US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3529

On March 02 2022 12:25 Jerubaal wrote:
My simple thesis is that the entire Democrat agenda will enrich the rich and impoverish everyone else. Everything else is a distraction meant to divide us. Make consumer goods more expensive by raising the cost of energy. Suffocate anyone who doesn't go along via ESG scores. The lockdowns were an enormous "transfer of wealth" as they say as tech and big businesses actually benefitted while smaller and local businesses suffered, many of them never to open again.

You don't have to believe that this is a plot or a conspiracy or that even anyone intended for this to happen, but that's what happened and what's happening. In fact, I don't think anyone disagrees that it's happening, some people just think it's good for some reason.

On March 02 2022 12:23 Severedevil wrote:
If it's "our" shit you're shoving, why are you showing your whole ass?

On March 02 2022 12:25 Jerubaal wrote:
My simple thesis is that the entire Democrat agenda will enrich the rich and impoverish everyone else. Everything else is a distraction meant to divide us. Make consumer goods more expensive by raising the cost of energy. Suffocate anyone who doesn't go along via ESG scores. The lockdowns were an enormous "transfer of wealth" as they say as tech and big businesses actually benefitted while smaller and local businesses suffered, many of them never to open again.

You don't have to believe that this is a plot or a conspiracy or that even anyone intended for this to happen, but that's what happened and what's happening. In fact, I don't think anyone disagrees that it's happening, some people just think it's good for some reason.

On March 02 2022 12:44 Jerubaal wrote:


I'm trying to respond with as many concrete examples as I can. Meanwhile, I'm getting responses like this. It's hard being the only person here. You pretty much ran off anyone else (including me to a large extent) who wasn't willing to goose-step your party line. Now you just occasionally get a low post count person who wants to say something provocative and then give the bird.

On March 02 2022 12:16 WombaT wrote:

Are there racists on TL? By the law of averages almost certainly.

If they post racist bile on TL, are they immediately banned? Also yes.

Is TL a racist organisation because it has racists posting under its banner? Well no, because they get banned if they make themselves known.

I assume you see where I’m going with this analogy

On March 02 2022 12:44 Jerubaal wrote:


I'm trying to respond with as many concrete examples as I can. Meanwhile, I'm getting responses like this. It's hard being the only person here. You pretty much ran off anyone else (including me to a large extent) who wasn't willing to goose-step your party line. Now you just occasionally get a low post count person who wants to say something provocative and then give the bird.

@WombaT You know, when I was in my early teens, I always wondered why Democrats always called Republicans racist. There weren't really even racial issues. So Republicans are racist because they don't like affirmative action? To bury the lead some more, you may have heard of something called the Southern Strategy which is a supposed Republican political strategy to win southern states by appealing to white racial animosity, essentially sacrificing black votes to secure white ones. Now there's a lot of debate over whether this really lines up historically or was ever implemented in a meaningful way. But this is an interesting topic because of its converse...it's readily apparent to any observer that racebaiting is part and parcel of the Democrat political messaging. How many examples do I need to bring up? You can see it on this forum. It's so strong that, as many black Americans have attested, there is strong pressure in the black community to not vote Republican lest you be seen as trying to be white. Personally, I think Democrats cynically prey on the situation of black Americans and fetishize them to use as a political shield, but I don't automatically accuse every person who has a Left wing view of this. So please, if you would, show a little grace to someone who is likely just very frustrated.

On March 02 2022 12:52 Sermokala wrote:

I can admit that I'm racist.I know of and are related to a lot of racists.

See guys no one gives a shit. If someone confronts you with "dude that's racist" just don't double down on it and try to examine what you did and what you could do better. Its not difficult, you don't need to define yourself by "I'm not racist" and ruin any other part of your thoughts and feelings that makes you a human being. Having flaws as a person is normal and accepted, so long as you can accept that they are flaws.

On March 02 2022 12:34 Starlightsun wrote:
And what agenda do Republicans have to combat climate change?

On March 02 2022 12:43 NewSunshine wrote:
Yeah, no shit the Democrats will look for ways to enrich themselves via mechanisms that favor the rich, and distract the poor so they can't pay attention. Because with a few exceptions in the political sphere, they're all fucking doing it. The upper class definitely.

The thing that disappoints me is that Republicans lauded Trump as he dragged their dirty laundry into the public sphere, and "told it like it is" by telling you exactly how he was swindling taxpayers as he did it, and then act like this is a phenomenon particular to Democrats. You owe yourself better.

On March 02 2022 12:49 JimmiC wrote:
To believe what you do, you almost have to believe that Covid is fake, or is not worse than the flu. And when you believe something that wrong the rest of assumptions that tie to it also are extremely wrong. This is why "alternative facts" are so bad, because they are not that, they are lies.

On March 02 2022 13:42 Jerubaal wrote:
What you're really saying is "my ideological schema makes your facts irrelevant."

On March 02 2022 14:04 KwarK wrote:

Your “facts” aren’t facts. It’s a massive gish gallop of nonsense that leaps from bad claim to bad claim to put the onus on the readers to go through and fact check it line by line. Nobody can really be bothered to do that but that doesn’t mean you’re right, it means you’re too bad at debate to be worth responding to.

To take just one of your bad arguments in isolation, you slap 2018 economic growth (undefined, we talking GDP, SP500, Dow, what?), unemployment and tax cuts together. And yet the tax cut bill you’re referring to didn’t impact taxes filed in 2018, it impacted taxes filed in 2019 for tax year 2018. Furthermore government spending went up. Keynesians advocate for juicing the economy with demand stimulus through tax and spend. Libertarians typically advocate for growth through low taxation. What the Republicans did was large scale borrowing to fund tax cuts and spend, artificially inflating the economy by putting more money in the hands of both consumers and the government. This was not a success of conservative policy but rather populist policy. The “why can’t we have both high taxes and high government spending” of a man who bankrupted multiple casinos.

But it took me far longer to respond that it did for you to make the bad argument and that is why people just dismiss you out of hand when you make a gish gallop. It’s not that your arguments are good, it’s that they are so obviously bad that nobody can be bothered to engage you.

On March 02 2022 14:08 JimmiC wrote:

Nope, there is nothing ideological about facts. They either are or they are not. You can then have alternative theories on the whys, hows and so on. But facts are facts, once you start believe there can be two facts you can be told just about anything. Actual conservatives are even trying to tell you this but the populism is too engrained in many.

See when those emails came out about those heads of virology deciding to say there was zero chance of the lab leak happening because it was not important at that time and the important part was doing the right things to contain the virus, not place blame and so on. People like me did not pretend it did not happen, we did call it a right wing conspiracy, we read about it and formed our opinions based on what the emails said and the reasoning, because it did happen. We took that and a whole bunch of other facts and formed an opinion. What you do, and so many with these believes is just disregard the facts you don't like and accept the ones you do as truth, regardless if it even makes sense let alone is provable.