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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5785 Posts
19 hours ago
#107881
On December 26 2025 18:30 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
So the US is building 25 battleships and China is doing the exact opposite and building container based weapon modules with different types of missiles as well as container based support modules like radars and phalanx systems.

Essentially turning their massive fleet of container ships into prospective missile cruisers.

There are problems with arming civilian ships but it's mainly against smaller threats because they aren't built for taking damage. But against battleships and aircraft carriers it will be fine.

They're guided missile battleships. They're not WW2 gun broadside ships.

They will hopefully do better than a bunch of retrofitted container ships, but nobody can know that while it's all just wargames. Like nobody thought you could drive a truck with drones into Russia and just launch them. The US could increase shipbuilding to try to regain parity with Asia but that would require policies geared towards shipbuilding, and towards steel, especially steel production which is independent of your enemies for national security reasons, and most people don't have the stomach to go in depth on those.

The US has the capability, and technological advantage, but not sustained production of tonnage. That's why the massive peacetime fleet is necessary and why guided missile/multirole capital ships is a good slight hedge when the fleet now is now based around 2 things - supercarriers, and subs, and the latter mainly comes into play only once thermonuclear war has already begun. You could produce a lot of small ships instead of fewer bigger ships, but in no sense do container ships get an edge.

Is your point a container ship is so trivial as to be invulnerable to massive warships, or is your point since they're going to get blown up in 1 hit anyway it's immaterial?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2678 Posts
18 hours ago
#107882
On December 26 2025 19:34 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2025 18:30 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
So the US is building 25 battleships and China is doing the exact opposite and building container based weapon modules with different types of missiles as well as container based support modules like radars and phalanx systems.

Essentially turning their massive fleet of container ships into prospective missile cruisers.

There are problems with arming civilian ships but it's mainly against smaller threats because they aren't built for taking damage. But against battleships and aircraft carriers it will be fine.

They're guided missile battleships. They're not WW2 gun broadside ships.

They will hopefully do better than a bunch of retrofitted container ships, but nobody can know that while it's all just wargames. Like nobody thought you could drive a truck with drones into Russia and just launch them. The US could increase shipbuilding to try to regain parity with Asia but that would require policies geared towards shipbuilding, and towards steel, especially steel production which is independent of your enemies for national security reasons, and most people don't have the stomach to go in depth on those.

The US has the capability, and technological advantage, but not sustained production of tonnage. That's why the massive peacetime fleet is necessary and why guided missile/multirole capital ships is a good slight hedge when the fleet now is now based around 2 things - supercarriers, and subs, and the latter mainly comes into play only once thermonuclear war has already begun. You could produce a lot of small ships instead of fewer bigger ships, but in no sense do container ships get an edge.

Is your point a container ship is so trivial as to be invulnerable to massive warships, or is your point since they're going to get blown up in 1 hit anyway it's immaterial?


That they will be blown up in salvo anyway. Nothing on the sea can survive the attention of a large US warship.
However a container ship can't really survive the attention of anything. Killing it with something like Ukranian sea drones is cost effective, most things the US has is extreme overkill.

At the same time the container ships have one big asset, they carry either an immense amount of anti aircraft missiles or an immense ammount of anti ship missiles. Complete overkill against small vessels and drones, extremly potent against a US battlegroup.

China has built a lot of stealthier smaller missile carriers backed up by long range missiles and AA from the mainland. This seems to be one way of protecting that cover outwards. It's also only aimed at dealing with an opponent with few and expensive ships.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22005 Posts
14 hours ago
#107883
On December 26 2025 19:24 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
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On December 26 2025 18:35 Gorsameth wrote:
The US is not building any battleships.

remember there is a world of difference between what Trump says and what actually happens. Esp when the process for designing a new military ship will take years, but more realistically decades.


"The US isn't doing" has been said for years about Trump.
Usually it turns out that the US will indeed try whatever he wants.
They can try, but these amateurs are not designing and building a battleship in 3 years
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1339 Posts
12 hours ago
#107884
The real question is when they are not build but billions are spent and Trump and people in his orbit make shit tons. Will oBlade still be thinking it is a great idea? My guess is yes. Because he still has not realized that the wall was a massive grift just like basically everything Trump does.
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