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gobbledydook
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StorrZerg
United States13921 Posts
And maybe the severity of them. I keep getting "trump had toughest sanctions on russia" but im just a bit lost when trying to figure out what everything is. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14208 Posts
On February 26 2022 07:15 gobbledydook wrote: Sanctions never stopped a dictator. I don't have much hope for Ukraine. I disagree, They just aren't as popular to talk about as others. Rhodesia was successfully sanctioned into ending. South Africa was sanctioned into ending apartheid | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46425 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On February 26 2022 14:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: SCJ nominee has been chosen: "Biden nominates Ketanji Brown Jackson to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court" https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/politics/supreme-court-ketanji-brown-jackson/index.html Looking at her history, she seems highly qualified and doesn't have much controversed rulings. Republicans will obviously contest it, but it shouldn't be that hard of a pill to swallow. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
We will be monitoring this thread very closely so please think very carefully before you post. | ||
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JimmiC
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46425 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:18 JimmiC wrote: There needs to a lot more of calling out these pariah's like Greene and Gaetz for their open embracing of the White nationalist conferences and movements. It is pretty hard to claim you are not a racist party when some of your most public members openly embrace it. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/morons-mitt-romney-goes-marjorie-191936672.html Every time this gets called out, Republicans just hide behind the mantra that it's no big deal and that calling this out is engaging in evil identity politics. Unfortunately, too many Republicans simply don't care that some of their leaders engage in white supremacy. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:18 JimmiC wrote: There needs to a lot more of calling out these pariah's like Greene and Gaetz for their open embracing of the White nationalist conferences and movements. It is pretty hard to claim you are not a racist party when some of your most public members openly embrace it. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/morons-mitt-romney-goes-marjorie-191936672.html It's quite a generalization to go from Greene and Gaetz to calling the Republican party as a whole racist. They are only the "most public" members because the dem-allied media intentionally elevates them. It's a tried and true tactic by the media - they used to do it with people like Michele Bachman etc. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 01 2022 12:30 Doc.Rivers wrote: It's quite a generalization to go from Greene and Gaetz to calling the Republican party as a whole racist. They are only the "most public" members because the dem-allied media intentionally elevates them. It's a tried and true tactic by the media - they used to do it with people like Michele Bachman etc. The House voted 230-199 on Thursday to remove Georgia Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene from her committee assignments. Greene had earlier attempted on the floor to distance herself from previous violent and outlandish comments without renouncing them, while also claiming Democrats were out to “crucify” her for speaking her mind. No Democrat voted against the resolution to expel Greene from House committees. Eleven Republicans broke ranks to support the measure’s adoption: Young Kim of California; Mario Diaz-Balart, Carlos Gimenez and Maria Elvira Salazar of Florida; Adam Kinzinger of Illinois; Fred Upton of Michigan; Christopher H. Smith of New Jersey; Chris Jacobs, John Katko and Nicole Malliotakis of New York; and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania. 11 districts elect representatives which speak against racism. The other 199 districts did not. It is nonsense to pull this "NOT 100% OF THEM, YOU BUTT HEAD" stuff when we have votes on record regarding "Greene: Good or bad?" . The overwhelming majority of representatives supported Greene. | ||
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JimmiC
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Doc.Rivers
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As for the committee vote, I don’t think that makes the Republican party a racist party. Voting against removing Greene from committees is not the same as voting to endorse racism and anti-semitism. There are other considerations at play. | ||
micronesia
United States24799 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote: What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote: Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote: You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. As stated in my previous post, the differences between the 11 republicans who voted against Greene and the other 199 are (1) an acknowledgement that saying Israel has space lasers is not more bigoted than accepted discourse concerning Israel, and therefore not deserving of unusual punishment, (2) internal party politics, and (3) an unwillingness to capitulate to the overzealous dem media outrage machine (thereby encouraging that machine to go even further). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote: I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. As stated in my previous post, the differences between the 11 republicans who voted against Greene and the other 199 are (1) an acknowledgement that saying Israel has space lasers is not more bigoted than accepted discourse concerning Israel, and therefore not deserving of unusual punishment, (2) internal party politics, and (3) an unwillingness to capitulate to the overzealous dem media outrage machine (thereby encouraging that machine to go even further). Just to clarify, you are saying you think 11 republicans voted because of Israeli space lasers? You are saying you think that is what Dems has a problem with? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2939 Posts
On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote: I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. As stated in my previous post, the differences between the 11 republicans who voted against Greene and the other 199 are (1) an acknowledgement that saying Israel has space lasers is not more bigoted than accepted discourse concerning Israel, and therefore not deserving of unusual punishment, (2) internal party politics, and (3) an unwillingness to capitulate to the overzealous dem media outrage machine (thereby encouraging that machine to go even further). Mohdoo's aggressive post aside, this situation has, in my mind, the same feel as Trump's 'proud boys stand by' comment. It was an easy win -- just denounce the racists. The fact that they didn't (and he didn't) tells you quite a bit about the current standing of the Republican party. | ||
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