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United States42693 Posts
On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party.
I mean it obviously is but okay.
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Northern Ireland25344 Posts
On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine.
Israel does have considerable influence over US politics by those mechanisms. Depending on how one expresses this, it can be a neutral observation of basic reality or deeply anti-Semitic.
Saying things like Israel has space lasers is adjacent, if not directly part of the innumerable, baseless conspiracy theories that Jews secretly control the world.
There are two audiences that respond to dog whistles, the intended audience and the audience that makes it its business to recognise dog whistles for what they are. This thread contains a fair few of the latter category, I’d like to consider myself to have a pretty decent radar for it.
Best case scenario the GOP is a fragile coalition whose political success depends on courting pretty overt racists, while the main body isn’t especially racist.
And that’s the absolute best case reading, not one I personally subscribe to.
When a Liz Cheney receives more censure for the controversial opinion that investigating January 6th is a prudent course of action than Taylor-Greene gets for saying Jews have space lasers, I think it’s a pretty clear indictment on where the party is at currently.
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On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party.
Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?"
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On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?"
The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years.
It is the party that ended slavery.
The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party.
The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party.
The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism.
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On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism.
This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl.
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United States42693 Posts
On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl.
They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble.
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On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl.
It is all 100% true. The Republican party has been consistently against race based discrimination. The Democratic party simply switched who they discriminated against. Democrats switched from discriminating against African Americans to discriminating in favor of them.
If you believe that the Democratic party stopped being racist and amoral around 1964 then consider why Asian Americans are discriminated against in college admissions. Please defend your party. Please explain why this blatantly racism policy is okay this time. Why is it that always throughout history the Democratic party has always been in favor of discriminating against one race or another?
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On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" Why is it okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions? \ The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble.
Why is it okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions?
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On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble.
Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling.
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On March 02 2022 05:19 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. It is all 100% true. The Republican party has been consistently against race based discrimination. The Democratic party simply switched who they discriminated against. Democrats switched from discriminating against African Americans to discriminating in favor of them. If you believe that the Democratic party stopped being racist and amoral around 1964 then consider why Asian Americans are discriminated against in college admissions. Please defend your party. Please explain why this blatantly racism policy is okay this time. Why is it that always throughout history the Democratic party has always been in favor of discriminating against one race or another?
I honestly don't have the energy to give you a history lesson on both parties with regards to Black Americans. If you cannot see the difference from slavery to today, then there is no hope. Asians are a convenient out for Rs to use to shift their racist policies to the Black American communities so that they seem less racist than they really are. But hold no false presumptions, if the Rs could be racist to everyone (and hint; THEY FUCKING ARE), then we wouldn't be having semantic debates on true intents based on words.
As it stands, as of this day, Rs are more racist and discriminatory towards minority groups than Ds. If you can explain the racial implications of the voting laws Rs are passing in a convincing manner, I'll retract every word.
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On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling.
Which part is stupid?
Did the Democratic party enforce slavery?
Did the Democratic party enforce Jim Crow?
Does the Democratic party currently discriminate against Asian Americans during college admissions?
Do you believe they should be discriminated against? If so why?
This whole discussion began because Democrats called Republicans racist. I am asking you to either defend your racism, or if you think it is wrong apologize for it.
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United States42693 Posts
On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling.
It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them.
It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith.
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On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?"
The goal post shouldn't be that far back to call something racist either. We're indulging this No True Scotsman nonsense with way more effort than was put into it.
Also the whole framing of Asian Americans by Republicans as the "model minority" is problematic as fuck and should set off every alarm bell you've got.
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United States42693 Posts
On March 02 2022 05:25 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. Which part is stupid? Did the Democratic party enforce slavery? Did the Democratic party enforce Jim Crow? Does the Democratic party currently discriminate against Asian Americans during college admissions? Do you believe they should be discriminated against? If so why? This whole discussion began because Democrats called Republicans racist. I am asking you to either defend your racism, or if you think it is wrong apologize for it.
This isn’t how a smart person argues friend. This is a series of TurningPointUSA gotchas turned into post by way of a YouTube comment section. You’re not going to be treated seriously unless you make more of an attempt to be serious.
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On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith.
I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so.
I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents.
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On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:19 micronesia wrote:
What would be some reasons not to vote to remove members from committees for making racists and antisemitic statements (other than endorsing racism ant antisemitism)? Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism.
It seems you’ve got a bit of history, but your history stopped sometime before the 60s. In the 60s, the Southern Strategy happened. Essentially, the Democrats abandoned their Dixiecrat portion (the racist part of the Democrat party) and in turn, the Republicans absorbed the Dixiecrats. As the Republicans embraced the racists, there was a massive shift of black voters out of the Republican Party and into the Democrats.
I don’t like racial criteria in college admissions either, but I recognize a portion of the Democrats is trying to use it to right a past wrong. As in sports, I think “make-up calls” are wrong and the best path forward is a colorblind approach moving forward.
However, I have no delusion that the Democrats are the more racist party. Since the 60s, the Republicans have and continue to embrace racists. They continue to pass policies that negatively target black people. Sometimes their reasoning is quite openly racist. Other times they’re quiet about their motives for passing laws that negatively target black people.
I don’t find the Democrats perfect, but I typically vote for them because they are clearly the lesser evil on things like race. They’re sometimes misguided on racial policies, but even that comes from a place of wanting to right past wrongs.
When it comes to Republicans, they’re pretty repugnant. The one redeeming quality is a stated desire for limited government; however, they always seem to increase government control when they’re in charge and even openly support someone who tried to become a dictator. Hell no.
Check your history after the 1950s.
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United States42693 Posts
On March 02 2022 05:31 meadbert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2022 05:27 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:15 KwarK wrote:On March 02 2022 05:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On March 02 2022 05:06 meadbert wrote:On March 02 2022 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 01 2022 14:45 Doc.Rivers wrote:On March 01 2022 13:54 Mohdoo wrote:On March 01 2022 13:52 Doc.Rivers wrote:
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Aat the time I'm not sure that it was quite as clear cut that racism and antisemitism were at issue. IIRC it was more like, Greene said that Israel has space lasers. I'm not sure that that's any more anti Semitic than saying that Israel's lobbyists have control over US politics through their money, power and influence. But aside from that, there are issues at play like internal party politics and not capitulation to the overzealous dem media outrage machine. You didn't actually say anything here. What do you think separated the 11 republicans who voted against Greene from the other 199? This feels like the weirdest, slimiest deflection. I will of course refrain from responding in kind to the statements that I'm posting "nonsense," I'm being "awful," I'm being "weird," and I'm being "slimy." All I'm saying is that the republican party is not a racist party. Would you accept the statement "The Republican party is the party containing a disproportionately high number of racist leaders, racist constituents, and racist beliefs?" The Republican party is not the party that promoted slavery for 80 years. It is the party that ended slavery. The Republican party is not the party that promoted Jim Crow laws and segregation for 90 years. That party was the Democratic party. The Republican party is not the party that currently discriminates against Americans of Asian ancestry because of their race in college admissions. That party is the Democratic party. The Democratic party currently has more racists than the Republican party. If you believe in discriminating against Asians in college admissions, then you are a racist and I am calling out your racism. This is a troll right? This has to be a troll. All of this is just...asinine to the nth lvl. They live in a bubble and repeat these gotchas to each other. I think they genuinely don’t know that they won’t be taken seriously when they use them outside their bubble. Even still, that first...whatever the hell you want to call it, should have set off some kind of alarm. I'm not a fan of bubbles/echo chambers and welcome differing opinions, but just blatant stupid should not be suffered. This isn't reddit and TL mods shouldn't allow such stupid. At the very least, some kind of warning or anything should be levied. For the shit xdaunt and danglars espoused, at least they have some kind of original thought structure. This is just...pathetic trolling. It’s hard to tell the difference between someone who deliberately argues in bad faith and someone who repeats bad faith arguments in good faith because they lack the skills to critically assess them. It took ages to reach consensus that xDaunt was deliberately posting in bad faith for example. While the arguments he’s making are obviously bad faith arguments beneath any real consideration that doesn’t mean that he is making them in bad faith. I am not posting in bad faith. I took offense to the claim that my party is racist, while it is the opposing party that has both historical practiced racism and continues to do so. I am all ears if anyone would like to explain why it is okay to discriminate against Asian Americans in college admissions. The fact that no one has engaged the issue makes me suspect that you all are ashamed of your party and hoping someone else does the dirty work of defending the blatant racism that affirmative action represents.
People claim your party is racist because of all the racism. The Democrats and Asians have nothing to do with that.
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This argument just reads like a Twitch copypasta at this point...
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