EPTI already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ?
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Nouar
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I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? | ||
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JimmiC
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:20 JimmiC wrote: I mean the far left would not even support Bernie if you are getting out as far from center as the US far right when talking globally. I always find it funny (strange not hilarious) that things like universal healthcare are far left in the US context. That's why I put "far left" in quotes. "Far left" in the US is really just slightly left of center on the political spectrum. From the discussions I have had, there are 2 far left groups in the US: the first is the "far left" that support reshaping the US into a Social Democracy. The second is the actual far left. They support turning the US into a Socialist or Communist state but have accepted that someone like Bernie Sanders is the best they can expect from the US at this time. He's a building block to something greater for them. I think a big difference between the US far left and US far right when it comes to violence is partly that being the far left in US context includes who would be ceterists or left of center in basically every other developed country. Where as being far right in the US is the same as far right everywhere else. Also, I'm not sure it is possible to far right and not be up for some level of violence against someone but you can totally be far left and anti violence. Yeah, pretty much. The US is pushed so far to one corner of the political spectrum (auth-right) that being in or near the center is considered radical and people around the center don't tend to be violent uprisers. | ||
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JimmiC
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:34 JimmiC wrote: Far right has killed 335 people and the far left 22 the dramatic difference is most of the left attacks have been against property and often related to construction or treatment of animals. https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states For context the coup attempt by the far right killed more police then the entire history of antifa (despite "blue lives matter" and antifa wanting to abolish the police). Yeah, groups like ANTIFA don't really puts targets on people's heads and leftwing protests usually aim to destroy symbols of oppression like statues. Remember the Minneapolis police station that was destroyed during the George Floyd riots? They didn't try to burn it down until after the police evacuated, almost like killing people to get their message across isn't the objective or something. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protests-looting-erupt-again-minneapolis-area-following-death-george-floyd-n1216881 | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:13 Archeon wrote: Got a source? Would like to read more on that. I always hear from both sides that their side isn't as bad, would be nice to get actual data for discussions on this. Personally I feel closer to the left crazies than to the rights, mainly because I get motivations like the fight against inequality and not ones for nations or ethnic separation, but I've seen enough pics of violent protests to know not to trust either. My inherent assumption would be that the radical right is more organized due to anarchism and anti-authoritarianism of left movements, but that wouldn't necessarily influence the regularity of violence albeit perhaps the level of escalation. www.csis.org From june 19th 2020. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period. I think they're fairly accurate in their predictions. | ||
Slydie
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Also, I'm not sure it is possible to far right and not be up for some level of violence against someone but you can totally be far left and anti violence. That the violent part of far right tends to steal the media spotlight does not mean they are the majority. It is not hard to find ultra-far right people who still think violence damages their ambition of being more mainstream. Just for curiousity, the Norwegian far-left "Red Party" merged and reformed in 2007 to go more mainstream, and only then did they remove a paragraph in their program that they supported an "Armed Revolution." It worked. Supporting violence can very easily backfire, as the Trumpism movement is about to see. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Party_(Norway) | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote: I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 Ted Cruz is an idiot but he's not that stupid. I think Cruz noticed Trump can put out anything and his followers will believe it without question and he believes he can do the same. | ||
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JimmiC
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22238 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:46 StasisField wrote: Yeah, politicians know that the group exists and without Trump in the spotlight others will no doubt try to tap into that group.Ted Cruz is an idiot but he's not that stupid. I think Cruz noticed Trump can put out anything and his followers will believe it without question and he believes he can do the same. | ||
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Archeon
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On January 22 2021 06:34 JimmiC wrote: It depends a little on how you categorize because where do you put ISIS and so on. If you put them on the far right which they are closer to he is almost bang on and it is much worse this past year. Since the 70s it has been 57% far right 25% far left and the rest made up of religious extremists and so on. In this past year this study took into account 90% far right and almost no far left, despite what the "media" is saying (bit of a jab at the farce that the media is is so pro left and paints right poorly). Far right has killed 335 people and the far left 22 the dramatic difference is most of the left attacks have been against property and often related to construction or treatment of animals. https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states For context the coup attempt by the far right killed more police then the entire history of antifa (despite "blue lives matter" and antifa wanting to abolish the police). Interesting read, thank you for the source. Thanks to all the other people too who provided links. | ||
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JimmiC
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On January 22 2021 07:15 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah, politicians know that the group exists and without Trump in the spotlight others will no doubt try to tap into that group. A shame that the "others" don't hold it against them for saying bullshit. That type of stuff should just disqualify them among the general voter population. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22238 Posts
On January 22 2021 07:32 Nouar wrote: Which is why Republicans used to dogwhistle because they feared they would lose the rest of the right if they went to far.A shame that the "others" don't hold it against them for saying bullshit. That type of stuff should just disqualify them among the general voter population. And then Trump threw away the whistle and openly praised nazi's and the right was generally ok with it. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 22 2021 07:37 Gorsameth wrote: Which is why Republicans used to dogwhistle because they feared they would lose the rest of the right if they went to far. And then Trump threw away the whistle and openly praised nazi's and the right was generally ok with it. They were ok with it as long as they felt they could get away with it, which they did thanks to the momentum Trump gave them. It's not like they sneezed last night and remembered they have morals, they still don't. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8064 Posts
On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote: I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
They're also very dedicated to harvesting members from less organized and violent right-leaning groups. There's a reason they have presences at QAnon rallies-for the most part they don't believe any of that dumb crap, but they see them as ripe for conversion. That's also why they have ongoing and explicit efforts to radicalize disillusioned QAnon followers. And, because they're smart enough to wear masks and not take selfies, they won't get arrested for actions at the capital. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45529 Posts
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brian
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On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45529 Posts
On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote: Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I absolutely love the responses to his bad-faith statement by Seth Rogen, SH, and BTC. | ||
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