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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-30 20:49:12
October 30 2021 20:48 GMT
#66941
On October 31 2021 05:15 WombaT wrote:
For all they rail against ‘snowflakes’, Jesus Carlson’s cohort loves to cling to anything that makes them victims somehow.

No it can’t be a collective breakdown and tantrum over their guy losing, against all evidence that spiralled into storming the Capitol Building.

Nah it’s yet another crazy conspiracy of course! There’s always some explanatory conspiracy to redirect away from facing and having to reflect that your ideas and conduct are pretty shitty

Although Jesus I thought Carlson was mostly bad, with the odd good take, not quite this mental, granted I don’t consume much of his content



The irony is that what Tucker describes is literally what the US government actually did (and does in some ways) to communists and Black liberation movements.

What actually makes what he's pushing there so absurd is the idea that the "left" controls it and is turning it against the white supremacist capitalist hegemony.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
October 30 2021 21:20 GMT
#66942
Carlson has gone off the deep end the moment his ratings skyrocketed. Only seen a few clips shared around, but yeah he's become something of a mix between Hannity and Glenn Beck now.

O'Reilly at least had somewhat moderate takes before he got axed. Who's left at Fox that still has sense, Cavuto?
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 30 2021 22:23 GMT
#66943
I liked some of Carlson's early stuff - some nice instances of "having a point" in the face of really dumb hot takes from his guests. Can't offer much praise for any of his newer stuff, though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 30 2021 22:58 GMT
#66944
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5712 Posts
October 31 2021 00:05 GMT
#66945
On October 31 2021 07:58 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2021 06:20 Husyelt wrote:
Carlson has gone off the deep end the moment his ratings skyrocketed. Only seen a few clips shared around, but yeah he's become something of a mix between Hannity and Glenn Beck now.

O'Reilly at least had somewhat moderate takes before he got axed. Who's left at Fox that still has sense, Cavuto?


Things have got so wierd that geraldo rivera is the voice of reason on fox news these days....

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-geraldo-rivera-rips-tucker-carlson-conspiracy-theory-2021-10?amp

Surely you meant Geralt of Rivia? ;o
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-31 03:46:16
October 31 2021 00:16 GMT
#66946
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-31 04:01:40
October 31 2021 03:55 GMT
#66947
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
November 01 2021 22:54 GMT
#66948
Whats even dumber is that the democrats ripped out almost everything they wanted from their bill over weeks of bad press and ugly negotiating only to get manchin to come out and say that he's never going to vote for the bill anyway and its time to give up on it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 01 2021 23:53 GMT
#66949
At this point, BBB seems to be better known for what's being removed from it, and most of the public can't even name what it wants to achieve according to some polls. On Manchin's new antics, I've read from Brian Schatz that Democrats are waiting on the CBO's report anyways and Manchin was waiting on that kind of analysis, so it's not a complete thumbs down. Doesn't look like it's passing tomorrow though because of him, despite Pelosi's intent to set the votes for both by then.

Oh yeah, also lot of big elections tomorrow like the gubernatorial races for Virginia and New Jersey, some primaries for House seats and mayoral races. Virginia's a particularly watched race because it's seen as the biggest test for a president's party after the elections and a bellwether for the midterms. Virginia's notorious for voting in the party opposite to the president to the governor's mansion as well. The polls for that race are favouring Youngkin (R) ever so slightly right now, but VA's been slowly turning bluer and early voting looks quite strong for McAuliffe (D). I expect a close race that's in toss-up territory at this rate.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-01 23:59:11
November 01 2021 23:58 GMT
#66950
After living through 32+ years of elections, this year’s round of election advertising in Virginia has been by far the most obnoxious i have ever borne witness to, and though I hope Terry pulls it out, I am very much looking forward to what will prove to be an ephemeral break from election nonsense.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 02 2021 00:15 GMT
#66951
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 02 2021 00:24 GMT
#66952
Republicans have pulled ahead in Virginia gov election. Democrats already pointing out their classic reason for losing, low black enthusiasm. If you don't convince black people to vote for you (which happens to be difficult right now due to vax mandate position of democrats), its usually game over unless its a progressive state like Oregon.

The thing is, I think democrats will lose Virginia for reasons that don't apply very well to other states. Aside from the momentum component, I don't think VA will reflect fundamental issues with the democrat's platform. So long as they pass BBB (probably 1.5 or 1.25 T, but not this 1.75 T one) and the other bill, I think they will have done enough to barely slide by in both house and senate in 2022.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 02 2021 02:04 GMT
#66953
The apparent declining prospects of the Democrats in Virginia actually come from a pretty universal factor: the declining popularity of the Biden administration itself. Sure, it was able to marginally squeeze out a win against Trump after he completely bungled most of the pandemic response, and they managed to eke out a Senate majority because of the whole election fraud bonanza. But it's clear that Biden doesn't have anywhere near the mandate he thinks he does, and approval rating numbers tell that story. Virginia is just the first in a series of down ballots that will suffer from the low popularity of a president whose pinnacle achievement seems poised to be, "distributed vaccines developed under and purchased by predecessor."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 02 2021 02:06 GMT
#66954
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
November 02 2021 02:09 GMT
#66955
On November 02 2021 11:04 LegalLord wrote:
The apparent declining prospects of the Democrats in Virginia actually come from a pretty universal factor: the declining popularity of the Biden administration itself. Sure, it was able to marginally squeeze out a win against Trump after he completely bungled most of the pandemic response, and they managed to eke out a Senate majority because of the whole election fraud bonanza. But it's clear that Biden doesn't have anywhere near the mandate he thinks he does, and approval rating numbers tell that story. Virginia is just the first in a series of down ballots that will suffer from the low popularity of a president whose pinnacle achievement seems poised to be, "distributed vaccines developed under and purchased by predecessor."


Yeah this is true too, Biden really just isn't that popular at all. He's gonna need to stop playing so safe if he wants to bump those numbers. I still think the two bills will pass, and that will help him a lot, but he's sure banking a lot on that right now.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 02 2021 02:21 GMT
#66956
On November 02 2021 11:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2021 11:04 LegalLord wrote:
The apparent declining prospects of the Democrats in Virginia actually come from a pretty universal factor: the declining popularity of the Biden administration itself. Sure, it was able to marginally squeeze out a win against Trump after he completely bungled most of the pandemic response, and they managed to eke out a Senate majority because of the whole election fraud bonanza. But it's clear that Biden doesn't have anywhere near the mandate he thinks he does, and approval rating numbers tell that story. Virginia is just the first in a series of down ballots that will suffer from the low popularity of a president whose pinnacle achievement seems poised to be, "distributed vaccines developed under and purchased by predecessor."


Yeah this is true too, Biden really just isn't that popular at all. He's gonna need to stop playing so safe if he wants to bump those numbers. I still think the two bills will pass, and that will help him a lot, but he's sure banking a lot on that right now.

I'm sure they'll get some duo of infrastructure bills through. Funding the least controversial stuff and an ever diminishing grab-bag of Democratic priorities. I have to agree with PhoenixVoid though that it seems much more famous for what is getting removed than for what remains inside the bill. Don't know if it was the intent, but the Republicans couldn't have planned for a better outcome in supporting the bipartisan bill and watching the rest get brutalized in some depressing "house divided upon itself" scenario. I suspect it won't be the popularity boost some would hope for; it does too little and there will be too many ways to paint it as a blunder.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 02:49:08
November 02 2021 02:47 GMT
#66957
On November 02 2021 11:21 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2021 11:09 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 02 2021 11:04 LegalLord wrote:
The apparent declining prospects of the Democrats in Virginia actually come from a pretty universal factor: the declining popularity of the Biden administration itself. Sure, it was able to marginally squeeze out a win against Trump after he completely bungled most of the pandemic response, and they managed to eke out a Senate majority because of the whole election fraud bonanza. But it's clear that Biden doesn't have anywhere near the mandate he thinks he does, and approval rating numbers tell that story. Virginia is just the first in a series of down ballots that will suffer from the low popularity of a president whose pinnacle achievement seems poised to be, "distributed vaccines developed under and purchased by predecessor."


Yeah this is true too, Biden really just isn't that popular at all. He's gonna need to stop playing so safe if he wants to bump those numbers. I still think the two bills will pass, and that will help him a lot, but he's sure banking a lot on that right now.

I'm sure they'll get some duo of infrastructure bills through. Funding the least controversial stuff and an ever diminishing grab-bag of Democratic priorities. I have to agree with PhoenixVoid though that it seems much more famous for what is getting removed than for what remains inside the bill. Don't know if it was the intent, but the Republicans couldn't have planned for a better outcome in supporting the bipartisan bill and watching the rest get brutalized in some depressing "house divided upon itself" scenario. I suspect it won't be the popularity boost some would hope for; it does too little and there will be too many ways to paint it as a blunder.


I think a lot of people pearl clenching over what's been cut are losing touch of how amazing the existing stuff is. Growing up, if my mom had an extra $300/month, I'd have eaten differently and had a very different life. All this other stuff is of course great and beneficial, but I think many of the Twitter communists who insist this is a republican bill have never lived a poor day in their lives.

Child tax credit + universal pre-k would have a gigantic impact on millions of kids. Maybe its just that I had a particularly unpleasant early years, but I look at that and I'm deeply appreciative. People need to remember an extra $300/month is a game changer for many families.

Does the country's poor deserve more? 100x. But will even a scaled down version of this bill transform life for millions of people? yes.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 04:11:39
November 02 2021 04:01 GMT
#66958
On November 02 2021 11:21 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2021 11:09 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 02 2021 11:04 LegalLord wrote:
The apparent declining prospects of the Democrats in Virginia actually come from a pretty universal factor: the declining popularity of the Biden administration itself. Sure, it was able to marginally squeeze out a win against Trump after he completely bungled most of the pandemic response, and they managed to eke out a Senate majority because of the whole election fraud bonanza. But it's clear that Biden doesn't have anywhere near the mandate he thinks he does, and approval rating numbers tell that story. Virginia is just the first in a series of down ballots that will suffer from the low popularity of a president whose pinnacle achievement seems poised to be, "distributed vaccines developed under and purchased by predecessor."


Yeah this is true too, Biden really just isn't that popular at all. He's gonna need to stop playing so safe if he wants to bump those numbers. I still think the two bills will pass, and that will help him a lot, but he's sure banking a lot on that right now.

I'm sure they'll get some duo of infrastructure bills through. Funding the least controversial stuff and an ever diminishing grab-bag of Democratic priorities. I have to agree with PhoenixVoid though that it seems much more famous for what is getting removed than for what remains inside the bill. Don't know if it was the intent, but the Republicans couldn't have planned for a better outcome in supporting the bipartisan bill and watching the rest get brutalized in some depressing "house divided upon itself" scenario. I suspect it won't be the popularity boost some would hope for; it does too little and there will be too many ways to paint it as a blunder.

I'm pretty confident it won't be much of a bump and likely won't be sustained. The $300 a month is something people are already getting so it's not likely to be perceived as "extra" despite Democrats intentionally making it temporary so they could call it "extra" now.

I'm curious when Democrat's progressive caucus is going to cave and for what. They avoided falling for the scam Pelosi tried last month and this last week but I still have the sinking feeling whenever they fold it will be in an embarrassing fashion.

edit: Totally within Democrats capabilities to fail to get anything through too.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 08:33:14
November 02 2021 08:27 GMT
#66959
It feels like Biden's first two years have been filled with crisis after crisis. Pandemic, Afghanistan, immigrant surge, and bunch of natural disasters. And this is on top of inheriting the disjointed mess of incompetence and malice that previous administration left, crowned by January 6th. Combined with an obstinate congress with insufficient majority, I don't know what people are expecting him to do besides be some kind of FDR or something which I don't know is even possible in this age. I still hold hope that with 4 years they will make some progress at least rather than fling us all into the abyss.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-02 09:03:44
November 02 2021 08:58 GMT
#66960
Democrats made a pretty big deal about how much they'd get done and how important it was for them to take the Senate, they look incompetent and incapable of delivering on promises at this point.

Its probably going to be a long while before they have control over Congress once the midterms are done.

Biden was a bad choice as president, I hope to god they dont try and put him up to run again. He's going to wind up a Jimmy Carter but without being such a good person like Jimmy Carter was/is.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
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