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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
June 28 2018 17:18 GMT
#7461
On June 29 2018 02:02 Mercy13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 01:45 Plansix wrote:
...Many Canadians are wondering how a once-strong relationship with the U.S. has deteriorated so quickly.

"Canadians are livid; the anger is across the country," says Roland Paris, a professor of international affairs at the University of Ottawa and a former foreign policy adviser to Trudeau.

He says Trump may be using tariffs and undignified language as leverage for trade deals, such as the ongoing North American Free Trade Agreement talks, but Canadians are shocked at being treated as an adversary.

"If President Trump's goal is to try to soften up his negotiating partner by issuing threats, it's having the opposite effect, because people are more resolved to stand up against this kind of bullying," he says.

The Canadian government says it will levy dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on July 1, Canada Day. These will include steel and aluminum, along with other products — such as bourbon from Kentucky — that will particularly hit states aligned with Trump.

Gary Howe, the president of the United Steelworkers Local 1005, in Hamilton, Ontario, says his members aren't panicking yet about a possible trade war with the U.S. The bigger concern is what's happening on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"You know, the kids that are separated from their parents — I mean, it really makes Trump look to be like quite a monster," he says. "I think that most Canadians would kind of view him as ... quite an evil person, you know, because that's the way that the [Canadian] media has been kind of presenting it."

Paris says many Canadians have relatives and friends in the U.S. and understand it is a big and complex country.

"Nevertheless," he says, "the chaos, the meanness, the brutality of American politics right now is something that is profoundly shocking to Canadians and I think many people feel that they do not recognize the U.S. anymore."

Gordon Ritchie, Canada's ambassador for trade negotiations in the 1980s and one of the principal negotiators of the original Canada-U.S. free trade agreement, says the tariffs and tough talk have created a breach of trust — but the relationship will survive.

"I think the Canadian-American relationship — in political and economic terms — is very, very close and it will outlast this president," he says.

In the meantime, he believes Canadians will continue to voice their disapproval with the Trump administration through the #BuyCanadian movement. He predicts that will extend to the tourism industry as well. Three of his neighbors who spend time in Florida every year are now looking for new vacation spots outside the U.S.


Source

NPR is reporting on a fast growing movement in Canada to boycott American goods over Trump's treatment of their country and president. Canada, one of the few counties we had a trade surplus with until now. And the UK just dropped a report on US torture tactics and how the UK knew about them. Today is not a great day to be an American who sells products over seas.


Retaliatory tariffs on certain important exports are all well and good, but Trump doesn't care if his supporters lose their jobs; they'll probably vote for him anyway as long as he projects sufficient disgust at black people protesting their lack of civil rights and other similar cultural issues. Our allies should focus on what he actually cares about and implement targeted sanctions against the Trump Organization.
The Tariffs are not targeted at Trump or his supporters. They are targeted at getting specific people in Congress to get them to exert influence to stop.
Targeting the Trump organisation is a lot harder because its real estate not industries and specific targeting of his clubs/hotels probably falls outside what the WTO allows as retaliation.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
June 28 2018 17:23 GMT
#7462
On June 29 2018 02:18 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 02:02 Mercy13 wrote:
On June 29 2018 01:45 Plansix wrote:
...Many Canadians are wondering how a once-strong relationship with the U.S. has deteriorated so quickly.

"Canadians are livid; the anger is across the country," says Roland Paris, a professor of international affairs at the University of Ottawa and a former foreign policy adviser to Trudeau.

He says Trump may be using tariffs and undignified language as leverage for trade deals, such as the ongoing North American Free Trade Agreement talks, but Canadians are shocked at being treated as an adversary.

"If President Trump's goal is to try to soften up his negotiating partner by issuing threats, it's having the opposite effect, because people are more resolved to stand up against this kind of bullying," he says.

The Canadian government says it will levy dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on July 1, Canada Day. These will include steel and aluminum, along with other products — such as bourbon from Kentucky — that will particularly hit states aligned with Trump.

Gary Howe, the president of the United Steelworkers Local 1005, in Hamilton, Ontario, says his members aren't panicking yet about a possible trade war with the U.S. The bigger concern is what's happening on the U.S.-Mexico border.

"You know, the kids that are separated from their parents — I mean, it really makes Trump look to be like quite a monster," he says. "I think that most Canadians would kind of view him as ... quite an evil person, you know, because that's the way that the [Canadian] media has been kind of presenting it."

Paris says many Canadians have relatives and friends in the U.S. and understand it is a big and complex country.

"Nevertheless," he says, "the chaos, the meanness, the brutality of American politics right now is something that is profoundly shocking to Canadians and I think many people feel that they do not recognize the U.S. anymore."

Gordon Ritchie, Canada's ambassador for trade negotiations in the 1980s and one of the principal negotiators of the original Canada-U.S. free trade agreement, says the tariffs and tough talk have created a breach of trust — but the relationship will survive.

"I think the Canadian-American relationship — in political and economic terms — is very, very close and it will outlast this president," he says.

In the meantime, he believes Canadians will continue to voice their disapproval with the Trump administration through the #BuyCanadian movement. He predicts that will extend to the tourism industry as well. Three of his neighbors who spend time in Florida every year are now looking for new vacation spots outside the U.S.


Source

NPR is reporting on a fast growing movement in Canada to boycott American goods over Trump's treatment of their country and president. Canada, one of the few counties we had a trade surplus with until now. And the UK just dropped a report on US torture tactics and how the UK knew about them. Today is not a great day to be an American who sells products over seas.


Retaliatory tariffs on certain important exports are all well and good, but Trump doesn't care if his supporters lose their jobs; they'll probably vote for him anyway as long as he projects sufficient disgust at black people protesting their lack of civil rights and other similar cultural issues. Our allies should focus on what he actually cares about and implement targeted sanctions against the Trump Organization.
The Tariffs are not targeted at Trump or his supporters. They are targeted at getting specific people in Congress to get them to exert influence to stop.
Targeting the Trump organisation is a lot harder because its real estate not industries and specific targeting of his clubs/hotels probably falls outside what the WTO allows as retaliation.


I'm not an expert on trade law so you're probably right. I would just find it extremely entertaining if the EU etc. sanctions Trump and his company personally. His reaction would be telling and I think it would be a lot more effective than the tariffs which are currently being considered.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
June 28 2018 17:25 GMT
#7463
Bourbon is gonna take a big hit, as it should.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 28 2018 17:27 GMT
#7464
Yeah, why couldn't they punish a brown liquor enjoy drinking. Like scotch...we don't really make good scotch here. Trump better not slap a tariff on scotch.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45051 Posts
June 28 2018 17:46 GMT
#7465
Satellite Images Show North Korea Making 'Rapid' Upgrades to Nuclear Facility

North Korea has continued to make “rapid” infrastructure improvements at a nuclear research facility despite leader Kim Jong Un’s recent pledge to “work toward complete denuclearization” of the Korean peninsula, satellite images show.

Analysis of commercial satellite images obtained by Pyongyang-monitoring site 38 North reveals upgrades “continuing at a rapid pace” throughout North Korea’s Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center, including modifications to its plutonium production reactor’s cooling system.

At least two newly erected non-industrial buildings are visible in the images, captured on June 21, and various improvements have been made to other buildings and facilities according to a post on the site written by Frank V. Pabian, Joseph S. Bermudez Jr. and Jack Liu.

However, the post’s authors say the continued work “should not be seen as having any relationship to North Korea’s pledge to denuclearize,” adding that the North’s “nuclear cadre can be expected to proceed with business as usual until specific orders are issued from Pyongyang.”

Jenny Town, 38 North’s managing editor, wrote on Twitter that the ongoing upgrades at Yongbyon underscore “why an actual deal is necessary, not just a statement of lofty goals.”

The day after U.S. President Donald Trump met Kim for a historic summit in Singapore on June 12, the American leader declared that Pyongyang was “no longer a nuclear threat.” Ten days later, he renewed longstanding sanctions on the Kim regime, citing the “extraordinary threat” the country’s nuclear weapons pose.

Many analysts are skeptical that Kim will give up his nuclear arsenal, pointing to the collapse of similar deals in the past. The vague wording of the Singapore declaration, which omits the terms “verifiable” and “irreversible” previously insisted upon by the Trump administration, has heightened uncertainty over the implications of the deal.

At a press conference in Seoul on June 14, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said sanctions on North Korea would remain in place until denuclearization occurred, but offered few details about how the complex process of complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization would be implemented.
http://time.com/5323254/north-korea-nuclear-upgrade/

It sounds like Trump's claim that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, after meeting with KJU and making a deal that had no substance in it whatsoever, might not be completely and entirely truthful and reliable.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 28 2018 18:27 GMT
#7466
On June 29 2018 02:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
Satellite Images Show North Korea Making 'Rapid' Upgrades to Nuclear Facility

North Korea has continued to make “rapid” infrastructure improvements at a nuclear research facility despite leader Kim Jong Un’s recent pledge to “work toward complete denuclearization” of the Korean peninsula, satellite images show.

Analysis of commercial satellite images obtained by Pyongyang-monitoring site 38 North reveals upgrades “continuing at a rapid pace” throughout North Korea’s Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center, including modifications to its plutonium production reactor’s cooling system.

At least two newly erected non-industrial buildings are visible in the images, captured on June 21, and various improvements have been made to other buildings and facilities according to a post on the site written by Frank V. Pabian, Joseph S. Bermudez Jr. and Jack Liu.

However, the post’s authors say the continued work “should not be seen as having any relationship to North Korea’s pledge to denuclearize,” adding that the North’s “nuclear cadre can be expected to proceed with business as usual until specific orders are issued from Pyongyang.”

Jenny Town, 38 North’s managing editor, wrote on Twitter that the ongoing upgrades at Yongbyon underscore “why an actual deal is necessary, not just a statement of lofty goals.”

The day after U.S. President Donald Trump met Kim for a historic summit in Singapore on June 12, the American leader declared that Pyongyang was “no longer a nuclear threat.” Ten days later, he renewed longstanding sanctions on the Kim regime, citing the “extraordinary threat” the country’s nuclear weapons pose.

Many analysts are skeptical that Kim will give up his nuclear arsenal, pointing to the collapse of similar deals in the past. The vague wording of the Singapore declaration, which omits the terms “verifiable” and “irreversible” previously insisted upon by the Trump administration, has heightened uncertainty over the implications of the deal.

At a press conference in Seoul on June 14, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said sanctions on North Korea would remain in place until denuclearization occurred, but offered few details about how the complex process of complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization would be implemented.
http://time.com/5323254/north-korea-nuclear-upgrade/

It sounds like Trump's claim that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, after meeting with KJU and making a deal that had no substance in it whatsoever, might not be completely and entirely truthful and reliable.

Darn. I thought there was a chance that Trump was telling the truth this time.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9632 Posts
June 28 2018 18:35 GMT
#7467
remember, this is one of those situations where you have to look at what he *does,* not what he *says.*

or was it the other way around? whichever fits best this time.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 28 2018 18:47 GMT
#7468
Oh yeah, you're right. Can't look at what he says, you have to look at his results, because those speak for themselves.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 28 2018 19:07 GMT
#7469
Rosenstein and Wray were in-front of the House today and it was explosive. Highlighs:

“Real work is not done on television,” he said. “Trump administration officials are meeting and talking with your staff every day.” - Rosenstein in response document requests from congress taking a long time


and

"No sir, and there's no way to subpoena phone calls," Rosenstein in response to being accused of subpoenaing House staff phone calls.


The best part was when one of them accused him of threatening house member’s staff. Rosenstein said it didn’t happen and the media reports were wrong. The congress member just got mad and asked why he did it. Rosenstein responded that he was under oath and it didn’t happen. So the congressman repeated the question.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 28 2018 19:21 GMT
#7470
Nothing to see here. The whole investigation is phony, and lacks a valid predicate. We should follow the calls of Republican congressmen to shut it down.

Several billionaires with deep ties to Russia attended exclusive, invitation-only receptions during Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, guest lists obtained by ABC News show.

These powerful businessmen, who amassed their fortunes following the collapse of the Soviet Union -- including one who has since been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department -- were ushered into events typically reserved for top donors and close political allies and were given unprecedented access to Trump’s inner circle.
Their presence has attracted the interest of federal investigators probing Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, three sources with knowledge of the matter said.

Matthew Olsen, a former senior national security official who now serves as an ABC News consultant, said their presence at inaugural events is “very concerning.”

“This reflects a Russian strategy of gaining access to our political leaders at a time when they are just forming a government,” Olsen said. “They don’t need to be spies in the James Bond sense. They are powerful people with significant wealth who are in a position to exert influence on U.S. policy makers. And they’re in a position to report back to Russian intelligence services on what they’re able to learn.”


www.yahoo.com
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23471 Posts
June 28 2018 19:24 GMT
#7471
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23471 Posts
June 28 2018 19:26 GMT
#7472
On June 29 2018 04:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Nothing to see here. The whole investigation is phony, and lacks a valid predicate. We should follow the calls of Republican congressmen to shut it down.

Show nested quote +
Several billionaires with deep ties to Russia attended exclusive, invitation-only receptions during Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, guest lists obtained by ABC News show.

These powerful businessmen, who amassed their fortunes following the collapse of the Soviet Union -- including one who has since been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department -- were ushered into events typically reserved for top donors and close political allies and were given unprecedented access to Trump’s inner circle.
Their presence has attracted the interest of federal investigators probing Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, three sources with knowledge of the matter said.

Matthew Olsen, a former senior national security official who now serves as an ABC News consultant, said their presence at inaugural events is “very concerning.”

“This reflects a Russian strategy of gaining access to our political leaders at a time when they are just forming a government,” Olsen said. “They don’t need to be spies in the James Bond sense. They are powerful people with significant wealth who are in a position to exert influence on U.S. policy makers. And they’re in a position to report back to Russian intelligence services on what they’re able to learn.”


www.yahoo.com


You seem to follow this stuff pretty closely. Can you explain to me the difference between Manafort's failure to register and Podesta's?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 28 2018 19:31 GMT
#7473
Active shooter situation at a newspaper in Maryland. It could be that a civil second amendment person has taken it upon himself to take care of the enemy of the people. We will have to see what his background is.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 19:46:56
June 28 2018 19:46 GMT
#7474
On June 29 2018 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?

There is little wrong with our laws. The problem is that you have zero concept of either the rule of law or even equal protection under the law. This is the single greatest conceit and danger of the far left. You are so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 19:49:47
June 28 2018 19:49 GMT
#7475
On June 29 2018 04:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Nothing to see here. The whole investigation is phony, and lacks a valid predicate. We should follow the calls of Republican congressmen to shut it down.

Several billionaires with deep ties to Russia attended exclusive, invitation-only receptions during Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, guest lists obtained by ABC News show.

These powerful businessmen, who amassed their fortunes following the collapse of the Soviet Union -- including one who has since been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department -- were ushered into events typically reserved for top donors and close political allies and were given unprecedented access to Trump’s inner circle.
Their presence has attracted the interest of federal investigators probing Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, three sources with knowledge of the matter said.

Matthew Olsen, a former senior national security official who now serves as an ABC News consultant, said their presence at inaugural events is “very concerning.”

“This reflects a Russian strategy of gaining access to our political leaders at a time when they are just forming a government,” Olsen said. “They don’t need to be spies in the James Bond sense. They are powerful people with significant wealth who are in a position to exert influence on U.S. policy makers. And they’re in a position to report back to Russian intelligence services on what they’re able to learn.”


www.yahoo.com


You seem to follow this stuff pretty closely. Can you explain to me the difference between Manafort's failure to register and Podesta's?


I would say the FARA part is minor. If Podesta was offering briefings and favors to his Russian billionaire clients while being involved with Hillary’s campaign, and his longtime aide told him in an email the Russian billionaire wanted to make offers that concerned “the future of Russia,” and Podesta then agreed to a meeting, and later received home loans from Companies connected to Ukrainian billionaires involved in business with Russian billionaires that could be forgiven without a public record, theres an issue.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 19:51:27
June 28 2018 19:50 GMT
#7476
On June 29 2018 04:46 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?

There is little wrong with our laws. The problem is that you have zero concept of either the rule of law or even equal protection under the law. This is the single greatest conceit and danger of the far left. You are so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them.


Wait you say the never trumpers are hypocrites and complain that the far left is "so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them".

Bloody hell m8.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 28 2018 19:52 GMT
#7477
On June 29 2018 04:46 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?

There is little wrong with our laws. The problem is that you have zero concept of either the rule of law or even equal protection under the law. This is the single greatest conceit and danger of the far left. You are so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them.

This is extremely generous to say the least. We are always on the quest for a more perfect nation of laws. And don’t peg the all of the left with the sub 100 level civics knowledge that is sometimes on display in this thread.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-28 19:55:26
June 28 2018 19:53 GMT
#7478
On June 29 2018 04:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Nothing to see here. The whole investigation is phony, and lacks a valid predicate. We should follow the calls of Republican congressmen to shut it down.

Several billionaires with deep ties to Russia attended exclusive, invitation-only receptions during Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, guest lists obtained by ABC News show.

These powerful businessmen, who amassed their fortunes following the collapse of the Soviet Union -- including one who has since been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department -- were ushered into events typically reserved for top donors and close political allies and were given unprecedented access to Trump’s inner circle.
Their presence has attracted the interest of federal investigators probing Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, three sources with knowledge of the matter said.

Matthew Olsen, a former senior national security official who now serves as an ABC News consultant, said their presence at inaugural events is “very concerning.”

“This reflects a Russian strategy of gaining access to our political leaders at a time when they are just forming a government,” Olsen said. “They don’t need to be spies in the James Bond sense. They are powerful people with significant wealth who are in a position to exert influence on U.S. policy makers. And they’re in a position to report back to Russian intelligence services on what they’re able to learn.”


www.yahoo.com


You seem to follow this stuff pretty closely. Can you explain to me the difference between Manafort's failure to register and Podesta's?


I would say the FARA part is minor. If Podesta was offering briefings and favors to his Russian billionaire clients while being involved with Hillary’s campaign, and his longtime aide told him in an email the Russian billionaire wanted to make offers that concerned “the future of Russia,” and Podesta then agreed to a meeting, and later received home loans from Companies connected to Ukrainian billionaires involved in business with Russian billionaires that could be forgiven without a public record, theres an issue.


Gotcha. So you genuinely think Podesta wasn't supposed to be a conduit for such activity and that it was just an oversight?

I don't. I think Democrats are just less brash and more skilled at these sorts of activities than Trump's crew. I don't for a second think that Hillary wasn't doing similar things while maintaining "plausible" deniability.

That's at the core of what I think Trump represents. He's the one exposing this is how things always work by not caring if he does it in plain sight without a bunch of bullshit pretext.

On June 29 2018 04:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:46 xDaunt wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?

There is little wrong with our laws. The problem is that you have zero concept of either the rule of law or even equal protection under the law. This is the single greatest conceit and danger of the far left. You are so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them.

This is extremely generous to say the least. We are always on the quest for a more perfect nation of laws. And don’t peg the all of the left with the sub 100 level civics knowledge that is sometimes on display in this thread.


lol Just because I showed how slavery wasn't constitutional despite your guy's protests doesn't mean you should get all sour and claim sub 100 civics knowledge.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 28 2018 20:00 GMT
#7479
On June 29 2018 04:31 Doodsmack wrote:
Active shooter situation at a newspaper in Maryland. It could be that a civil second amendment person has taken it upon himself to take care of the enemy of the people. We will have to see what his background is.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624392089/active-shooter-at-maryland-newspaper

The active shooter was at the Maryland newspaper. The reporters from that paper are the main source of information for the story, reporting live after their co-workers were attacked. Small newspapers are underappreciated in this digital era.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 28 2018 20:25 GMT
#7480
On June 29 2018 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:49 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Nothing to see here. The whole investigation is phony, and lacks a valid predicate. We should follow the calls of Republican congressmen to shut it down.

Several billionaires with deep ties to Russia attended exclusive, invitation-only receptions during Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities, guest lists obtained by ABC News show.

These powerful businessmen, who amassed their fortunes following the collapse of the Soviet Union -- including one who has since been sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department -- were ushered into events typically reserved for top donors and close political allies and were given unprecedented access to Trump’s inner circle.
Their presence has attracted the interest of federal investigators probing Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, three sources with knowledge of the matter said.

Matthew Olsen, a former senior national security official who now serves as an ABC News consultant, said their presence at inaugural events is “very concerning.”

“This reflects a Russian strategy of gaining access to our political leaders at a time when they are just forming a government,” Olsen said. “They don’t need to be spies in the James Bond sense. They are powerful people with significant wealth who are in a position to exert influence on U.S. policy makers. And they’re in a position to report back to Russian intelligence services on what they’re able to learn.”


www.yahoo.com


You seem to follow this stuff pretty closely. Can you explain to me the difference between Manafort's failure to register and Podesta's?


I would say the FARA part is minor. If Podesta was offering briefings and favors to his Russian billionaire clients while being involved with Hillary’s campaign, and his longtime aide told him in an email the Russian billionaire wanted to make offers that concerned “the future of Russia,” and Podesta then agreed to a meeting, and later received home loans from Companies connected to Ukrainian billionaires involved in business with Russian billionaires that could be forgiven without a public record, theres an issue.


Gotcha. So you genuinely think Podesta wasn't supposed to be a conduit for such activity and that it was just an oversight?

I don't. I think Democrats are just less brash and more skilled at these sorts of activities than Trump's crew. I don't for a second think that Hillary wasn't doing similar things while maintaining "plausible" deniability.

That's at the core of what I think Trump represents. He's the one exposing this is how things always work by not caring if he does it in plain sight without a bunch of bullshit pretext.

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 04:52 Plansix wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:46 xDaunt wrote:
On June 29 2018 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol I can't believe anyone even entertained slightly the comparison between Nazi/KKK rallies/politicians to "riots" by oppressed people literally pleading for their lives.

The violence of far right and centrist policy is exponentially worse than anything ever done by anyone connected to "the far left" in the US.

Just remember, according to xDaunt we should use the police to protect armed Nazis calling for genocide, but people blocking immigrant families from being torn apart should be arrested for breaking the law.

Maybe our laws suck?

There is little wrong with our laws. The problem is that you have zero concept of either the rule of law or even equal protection under the law. This is the single greatest conceit and danger of the far left. You are so preoccupied with the ends that you care very little for the means used to achieve them.

This is extremely generous to say the least. We are always on the quest for a more perfect nation of laws. And don’t peg the all of the left with the sub 100 level civics knowledge that is sometimes on display in this thread.


lol Just because I showed how slavery wasn't constitutional despite your guy's protests doesn't mean you should get all sour and claim sub 100 civics knowledge.


Trumps whole selling point was that he is not like the others. But it could be that he and those around him are uniquely greedy. At least for trump himself, the evidence of that is abundant.
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