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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 16:04:29
June 26 2018 16:03 GMT
#7021
On June 27 2018 00:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 00:49 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, Dauntless, I do not share this “conservative”(though I know several conservatives who would us stronger language to describe it) viewpoint that the president can say whatever he wants about his plans so long as the language on the page is good. The executive branch is responsible for enforcement these laws and executive orders. Both matter and what he says is relevant in the case. Otherwise we set up a scenario when the President can claim to be removing due process from deportation cases and then come up with a legal justification after the fact for why Judges are not necessary to safeguard civil liberties.


Yeah, by your logic we should invalidate the Civil Rights Act because Lyndon Johnson said racist things. Please.

The civil rights act was passed by congress and didn’t invoke the vague specter of National Security as a justification. This is an executive order created by a president who openly advocated for a Muslim ban. His lawyers were on TV saying the president told them to make a legal Muslim ban. This is not a vague racist statement said with no relationship to the legislation at hand, but a clear statement of intent through tortured legal reasoning. It would be a malpractices of justice of the court threw that out.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 26 2018 16:05 GMT
#7022
On June 26 2018 23:20 Introvert wrote:
Travel ban upheld, though only 5-4 at first look. Still, they retain some small amount of self-respect, and I thought they might.

edit:so far this term, those who voted for Trump for the judges have been rewarded. I should acknowledge that as someone who didnt think that would be the case

edit:korematsu comparisons still going strong. absurd.

Also crisis pregnancy centers in California aren’t forced to advertise abortion services in their clinics. 5-4. Good double whammy today. It preserves the cause of separation of powers and freedom.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 16:12:41
June 26 2018 16:06 GMT
#7023
intent matters in the law, i mean that's how we differentiate between different degrees of murder.

i think it's likely CA rewrites the laws/ implements policies to make it clear that crisis pregnancy centers are... call it, one of several options for dealing with unexpected pregnancy. the SCOTUS ruling is sufficiently narrow to allow for alternative state-level mechanisms. SCOTUS ruled on a free speech issue (in a way that i'll buy, though i'd disagree) and i think there's very reasonable and compelling ways to make legislation that makes the underlying situation not a free speech issue.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2018 16:12 GMT
#7024
To be clear, I am ok with the court taking a strict line with not involving the president's statements when it comes to an injunction on an executive order. But if they adopt that same stance when hearing the full travel ban, it will be a complete act of judicial cowardice by setting up an uncomfortable relationship between the language of the order and known intent of the executive.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
June 26 2018 16:14 GMT
#7025
On June 27 2018 00:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 00:49 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, Dauntless, I do not share this “conservative”(though I know several conservatives who would us stronger language to describe it) viewpoint that the president can say whatever he wants about his plans so long as the language on the page is good. The executive branch is responsible for enforcement these laws and executive orders. Both matter and what he says is relevant in the case. Otherwise we set up a scenario when the President can claim to be removing due process from deportation cases and then come up with a legal justification after the fact for why Judges are not necessary to safeguard civil liberties.


Yeah, by your logic we should invalidate the Civil Rights Act because Lyndon Johnson said racist things. Please.

That's a poor ad absurdum. With religious discrimination, it's a very important distinction whether a law incidentally discriminates or if it discriminates by design. That distinction depends mostly on intention. It's ridiculous to think the arguments made for a policy when enacting it are irrelevant to the intentions behind the law. If the state legislature had said on the record "let's ban peyote to fuck with Native Anericans' rituals" the case would presumably have come out differently.

What's most ridiculous in all this though is that the administration is getting credited with a huge "win" just for narrowly, controversially crafting a policy that isn't a violation of the constitution. It's still an atrocious policy, prejudiced in its conception and incompetent in its execution. In January of 2017, its proponents were arguing they had to act immediately, without warning, so the bad guys wouldn't have a chance to rush in before it was enacted. By their own reasoning, then, what's even the point now? The boogeymen have had more than a year to find a way in by now anyway.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 26 2018 16:17 GMT
#7026
Another masterpiece of foreign politics just came out of the white house, apparently.

The USA demands that every country in the world immediately stops buying iranian oil. If they don't, they'll be sanctioned by the 4th of november.

Starting to root for russia and china here, because at this point, their foreign policies are less hostile than those of an alleged/former ally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/oil-buyers-must-cut-all-iranian-crude-imports-by-november-state-dept-.html

Remember, that's for a deal where the rest of the participants already are not on the same page as the USA.
On track to MA1950A.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22454 Posts
June 26 2018 16:20 GMT
#7027
On June 27 2018 01:17 m4ini wrote:
Another masterpiece of foreign politics just came out of the white house, apparently.

The USA demands that every country in the world immediately stops buying iranian oil. If they don't, they'll be sanctioned by the 4th of november.

Starting to root for russia and china here, because at this point, their foreign policies are less hostile than those of an alleged/former ally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/oil-buyers-must-cut-all-iranian-crude-imports-by-november-state-dept-.html

Remember, that's for a deal where the rest of the participants already are not on the same page as the USA.

I fully expect the world (EU, Russia, China) to tell him to fuck off.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2018 16:24 GMT
#7028
On June 27 2018 01:20 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 01:17 m4ini wrote:
Another masterpiece of foreign politics just came out of the white house, apparently.

The USA demands that every country in the world immediately stops buying iranian oil. If they don't, they'll be sanctioned by the 4th of november.

Starting to root for russia and china here, because at this point, their foreign policies are less hostile than those of an alleged/former ally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/oil-buyers-must-cut-all-iranian-crude-imports-by-november-state-dept-.html

Remember, that's for a deal where the rest of the participants already are not on the same page as the USA.

I fully expect the world (EU, Russia, China) to tell him to fuck off.

November is a long way off. I expect that the EU, Russia and China will have told us to fuck off several times before this becomes an a reality
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 16:30:28
June 26 2018 16:26 GMT
#7029
this really feels like just another front of the trade war trump is eagerly pursuing. i don't think anyone in the global community is inclined to listen to trump at this point. he can demand all he wants but it will fall on deaf ears, the US is quickly becoming both diplomatically and economically isolated.

tactically speaking, making gas prices spike before midterms is not a good idea.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
June 26 2018 16:31 GMT
#7030
I'm starting to think that the next "apology tour" will have to be done not by the next democratic president, but by the american voters, as a promise to never elect another populist again.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2018 16:35 GMT
#7031
The apology tour should be done by the remaining Republican Congress members that enabled this president in the hopes of clinging to power. And then the democrats should demonize them for doing it in the midterm elections.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 26 2018 16:37 GMT
#7032
I especially love this bit.

Die USA seien sich im Klaren, dass dies bei den US-Verbündeten nicht nur auf Zustimmung stoßen werde, besonders bei Öl-Importeuren.

"Der Grund, warum sie es dennoch machen werden, ist ihre Beziehung zu uns", betonte er.


The USA knows, that this won't be very welcomed by US allies, especially with oil importers.

"The reason, why they'll do it anyway, is their relationship with us" he made clear.

Pretty delusional. The current relationship to the US is the reason why people won't do it.
On track to MA1950A.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9915 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 16:38:16
June 26 2018 16:37 GMT
#7033
This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.
Stop working for this man. Stop enabling him. Stop assisting him. Start fighting him. The people who are responsible for what is happening are not going to get out of this with their happy wealthy respectable lives unscathed. This is a country that locks poor people in cages for decades for trying to make $20. This is a country that is “tough on crime.” Remember? And the ones who make the laws are not going to like what happens when America starts to regard them as the criminals.


https://splinternews.com/this-is-just-the-beginning-1827099100

Here's a long agitprop article I have found (with no fucking paragraphs). I'm putting it here not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it sums up the current leftist dissatisfaction quite nicely.
Its worth noting that there isn't mention of civility or standards of behaviour. It really is a balls to the wall rage against the current administration and if this is a common feeling in America I am pretty concerned for how this Presidency is going to turn out.
The left are out for blood, and in my eyes the right can't complain given that their entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left.
They're triggered now, enjoy it.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 17:10:26
June 26 2018 17:09 GMT
#7034
On June 27 2018 01:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.
Stop working for this man. Stop enabling him. Stop assisting him. Start fighting him. The people who are responsible for what is happening are not going to get out of this with their happy wealthy respectable lives unscathed. This is a country that locks poor people in cages for decades for trying to make $20. This is a country that is “tough on crime.” Remember? And the ones who make the laws are not going to like what happens when America starts to regard them as the criminals.


https://splinternews.com/this-is-just-the-beginning-1827099100

Here's a long agitprop article I have found (with no fucking paragraphs). I'm putting it here not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it sums up the current leftist dissatisfaction quite nicely.
Its worth noting that there isn't mention of civility or standards of behaviour. It really is a balls to the wall rage against the current administration and if this is a common feeling in America I am pretty concerned for how this Presidency is going to turn out.
The left are out for blood, and in my eyes the right can't complain given that their entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left.
They're triggered now, enjoy it.

You think the “entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left?” Damn. Are you included in this group, because most people of your ideological stripe I talk to claim the lead up to Trump was a departure from prior movements. This is in opposition of some decade-long trigger fest that predated Trump ascending the GOP by five years. Ridiculous.

I think some people just get their rocks off feeling triggered by everything. Trump did a “look at those losers doing that” in 2015 and rose to fame and eventually power. Yes, I’m enjoying the hysteria and total meltdown from people that supposedly are my moral betters. They hurt their own viewpoint catching on with every idiotic woke stance.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 26 2018 17:12 GMT
#7035
On June 27 2018 01:05 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 23:20 Introvert wrote:
Travel ban upheld, though only 5-4 at first look. Still, they retain some small amount of self-respect, and I thought they might.

edit:so far this term, those who voted for Trump for the judges have been rewarded. I should acknowledge that as someone who didnt think that would be the case

edit:korematsu comparisons still going strong. absurd.

Also crisis pregnancy centers in California aren’t forced to advertise abortion services in their clinics. 5-4. Good double whammy today. It preserves the cause of separation of powers and freedom.

Just to be clear, crisis pregnancy centers should never be advertising abortions in the first place, because they don't even do them. They are there specifically to muddy the waters for women who are actually looking to have an abortion. Or even make an informed decision about their own pregnancy.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2018 17:15 GMT
#7036
In a shocking reveal, Danglars tells us he gets is rocks off by feeling superior to people he disagrees with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9915 Posts
June 26 2018 17:20 GMT
#7037
On June 27 2018 02:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 01:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.
Stop working for this man. Stop enabling him. Stop assisting him. Start fighting him. The people who are responsible for what is happening are not going to get out of this with their happy wealthy respectable lives unscathed. This is a country that locks poor people in cages for decades for trying to make $20. This is a country that is “tough on crime.” Remember? And the ones who make the laws are not going to like what happens when America starts to regard them as the criminals.


https://splinternews.com/this-is-just-the-beginning-1827099100

Here's a long agitprop article I have found (with no fucking paragraphs). I'm putting it here not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it sums up the current leftist dissatisfaction quite nicely.
Its worth noting that there isn't mention of civility or standards of behaviour. It really is a balls to the wall rage against the current administration and if this is a common feeling in America I am pretty concerned for how this Presidency is going to turn out.
The left are out for blood, and in my eyes the right can't complain given that their entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left.
They're triggered now, enjoy it.

You think the “entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left?” Damn. Are you included in this group, because most people of your ideological stripe I talk to claim the lead up to Trump was a departure from prior movements. This is in opposition of some decade-long trigger fest that predated Trump ascending the GOP by five years. Ridiculous.

I think some people just get their rocks off feeling triggered by everything. Trump did a “look at those losers doing that” in 2015 and rose to fame and eventually power. Yes, I’m enjoying the hysteria and total meltdown from people that supposedly are my moral betters. They hurt their own viewpoint catching on with every idiotic woke stance.


OK not the whole decade, basically the last 4-5 years. The point still stands. The right loved it when it was libtard tears they were getting, they aren't too keen on how that developed though.
Its almost as if people can't stomach the obvious consequences of being as obnoxious as possible and insisting that your leaders are the same.
RIP Meatloaf <3
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2018 17:23 GMT
#7038
On June 27 2018 01:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 00:55 xDaunt wrote:
On June 27 2018 00:49 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, Dauntless, I do not share this “conservative”(though I know several conservatives who would us stronger language to describe it) viewpoint that the president can say whatever he wants about his plans so long as the language on the page is good. The executive branch is responsible for enforcement these laws and executive orders. Both matter and what he says is relevant in the case. Otherwise we set up a scenario when the President can claim to be removing due process from deportation cases and then come up with a legal justification after the fact for why Judges are not necessary to safeguard civil liberties.


Yeah, by your logic we should invalidate the Civil Rights Act because Lyndon Johnson said racist things. Please.

The civil rights act was passed by congress and didn’t invoke the vague specter of National Security as a justification. This is an executive order created by a president who openly advocated for a Muslim ban. His lawyers were on TV saying the president told them to make a legal Muslim ban. This is not a vague racist statement said with no relationship to the legislation at hand, but a clear statement of intent through tortured legal reasoning. It would be a malpractices of justice of the court threw that out.


The conservative bloc of SCOTUS has made clear that unless an order/policy explicitly states in its text that it is racist/based on race, that it, therefore, is not racist/based on race. Makes defending racists and racist policies easy as hell. Blueprint is there, so expect to see more.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-26 17:29:25
June 26 2018 17:27 GMT
#7039
On June 27 2018 02:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 02:09 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2018 01:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.
Stop working for this man. Stop enabling him. Stop assisting him. Start fighting him. The people who are responsible for what is happening are not going to get out of this with their happy wealthy respectable lives unscathed. This is a country that locks poor people in cages for decades for trying to make $20. This is a country that is “tough on crime.” Remember? And the ones who make the laws are not going to like what happens when America starts to regard them as the criminals.


https://splinternews.com/this-is-just-the-beginning-1827099100

Here's a long agitprop article I have found (with no fucking paragraphs). I'm putting it here not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it sums up the current leftist dissatisfaction quite nicely.
Its worth noting that there isn't mention of civility or standards of behaviour. It really is a balls to the wall rage against the current administration and if this is a common feeling in America I am pretty concerned for how this Presidency is going to turn out.
The left are out for blood, and in my eyes the right can't complain given that their entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left.
They're triggered now, enjoy it.

You think the “entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left?” Damn. Are you included in this group, because most people of your ideological stripe I talk to claim the lead up to Trump was a departure from prior movements. This is in opposition of some decade-long trigger fest that predated Trump ascending the GOP by five years. Ridiculous.

I think some people just get their rocks off feeling triggered by everything. Trump did a “look at those losers doing that” in 2015 and rose to fame and eventually power. Yes, I’m enjoying the hysteria and total meltdown from people that supposedly are my moral betters. They hurt their own viewpoint catching on with every idiotic woke stance.


OK not the whole decade, basically the last 4-5 years. The point still stands. The right loved it when it was libtard tears they were getting, they aren't too keen on how that developed though.
Its almost as if people can't stomach the obvious consequences of being as obnoxious as possible and insisting that your leaders are the same.

the republicans kinda started doing it in the early 90s; it's just been getting steadily worse since then. but only started getting really bad recently. saying whole decade is fine imho; since it really started getting heavier with the tea party movement which was getting big in '10.

too bad the justices ruled that way on the fake abortion centers issue. did they have at least a decent reasoning? or not?
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On June 27 2018 02:27 zlefin wrote:
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On June 27 2018 02:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On June 27 2018 02:09 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2018 01:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
This is all going to get more extreme. And it should. We are living in extreme times. The harm that is being done to all of us by the people in the American government is extreme. To imagine that Mexican immigrants should happily cook for and serve meals to people who enable a man who is determined to demonize and persecute them as subhuman criminals is far more outrageous than the idea that those enablers should not be served in restaurants. I do not believe that Trump administration officials should be able to live their lives in peace and affluence while they inflict serious harms on large portions of the American population. Not being able to go to restaurants and attend parties and be celebrated is just the minimum baseline here. These people, who are pushing America merrily down the road to fascism and white nationalism, are delusional if they do not think that the backlash is going to get much worse. Wait until the recession comes. Wait until Trump starts a war. Wait until the racism this administration is stoking begins to explode into violence more frequently. Read a fucking history book. Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant. When you aggressively fuck with people’s lives, you should not be surprised when they decide to fuck with yours.
Stop working for this man. Stop enabling him. Stop assisting him. Start fighting him. The people who are responsible for what is happening are not going to get out of this with their happy wealthy respectable lives unscathed. This is a country that locks poor people in cages for decades for trying to make $20. This is a country that is “tough on crime.” Remember? And the ones who make the laws are not going to like what happens when America starts to regard them as the criminals.


https://splinternews.com/this-is-just-the-beginning-1827099100

Here's a long agitprop article I have found (with no fucking paragraphs). I'm putting it here not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it sums up the current leftist dissatisfaction quite nicely.
Its worth noting that there isn't mention of civility or standards of behaviour. It really is a balls to the wall rage against the current administration and if this is a common feeling in America I am pretty concerned for how this Presidency is going to turn out.
The left are out for blood, and in my eyes the right can't complain given that their entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left.
They're triggered now, enjoy it.

You think the “entire movement for the whole of this decade has been about triggering the left?” Damn. Are you included in this group, because most people of your ideological stripe I talk to claim the lead up to Trump was a departure from prior movements. This is in opposition of some decade-long trigger fest that predated Trump ascending the GOP by five years. Ridiculous.

I think some people just get their rocks off feeling triggered by everything. Trump did a “look at those losers doing that” in 2015 and rose to fame and eventually power. Yes, I’m enjoying the hysteria and total meltdown from people that supposedly are my moral betters. They hurt their own viewpoint catching on with every idiotic woke stance.


OK not the whole decade, basically the last 4-5 years. The point still stands. The right loved it when it was libtard tears they were getting, they aren't too keen on how that developed though.
Its almost as if people can't stomach the obvious consequences of being as obnoxious as possible and insisting that your leaders are the same.

the republicans kinda started doing it in the early 90s; it's just been getting steadily worse since then. but only started getting really bad recently. saying whole decade is fine imho; since it really started getting heavier with the tea party movement which was getting big in '10.

too bad the justices ruled that way on the fake abortion centers issue. did they have at least a decent reasoning? or not?

The law that was written to deal with them was not great. It was way to broad. The appropriate venue would have been to build a case against them for false advertising and deceptive business(non-profits still have to obey laws) practices.

On June 27 2018 02:23 On_Slaught wrote:
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On June 27 2018 01:03 Plansix wrote:
On June 27 2018 00:55 xDaunt wrote:
On June 27 2018 00:49 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, Dauntless, I do not share this “conservative”(though I know several conservatives who would us stronger language to describe it) viewpoint that the president can say whatever he wants about his plans so long as the language on the page is good. The executive branch is responsible for enforcement these laws and executive orders. Both matter and what he says is relevant in the case. Otherwise we set up a scenario when the President can claim to be removing due process from deportation cases and then come up with a legal justification after the fact for why Judges are not necessary to safeguard civil liberties.


Yeah, by your logic we should invalidate the Civil Rights Act because Lyndon Johnson said racist things. Please.

The civil rights act was passed by congress and didn’t invoke the vague specter of National Security as a justification. This is an executive order created by a president who openly advocated for a Muslim ban. His lawyers were on TV saying the president told them to make a legal Muslim ban. This is not a vague racist statement said with no relationship to the legislation at hand, but a clear statement of intent through tortured legal reasoning. It would be a malpractices of justice of the court threw that out.


The conservative bloc of SCOTUS has made clear that unless an order/policy explicitly states in its text that it is racist/based on race, that it, therefore, is not racist/based on race. Makes defending racists and racist policies easy as hell. Blueprint is there, so expect to see more.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.



Yeah. I would remind folks that the majority of the Jim Crow laws did not overtly reference black folk. They were designed to be neutral and existed for "safety" reasons. They were still god damn racist.
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