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On March 02 2022 12:08 Jerubaal wrote:
His speech was composed of the following:
1. Drumbeating on platitudes: Ukraine, Built in America
2. Pretending he was the solution to problems he and his party caused (lockdowns, inflation)
3. Taking credit for things he didn't do: Intel plant, some of them things Trump explicitly did
4. Nonsense distractions like the fake voting suppression and trans violence
User was temp banned for this post.
A bit surprised this is ban worthy even though this guy's opinion is obviously out there.
Wow
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Dude, China gets behind renewables because they realised that an ill population cannot work.
That atrociously polluted rivers destroy our basis for life.
That replacing pollinators with people is stupid, ineffective and expensive.
That renewable energy is cheaper than coal and will make people happier because there is less smoke in their eyes.
The 3rd world, as you name it, doesn't pollute much, their impact is negligible. Though as you don't name which countries you mean, it's difficult to give a succinct statement.
One sentence answers, unless ironic, are seldom a good answer. And reducing China's interest in renewables to export is just wrong.
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I've never been accused of being from North Ireland before. That's a new one.
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On March 02 2022 20:15 NewSunshine wrote:
I've never been accused of being from North Ireland before. That's a new one.
When did that happen?
I have, many times in fact. You do get used to it.
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On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:
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Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents.
You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage.
I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be?
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On March 02 2022 22:11 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 20:15 NewSunshine wrote:
I've never been accused of being from North Ireland before. That's a new one. When did that happen? I have, many times in fact. You do get used to it.
Halfway down last page or so. I dunno, maybe he meant to quote you. Must've been galloping too fast when he was writing.
And I feel your pain. Lol.
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On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:
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You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be?
I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership.
If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/
Here are her comments regarding race.
Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans.
She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable.
I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here.
There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy.
Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good.
EDIT
If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching:
“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention.
Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on.
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She also said the issue of fentanyl abuse was down to Mexican gangs delivering fentanyl for the CCP and that Trudeau is Fidel Castro’s son.
Why on Earth would anyone be remotely charitable to what she says?
She’s not taking some stand to be critical of the white nationalist worldview. There’s a difference between saying race shouldn’t matter, and saying that it doesn’t matter.
It’s pretty easy to say ‘I don’t see colour’ and go back to your program of blaming x non-white group for society’s ills, then reiterate that if people call you on it. It’s transparent bollocks, or breathtakingly naïve.
A crucial component of the white nationalist worldview IS that society is colourblind. Ergo you can do the one-two punch that x group is underperforming through failings that are their own, and we need less of those folks and more people who look like me.
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On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:
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I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Show nested quote +Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: Show nested quote +“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on.
If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right?
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On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right?
I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics.
The proper solution is to beat them in an election.
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On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:
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The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years.
It is the party that ended slavery.
The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party.
The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party.
The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism.
This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics.The proper solution is to beat them in an election.
I don't know if every reprehensible word and action she's taken can be chalked up to simple politics though.
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On March 03 2022 00:55 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election. The proper solution, if your party is not a fan of racism is to beat them in the primary.
There's always going to be a couple districts around the country that produce crazies in congress. Doesn't make the party as a whole racist, nor does the committee vote.
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On March 03 2022 00:55 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election. The proper solution, if your party is not a fan of racism is to beat them in the primary.
Agreed!!!
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On March 03 2022 01:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:
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They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election. The proper solution, if your party is not a fan of racism is to beat them in the primary. There's always going to be a couple districts around the country that produce crazies in congress. Doesn't make the party as a whole racist, nor does the committee vote.
What about when the leader of the party (Trump) is crazy racist and is supported by the majority of Republicans? That's far more significant than just a couple districts. These are tens of millions of Americans who are either explicitly racist, or - at the very least - don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric (to say nothing of the racism from other influential Republicans).
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On March 03 2022 01:00 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:55 JimmiC wrote:On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:
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They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election. The proper solution, if your party is not a fan of racism is to beat them in the primary. There's always going to be a couple districts around the country that produce crazies in congress. Doesn't make the party as a whole racist, nor does the committee vote.
You haven't effectively shown why the committee vote isn't a form of support, so no, you don't get to just declare the committee vote doesn't mean anything. That was republican's opportunity to distance themselves and they chose not to.
I'm being generous here by assuming you actually don't have any idea what is wrong with Greene or how well documented it is.
Prior to her election to Congress last year, Greene expressed support on social media for the assassination of Speaker Nancy Pelosi; agreed with those who said the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., in 2018 was a “false flag” operation; questioned whether a plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11; said President Barack Obama was Muslim; posted a photo of herself on Facebook holding a gun to images of Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib; mused that a space laser aligned with Jewish financial interests caused devastating wildfires in California; and aligned herself with QAnon, a baseless belief about an anti-Trump “deep state” that engages in child sex trafficking and satanism.
https://rollcall.com/2021/02/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-does-not-renounce-past-comments-as-house-moves-to-punish-her/
Greene has also "liked" social media posts that called for executing "deep state" FBI agents, or that advocated removing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with "a bullet to the head." Greene supports QAnon and has said Muslims do not belong in government.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/30/962438098/as-democrats-call-for-marjorie-taylor-greenes-removal-republicans-stay-silent
Earlier you said this was some sort of media outrage machine. Do you still feel that way? Does this change your perspective? Or was this already a part of your analysis?
If you are able to read this and still think she should remain on committees, I can't help you and I won't be bothered by the views you hold. We'll never meet and we'll never impact each other's life. Just some dude out there. I just wanted to give you an opportunity to understand the situation better.
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On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:
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The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years.
It is the party that ended slavery.
The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party.
The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party.
The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism.
This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election.
I don't think I follow what you mean here by 'politics'. For instance, is being a pedophile part of somebody's politics?
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On March 03 2022 01:26 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 00:48 meadbert wrote:On March 03 2022 00:27 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 23:36 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 22:55 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents. You could actually get a good discussion going if you actually addressed the topic at hand, i.e. you've got Republicans in leadership roles that headline white nationalist events. You've chosen instead to engage in whataboutism, i.e. what about democrats? they are the racist ones! So don't be surprised if people don't engage. I personally would like to hear your opinion on what should be done about people that openly court the racist vote today. Do you think that it's okay for a member of a mainstream political party to headline a white nationalist event? What should the consequences be? I have not addressed Marjorie Taylor Greene because I am not a supporter of her and thus I am the wrong person to defend her. As far as defending the rest of the party, I will point out that Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy have all been highly critical of her decision to address that group. Mitch McConnel and Kevin McCarthy are the highest ranking Republicans in congress right now so they are very much leadership. If you wish to read the text of her speech you can find it here: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/when-we-can-end-abortion-our-nation-will-truly-heal-marjorie-taylor-greene/Here are her comments regarding race. Well, I reject identity politics because there’s one thing I know. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is or any of these choices and all of these things that are said, it matters who you are as a person. It matters who you are and your character, and it matters how you treat other people and the type of life you live. And so we have to stand together as Americans. She just boldly told a white nationalist group that their identity politics is wrong. That bit of the speech is commendable. I disagree with a bunch of her speech. I will not rehash it point by point here. There is a question about whether you should give a speech to white nationalists in which you criticize their identity politics. There is potential for both good and bad. The potential for good is that you may convince some of them to abandon their white nationalism and unite around being Americans. The potential for bad is that when a sitting member of congress give a speech to such a group it grants them legitimacy. Like McConnel, McCarthy, Romney, Cheney and the vast majority of Republicans I disapprove of her decision to address that conference. I suspect the whole group is basically funded by the FSB. I think the harms outweigh the good. EDIT If you want to be charitable towards her it is possible that she is attempting to follow in Jesus's teaching: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” If you want to be less charitable, then maybe she just likes attention. Since she is both a Christian and a politician it is likely that a bit of both are going on. If I read between the lines, you're saying that she should be condemned for some of her present and past actions, correct? How do you feel about the fact that most Republicans in Congress stood behind her when they had a chance to condemn this type of behavior? Do you think that was right? I don't believe in removing elected representatives from their committee assignments or kicking them off of social media or kicking them out of congress or jailing them because I disagree with their politics. The proper solution is to beat them in an election. I don't think I follow what you mean here by 'politics'. For instance, is being a pedophile part of somebody's politics?
Criminal convictions would be a good reason for removal.
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