering and fraud. He's calling it a disgrace. While at the same time hammering on about 'crooked Hilary' who was also investigated and cleared of any charges.
He wants an investigation for someone that is already investigated but hates the investigation that brings out actual crooks. Like is it really this transparent?
yes it is this transparent; there's a number of well known cognitive biases that allow people to think things like this and let his supporters ignore it. do you want links to some sort of sources that explain them more?
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On June 28 2018 22:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:12 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. I am confusing. This comment seems to imply the tea party has civility or decency. Not as much as I would like, but far more than what you’ll find on the other end of the spectrum.
I grew up in tea party voting rural America and live in near city filled with endless progressives. The right doesn’t have any special claim to civility, at all. You need to get out more.
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On June 28 2018 22:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. I am confusing. This comment seems to imply the tea party has civility or decency. Not as much as I would like, but far more than what you’ll find on the other end of the spectrum. I grew up in tea party voting rural America and live in near city filled with endless progressives. The right doesn’t have any special claim to civility, at all. You need to get out more.
I can't get my head around how fucked up you have to be to believe that people of your political persuasion are somehow superior to everyone else. Its tribalism taken to an absolute extreme. Claiming that the right is more civil is just fucking mental.
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On June 28 2018 22:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:12 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. I am confusing. This comment seems to imply the tea party has civility or decency. Not as much as I would like, but far more than what you’ll find on the other end of the spectrum.
Because a bunch of crazies locking themselves up in a cabin in Oregon (I think, might have been some other NW state) with a bunch of guns was civil and decent? Or, for that matter, driving a car into a crowd, and killing a peaceful protester.
Also, I don't think any (realistic) politician on the left is planning on running on an antifa campaign... and those were the ones rioting. If peaceful protests are your idea of "incivility" and "indecency", then I guess I'm happy to be on that side!
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On a related note, the Charlotte killer was just charged with a host of hate crimes.
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On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said.
Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally.
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Good to hear that fine man has been properly charged. Only the best for those fine people.
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On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally.
it’s not like she insinuated her opponents should be shot. Or the occupy wall streeters weren’t convicted of a hate crime during their protest. or ..
haha just kidding who has the time. JockMcPlop has your number this time.
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On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally.
I suppose you don't want to talk about Timothy McVeigh then..
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On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally.
My guy, I have seen anti-Obama protests where they carry around effigies of him hung from a tree. Those fine free speech folks last year straight up killed someone and nearly beat someone to death. I can’t tell if you truly believe this or just think we are all super stupid.
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On June 28 2018 22:27 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally. it’s not like she insinuated her opponents should be shot. Or the occupy wall streeters weren’t convicted of a hate crime during their protest. or .. haha just kidding who has the time. JockMcPlop has your number this time.
So you’re going to rest your defense on a couple poor statements in light of tons of actual mass violence/mayhem instigated by the left? Good luck with that one.
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It also bears worth mentioning that riot police are probably at every tea party rally, only they're there as attendees and not cops 
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On June 28 2018 22:33 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally. I suppose you don't want to talk about Timothy McVeigh then..
How far in the past do you really want to go? There’s no shortage of leftist terrorists to choose from.
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On June 28 2018 22:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:27 brian wrote:On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally. it’s not like she insinuated her opponents should be shot. Or the occupy wall streeters weren’t convicted of a hate crime during their protest. or .. haha just kidding who has the time. JockMcPlop has your number this time. So you’re going to rest your defense on a couple poor statements in light of tons of actual mass violence/mayhem instigated by the left? Good luck with that one.
So turning up to Charlottesville with torches, shields and weapons literally trying to start a war on the streets is civilized is it?
You have fooled yourself, and its obvious to the rest of us.
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On June 28 2018 22:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:12 Gorsameth wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. I am confusing. This comment seems to imply the tea party has civility or decency. Not as much as I would like, but far more than what you’ll find on the other end of the spectrum.
Joke of the century. The tea party is just a thinly veiled front that provides legitimacy to white supremacists and Klansmen to camouflage themselves under the guise of opposing big government mixed with a healthy dose of jingoism and a borderline fetish for the founding fathers. The tea party is the scourge of American and Western values, and a strong left is absolutely required to counter the economic and social terrorism being pushed by your ilk. I'm just surprised the left didn't organize sooner.
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On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally.
You don't get to equate the moderate side of the ultraconservative right with the most radical left-wing movements you can find.
But even if you do, I'll relate it back to something of a success here in Spain. I don't know about Occupy Wallstreet, but the inspiration (the 15-M protests in Spain) was completely peaceful. They just refused to leave when ordered to do so, which eventually caused the police to forcefully remove them, and that sparked general outrage against the police, and forced police chiefs to resign, despite it being quite clear that some of the 15-M protesters were actually out to get that footage. The 15-M protests eventually heavily influenced the formation of Podemos, currently a fairly influential party in Spain, and all without violence.
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On June 28 2018 22:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:33 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally. I suppose you don't want to talk about Timothy McVeigh then.. How far in the past do you really want to go? There’s no shortage of leftist terrorists to choose from.
I think you're confused. I'm not trying to join in your ridiculous 'people on the right are better' pissing contest, I'm trying to point out to you how stupid it is.
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On June 28 2018 22:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 28 2018 22:12 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 22:09 Acrofales wrote:On June 28 2018 22:08 xDaunt wrote:On June 28 2018 21:54 Plansix wrote:
The biggest fear is that the infighting never stops, like the tea party. That the primary season never ends and they fight all the way through their term. The infighting will likely be worse on the left if the democrat version of the tea party takes off. The far left isn’t bound by sufficient civility and decency for it to go any other way. Since when are you a connoisseur of the "far left"? Or are you basing your opinion on... GH? The far left of the US is the political group that thinks it’s okay to riot and relentlessly harass political opponents as a form of civil disobedience. Are you really going to debate this after what we have seen over the past couple years? Donald Trump. Lock her up. Enough said. Oh please. That’s child’s play compared to what the far left does. From occupy Wall Street, to anti-police race demonstrations/riots, to violence over conservative speakers speaking at universities, to Maxine Waters inciting harassment of opposing political figures, the far left is far more feral than the tea party. It’s not even close. The riot police don’t regularly come out and fire tear gas when the tea party has a rally. You don't get to equate the moderate side of the ultraconservative right with the most radical left-wing movements you can find. But even if you do, I'll relate it back to something of a success here in Spain. I don't know about Occupy Wallstreet, but the inspiration (the 15-M protests in Spain) was completely peaceful. They just refused to leave when ordered to do so, which eventually caused the police to forcefully remove them, and that sparked general outrage against the police, and forced police chiefs to resign, despite it being quite clear that some of the 15-M protesters were actually out to get that footage. The 15-M protesters eventually heavily influenced the formation of Podemos, currently a fairly influential party in Spain, and all without violence.
Why not? We had ample discussions about those events around here, and my recollection is that the regular leftists tolerated and even defended what was going on.
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On June 28 2018 22:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 22:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I don't understand how Trump gets away with lamenting people who got sent to jail for money laundering and fraud. He's calling it a disgrace. While at the same time hammering on about 'crooked Hilary' who was also investigated and cleared of any charges.
He wants an investigation for someone that is already investigated but hates the investigation that brings out actual crooks. Like is it really this transparent? Yes, the power of congestive dissonance.
an allergy to facts, if you will.
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