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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On February 24 2022 17:19 Zambrah wrote: When does a response happen though because I don’t see him stopping over sanctions, either Ukraine pushes Russia back militarily or Russia eats every former USSR state it can get to, when do foreign powers decided enough territory taken is enough and get involved militarily, if Putin just gets Ukraine without any foreign military pushback he’s basically being told he can have whatever state isn’t in already in NATO The key issue is Russia is willing to go to war and the US is not. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 24 2022 16:59 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't think Putin wants a full scale war with the west. I think he's going to push at the boundary until it looks like a response is going to happen and then stop and claim victimhood. edit: Also nice to see Trump hailing Putin as a 'genius' for his war on Ukraine. Yeah and most people didn't think he'd attack. Putin proved himself an aggressor and we should treat him as such. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9845 Posts
On February 24 2022 18:14 Erasme wrote: Yeah and most people didn't think he'd attack. Putin proved himself an aggressor and we should treat him as such. Of course he's the aggressor. I just don't think he wants all out war with the West. The reason he invaded Ukraine is because its obvious there would be no military response. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 24 2022 18:15 Jockmcplop wrote: Of course he's the aggressor. I just don't think he wants all out war with the West. The reason he invaded Ukraine is because its obvious there would be no military response. So why wouldn't he go for the next one if we don't stop him now ? Are you just hopeful that the dude who just invaded a country will not invade another one if we let him ? Good grief. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9845 Posts
On February 24 2022 18:23 Erasme wrote: So why wouldn't he go for the next one if we don't stop him now ? Are you just hopeful that the dude who just invaded a country will not invade another one if we let him ? Good grief. You seem to be assuming alot about what i think. I didn't say he wouldn't 'go for the next one'. I said he won't do something that will cause all out war with the west. The reason he keeps attacking, if he does, is that the west won't respond. If it becomes clear that the west will respond or go to war, he will stop, probably (hopefully). In fact, if you actually bothered to read the post i made that you quoted, i said he will keep pushing the boundaries. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Theres almost certainly a line in the sand where the US and EU will go, "aight thats enough of that," but my concern is where that line is and what happens to those on the other side of that line before it gets crossed, and how seeing where that line is emboldens others. I'm afraid if that line is too far out its something akin to Hitler's Germany all over again, and given the state of the world ceding to strongman fascist regimes in almost any way makes me nervous. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26779 Posts
Rather worrying if these claims are even remotely true. I do tend to dismiss conservative fears in this domain, but not because I don’t think the power the big social companies have is huge in scope and basically limited by their own proclivities. Obviously with Ukraine being the main story and extremely depressing, but spotted this on my travels anyway. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 24 2022 18:24 Jockmcplop wrote: You seem to be assuming alot about what i think. I didn't say he wouldn't 'go for the next one'. I said he won't do something that will cause all out war with the west. The reason he keeps attacking, if he does, is that the west won't respond. If it becomes clear that the west will respond or go to war, he will stop, probably (hopefully). In fact, if you actually bothered to read the post i made that you quoted, i said he will keep pushing the boundaries. I think you were quite clear in your opinions. I think he's going to push at the boundary until it looks like a response is going to happen and then stop and claim victimhood. I just don't think he wants all out war with the West. The reason he invaded Ukraine is because its obvious there would be no military response You seem to be the one assuming anything about Putin. He's currently the aggressor, we don't know where and if he's going to stop. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9845 Posts
On February 24 2022 20:17 Erasme wrote: I think you were quite clear in your opinions. You seem to be the one assuming anything about Putin. He's currently the aggressor, we don't know where and if he's going to stop. Yes, its pretty clear what my opinion is. As long as we don't respond, Putin will keep pushing at the boundaries. Seems pretty similar to what you are saying tbh, so i don't know why you are obnoxiously trying to argue about it. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria843 Posts
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria843 Posts
On February 24 2022 20:52 Oukka wrote: That would change NATO's purpose in a way that I don't see NATO willing to go. Article 5 is about attack against one of the NATO members being an attack against all of them, i.e. an insurance. Extending that beyond members seems unlikely and acts of war on behalf of a non-member would be much easier to paint as aggression rather than defensive. Yes, what you say is correct but I think it's one of reasons Russia invaded Ukraine because it was announced initially that there would be no military involvement. Other extreme, full-scale nuclear war is also absolutely undesirable, so it's a tough situation for sure. I won't even pretend I have a good suggestion. On another topic, despite Russia's invasion, it seems from media coverage that Ukrainians don't like Russians that much during those last few years. I can't see how Russia would get a new, Russian-friendly Ukraine after this unless they install a puppet in Ukrainian government. Maybe that's their plan, but if we consider that locals don't like them, then they'll have to resort to repressions (a.k.a Soviet/Stalin style). All of this is disgusting to imagine... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22353 Posts
On February 24 2022 21:01 SC-Shield wrote: Isn't brutal repression exactly what Russia has been doing to other 'rebellious' regions? The West did nothing about that, I don't see why Ukraine will be different. Literally beat a people into submission, and if they resist he has an excuse to beat them harder. Yes, what you say is correct but I think it's one of reasons Russia invaded Ukraine because it was announced initially that there would be no military involvement. Other extreme, full-scale nuclear war is also absolutely undesirable, so it's a tough situation for sure. I won't even pretend I have a good suggestion. On another topic, despite Russia's invasion, it seems from media coverage that Ukrainians don't like Russians that much during those last few years. I can't see how Russia would get a new, Russian-friendly Ukraine after this unless they install a puppet in Ukrainian government. Maybe that's their plan, but if we consider that locals don't like them, then they'll have to resort to repressions (a.k.a Soviet/Stalin style). All of this is disgusting to imagine... Controlling a population becomes a lot easier when you don't believe in human rights or rules of engagement. And yes that is disgusting to consider. But it is what the West agreed to when 'we' chose to abandon Ukraine. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria843 Posts
Niemöller First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Dedicated to social apathy in social media especially. | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On February 24 2022 22:41 JimmiC wrote: All this mocking of Bidens warnings on this thread mostly by our conservative posters is aging extremely poorly. Pwning the libs while being completely wrong is Trumps MO but I guess just the way of the future. Trump loving talk about what a genius Putin is and great strategist should age poorly. But of couse people are so deep in the cult of Trump they will either pretend it didnt happen or be trying to join or copy him soon. Edit: here is the quotes During a live interview with The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show, a syndicated conservative talk radio show, Trump called the move by Putin "genius" and "smart." The question is this the final straw? Or do we start seeing MARA (make america russian Asap) and USR (united states of Russia) hats emerge? Putin does like to pwn libs. God, I hate that man. This isn't even a genius war plan for when you're playing Civilization. "Oh, yeah, my forces are just passing through." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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