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On January 22 2021 09:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote: I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ?
This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I absolutely love the responses to his bad-faith statement by Seth Rogen, SH, and BTC. Can you share the quotes? and tbh I'm not even sure whor sh and btc are 🤣
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On January 22 2021 09:31 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 09:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I absolutely love the responses to his bad-faith statement by Seth Rogen, SH, and BTC. Can you share the quotes? and tbh I'm not even sure whor sh and btc are 🤣
Here you go SH is a comedian, and BTC is a liberal social media platformer who talks about politics.
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none of which touches on the fact that the mayor of pittsburgh vocally supported the paris accords after Trump bailed on them. Cruz is still a total loser.
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Cruz was also in the running when Trump grabbed the nomination what feels like 10,000 years ago now. So let's stamp out the notion that Trump was some kind of aberration, and that they begrudgingly rallied behind him. He was their perfect leader, they wanted someone who could take the mask off like Trump could, and they were happy to have an increasingly radicalized base because of him. Cruz condoned the attack on our capital 2 weeks ago. Cruz, Hawley, Cawthorne, and all the other Republicans who enabled and organized the attack on our capital need to have their asses removed from Congress and thrown in jail.
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Northern Ireland20718 Posts
As per the supposed left/right differences in violence, surely perception of the world comes into it?
The left’s tends to be a systemic critique, the right’s more personal and hierarchical in structure. Painting in broad strokes of course, but capitalism is the problem on that the left and thus the restructuring of that is the ultimate goal. For the far right, well they don’t really have a holistic systemic critique so their ire is drawn to individuals who are seen to be acting against their interests and controlling things in that direction.
Thus rhetoric and sometimes actions are directed against these flesh and blood enemy groups, who are seen as having a direct culpability in doing whatever things the far right doesn’t like. QAnon is this kind of thinking taking to the extreme, a small group of named people are controlling everything somehow.
Hence you get ‘hang Mike Pence’ and people looking for Nancy Pelosi, subsequent to the events and with new footage and analysis it does appear that some of these people actually believed that if they had carried out a few executions they’d have got their way.
By and large I don’t think the left think like that, that political killings are just like cutting one of the hydra’s heads off.
Doesn’t mean the left isn’t violent mind. It would seem the radical left is more violent if things are in a state of genuine flux that could conceivably swing either way, historically. Plus of course the violence we see when the pre-existing system is replaced with some kind of far left system.
Also the left tends not to hate anyone for their innate existence along various lines of identity, which the far right definitely do.
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On January 22 2021 10:34 Zambrah wrote:Just your daily reminder that letting these Insurrectionist type members of the GOP keep building their political careers successfully off the back of conspiracy theories and lies is going to send the US down the shitter. Marjorie Taylor Green (QAnon House Republican nutjob) has already filed articles of impeachment against Biden, though the documents are unavailable so god knows what shes made up as to why he should be impeached. Unifying with this is not good or right and I hope America eventually realizes this, because unifying with lunatic fascists is going to mean we get fascism. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/535317-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-bidenEDIT: Nevermind, shes doing it over the Hunter Biden Ukraine shit https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1352368778731020288?s=20 We already established that the son of a sitting President consorting with a foreign power for political gain is A-OK, so whether or not the Hunter Biden thing was ever a thing, which it isn't, it wouldn't be after the Republicans chose the precedent they wanted to establish. She remains delusional.
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Presuming Republicans stick to precedents they establish! That is a lot of undue faith, given what we saw with the Amy Coney Barrett situation.
This certainly isnt going to wind up having any teeth, but still having this faction of politicians exist as they are is 100% not going to end well at one point or another.
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Canada10904 Posts
On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work.
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On January 22 2021 11:03 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work.
i don’t know if i wasn’t clear enough but i will explicitly state i think Cruz is smart enough to know exactly how treaties work.
ok that’s stretching it, but at a minimum he is very much aware it has nothing to do specifically with the citizens of paris. or is it your point that he thinks it has just as much to do specifically with the citizens of pittsburg? because they sound the same?
ok i buy that.
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But I would assume he knows his voters don't know enough about the Paris accords to know it's not about the people who live in Paris. Then you have to play their game unpacking the stupid and misleading thing the traitorous fuckwad said.
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On January 22 2021 11:03 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work. So you think his base will understand that comment as rhetorical flourish by alliteration and not what it means based on the words used? Sounds super unlikely to me.
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Canada10904 Posts
On January 22 2021 11:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 11:03 Falling wrote:On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work. So you think his base will understand that comment as rhetorical flourish by alliteration and not what it means based on the words used? Sounds super unlikely to me. What is materially different from his argument either way? The mechanics are different, but it's essentially just a "America First" message. "We don't need to worry about what is good for people out there. We need to worry about what's good for us." I think that message comes through loud and clear and would be understood by his base whatever they know about how treaties work.
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The material difference is that the Paris Climate Agreement doesn't somehow uniquely benefit parisians. Its like saying the Treaty of Versailles was really a treaty benefiting the french. Its kind of true in that its probably a good thing for the french that World War I ended, but framing it like its some unique benefit to France over anyone else is weird, dumb, and probably dishonest framing.
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On January 22 2021 12:48 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 11:40 JimmiC wrote:On January 22 2021 11:03 Falling wrote:On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work. So you think his base will understand that comment as rhetorical flourish by alliteration and not what it means based on the words used? Sounds super unlikely to me. What is materially different from his argument either way? The mechanics are different, but it's essentially just a "America First" message. "We don't need to worry about what is good for people out there. We need to worry about what's good for us." I think that message comes through loud and clear and would be understood by his base whatever they know about how treaties work.
It's like saying people only care about Geneva because its called the Geneva convention
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Canada10904 Posts
On January 22 2021 12:59 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2021 12:48 Falling wrote:On January 22 2021 11:40 JimmiC wrote:On January 22 2021 11:03 Falling wrote:On January 22 2021 08:58 brian wrote:On January 22 2021 08:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 22 2021 06:25 Nouar wrote:I'd really love to understand if that guy actually believes what he says or is just plainly appealing to the dumber part of the base... I already had issues with his 180 in support of Trump in '16 (along with a LOT of other things), but does he really believes the "Paris agreement" has anything to do with the citizens of Paris ? Or am I missing something here ? https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312 This is so painfully stupid I don't even know what to say. Cruz is an absolute pond scum. Cruz is familiar with what the name of the accord actually means. He’s not as stupid as his constituents, and that’s exactly the card he’s playing. I don't think he's trying to trick his constituents either. I think it's pretty clear it's a rhetorical flourish by using alliteration. I wouldn't assume Cruz is a dumb-dumb who doesn't understand how treaties work. So you think his base will understand that comment as rhetorical flourish by alliteration and not what it means based on the words used? Sounds super unlikely to me. What is materially different from his argument either way? The mechanics are different, but it's essentially just a "America First" message. "We don't need to worry about what is good for people out there. We need to worry about what's good for us." I think that message comes through loud and clear and would be understood by his base whatever they know about how treaties work. It's like saying people only care about Geneva because its called the Geneva convention (And @Zambrah)
That's a too literal reading in this case. It's the old "America First" message. Who happens to be outside the America circle is largely irrelevant. "Parisians" is synecdoche- a part that stands for the whole: not-America so to speak. In the same way, he is also not literally only caring about Pittsburgh to the exclusion of the rest of America. Pittsburgh didn't suddenly find a special place in Cruz' heart. Pittsburgh too is a part that stands for the whole. They're talking about the Paris Accord, so he makes a rhetorical flourish, using Parisian as part of his alliteration to say Americans should care about American interests rather than any one else.
Please don't mistake this as me agreeing with Cruz, but I think his meaning is plain when one assumes he isn't an idiot (or that he thinks his supporters are idiots who he is trying to trick). Assuming that, then we can see a hyper-literal interpretation is not appropriate and the tweet is coherent insofar as it aligns with his particular political ideology.
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Yes, I think that's over-reading it. He's using Paris as [not America] and Pittsburgh as [America] because it sounds cute.
I'm sure a fair chunk of his audience will think the agreement is literally about Paris, and he's obviously factoring that in for clicks, too.
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Assuming this is clear to the average American is ignoring the wide spread ability for Americans to believe literal idiocy a la Qanon and Stop the Steal bullshit. The average American probably gets the Us vs Them but they're probably also perfectly liable to read this as "wow France is trying to defraud the US by abusing the climate deal!" because that kind of asininity is perfectly in line with Trumpism, which is still widely adhered to by a fair number of Americans.
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I think Cruz is using some flowery language to give himself cover, "it's poetic" while also riling up the idiot base. Cruz is a lot smarter than Trump and has no morals. He's going to try to grab Trump's base with shit like what he tweeted while maintaining plausible deniability to the rest of the Republicans and the moderates. Basically, he's going to go back to dog whistling.
That's his play to become the leader of the party. Luckily he has very little charisma, not even in a Trumpian way.
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Mitch McConnell continuing to be as much of an obstructionist as humanly possible, threatening to filibuster the Organizing Resolution to allow Democrats to assume their committee chair positions.
Yet another reason why working with a party whose only real political interest lies in sabotaging you is a bad idea.
I hope America doesn't forget that Mitch McConnell is a piece of shit whose existence is predicated upon making government dysfunctional just because he may not wind up being full on Team Trump. He's still the exact type of crappy DC scumbag that helps create an environment in the US that breeds Trumps.
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1352309652235702273?s=20
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