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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On February 23 2022 11:27 plasmidghost wrote: It's depressing but not surprising seeing American reactions to Ukraine. Ukraine and perhaps all of Europe was forced onto a very dangerous path and barely anyone here knows or cares. I wonder if this was what it was like in the US in 1938 I don't think it's all that bad. US has been meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine for a while now, we can handle a little pushback. Recall when the US pushed back on Russia meddling in Cuba by trying to assassinate the leader of Cuba. This is how major powers act. Bottom line is that Biden is right not to respond militarily. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 23 2022 22:21 Doc.Rivers wrote: I don't think it's all that bad. US has been meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine for a while now, we can handle a little pushback. Recall when the US pushed back on Russia meddling in Cuba by trying to assassinate the leader of Cuba. This is how major powers act. Bottom line is that Biden is right not to respond militarily. So this is like the "locker room talk" of major powers. Grab Ukraine by the pussy, Russia! \s | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25396 Posts
On February 24 2022 00:20 JimmiC wrote: American right is all over the map on this one. You have Tucker saying we should like Putin because he never called them racists (did Ukraine?), Trump having his love fest, you have another fox commentator saying Trump is Trolling Putin with fake love, and then you others talking war and major sanctions. Maybe they are trying to have every opinion so that they can play whatever clip? It is really odd. You think something this blatant you could get a little agreement. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/graham-mcconnell-condemn-putins-ukraine-103117193.html https://ca.yahoo.com/news/jen-psaki-slams-trump-calling-064135922.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-031422401.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall https://ca.news.yahoo.com/stephen-colbert-shreds-tucker-carlson-080323780.html I’m unsure why elements of the right demand to be taken seriously and act like it's everyone else's failure in values to not extend the courtesy. On what grounds? Not even talking vociferous spirited disagreement, but respecting their views as serious propositions worthy of entertaining. They’re so wildly inconsistent that it’s fruitless to engage with. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
On February 24 2022 00:20 JimmiC wrote: The Right traditionally has no love for Russia, to put it mildly. But then Russia helped Trump win the election and 'glorious leader' was praising them so they had to about face and like Russia.American right is all over the map on this one. You have Tucker saying we should like Putin because he never called them racists (did Ukraine?), Trump having his love fest, you have another fox commentator saying Trump is Trolling Putin with fake love, and then you others talking war and major sanctions. Maybe they are trying to have every opinion so that they can play whatever clip? It is really odd. You think something this blatant you could get a little agreement. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/graham-mcconnell-condemn-putins-ukraine-103117193.html https://ca.yahoo.com/news/jen-psaki-slams-trump-calling-064135922.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-031422401.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall https://ca.news.yahoo.com/stephen-colbert-shreds-tucker-carlson-080323780.html The right seems, and is, all over the place on this because Trump loving Putin and the traditional distrust of Russia and a literal call back to the Cold War with Putin wanting to reclaim the glory of the USSR are clashing. And while I'm in some fashion these groups all talk to each other things are probably moving fast enough to can't get all their ducks in a row to seem unified in their response. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On February 24 2022 00:57 Gorsameth wrote: And while I'm in some fashion these groups all talk to each other things are probably moving fast enough to can't get all their ducks in a row to seem unified in their response. Different people have different opinions, as it turns out. I'm not sure that it's notable to find different people on Fox saying things that are not in agreement. There are reasonable grounds for disagreement. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On February 24 2022 02:32 Doc.Rivers wrote: Different people have different opinions, as it turns out. I'm not sure that it's notable to find different people on Fox saying things that are not in agreement. There are reasonable grounds for disagreement. Large swaths of the political spectrum not spouting the same talking points and the same canned routines is now a bad thing | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On February 24 2022 03:00 JimmiC wrote: You think its reasonable that Trump can both be "trolling" with his love of Putin and not? They are the opposite. Does he love him and think putin is right in what he doing or not? I take it that it is not the same person saying both that Trump is trolling and Trump is not trolling. If it was the same person, that would certainly be a self contradiction. If it is two different people, what's the issue? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
On February 24 2022 02:44 zeo wrote: Who said it was a bad thing? that's your strawman.Large swaths of the political spectrum not spouting the same talking points and the same canned routines is now a bad thing The Republicans tend to present a unified view to the rest of the world. To the point where they have censored multiple members for expressing a view counter to the 'official' line. Having a publicly contradictory set of positions on the current Ukraine invasion is a noteworthy thing to point out. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On February 24 2022 04:08 JimmiC wrote: The issues is voters should know if Trump specifically, and the Republicans support Putins expansionism or not. It is a pretty keystone issue. When you start adding "trolling" to the mix, basically he and they can say just kidding at any point. How do you trust anything they say? And also there are pages and pages of Trump quotes saying the opposite things. And as pointed oit above, having a different veiw on say Jan 6th gets you censured. This should be a real easy one. You might disagree on exactly what action. But whether its OK or not is simple. Well, now the voters know that the more traditional Republicans are adamantly against it, while others are willing to acknowledge that Russia is basically acting like the US does on the world stage. On this and basically all other issues, there are varying opinions within the party, and the public knows that. As it turns out, only about a third of voters see russia's actions in Ukraine as a serious issue. 33% of dems and 23% of Republicans. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
Prosecutors Leading Trump Fraud Investigation in NY Resign https://nyti.ms/3HewK1b The two prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his business practices abruptly resigned on Wednesday amid a monthlong pause in their presentation of evidence to a grand jury, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The stunning development comes not long after the high-stakes inquiry appeared to be gaining momentum, and throws its future into serious doubt. The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations after the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21691 Posts
On February 24 2022 08:18 Doc.Rivers wrote: You see an overhyped investigation, others see a DA trying to protect Trump and prosecutors resigning in protest.Some interesting news about the NY state investigation into trump here. I suspected the media had overly hyped the case (almost goes without saying). Wonder if there will be any public statements from the departed prosecutors. Prosecutors Leading Trump Fraud Investigation in NY Resign https://nyti.ms/3HewK1b You know, the whole 'the rich don't get punished for breaking the law'. I find it hard to believe there is no evidence of tax fraud when his accounting firm just retracted a decades worth of financial statements. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On February 24 2022 08:07 Doc.Rivers wrote: Well, now the voters know that the more traditional Republicans are adamantly against it, while others are willing to acknowledge that Russia is basically acting like the US does on the world stage. On this and basically all other issues, there are varying opinions within the party, and the public knows that. As it turns out, only about a third of voters see russia's actions in Ukraine as a serious issue. 33% of dems and 23% of Republicans. How much do people have to huff the whataboutism fumes to believe that Russia's actions in Ukraine are "basically acting like the US does on the world stage"? The US did and still does lots of shitty and abhorrent things when it comes to foreign policy, but in the 21st century the invasion of Iraq and drone strikes are not geopolitically comparable to Russia's invasion and annexation of Crimea and current operations to seize more territory from Ukraine by fomenting separatists and "recognizing their independence." | ||
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Husyelt
United States832 Posts
On February 24 2022 08:51 TheTenthDoc wrote: How much do people have to huff the whataboutism fumes to believe that Russia's actions in Ukraine are "basically acting like the US does on the world stage"? The US did and still does lots of shitty and abhorrent things when it comes to foreign policy, but in the 21st century the invasion of Iraq and drone strikes are not geopolitically comparable to Russia's invasion and annexation of Crimea and current operations to seize more territory from Ukraine by fomenting separatists and "recognizing their independence." To be fair, we abandoned Afghanistan, and the Kurds in horrific fashion. We don't have much moral highground here. And the whole torture thing. | ||
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