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On January 13 2021 09:13 farvacola wrote:After spending years rebuilding a case deliberately mismanaged by her predecessor, Michigan AG Dana Nessel is going to charge former Michigan Governor Rick Snyder for his role in the Flint water crisis. This also tells me that Dana is going to run for governor in '22, which would be awesome. I have met and spoken with her a few times, she's someone to keep an eye on with reference to vacancies on the national stage. Michigan plans to charge ex-Gov. Snyder in Flint water probe
better late than never I guess.
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On January 13 2021 09:45 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2021 09:13 farvacola wrote:After spending years rebuilding a case deliberately mismanaged by her predecessor, Michigan AG Dana Nessel is going to charge former Michigan Governor Rick Snyder for his role in the Flint water crisis. This also tells me that Dana is going to run for governor in '22, which would be awesome. I have met and spoken with her a few times, she's someone to keep an eye on with reference to vacancies on the national stage. Michigan plans to charge ex-Gov. Snyder in Flint water probe better late than never I guess.
Unleas theres smoking gun emails/testimony I dont see anything happening to Snyder.
I also would expect Whitmer to run again in 2022 so I dont think this is a precursor to a run for Dana Nessel.
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US Military Joint Chief of Staff have released a statement condemning the violent riots at the Capital and verifying that Biden won the election and will become the next president of USA. The military isn't fucking around this time, and taking their oath to protect the constitution very serious.
The American people have trusted the Armed Forces of the United States to protect them and our Constitution for almost 250 years. As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civil authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
The violent riot in Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process. We mourn the deaths of the two Capitol policemen and others connected to these unprecedented events.
We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection.
As Service Members, we must embody the values and ideals of the Nation. We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.
On January 20, 2021, in accordance with the Constitution, confirmed by the states and the courts, and certified by Congress, President-elect Biden will be inaugurated and will become our 46th Commander in Chief.
To our men and women deployed and at home, safeguarding our country-stay ready, keep your eyes on the horizon, and remain focused on the mission. We honor your continued service in defense of every American.
https://news.usni.org/2021/01/12/message-from-joint-chiefs-on-u-s-capitol-riot
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On January 13 2021 10:41 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2021 09:45 Doublemint wrote:On January 13 2021 09:13 farvacola wrote:After spending years rebuilding a case deliberately mismanaged by her predecessor, Michigan AG Dana Nessel is going to charge former Michigan Governor Rick Snyder for his role in the Flint water crisis. This also tells me that Dana is going to run for governor in '22, which would be awesome. I have met and spoken with her a few times, she's someone to keep an eye on with reference to vacancies on the national stage. Michigan plans to charge ex-Gov. Snyder in Flint water probe better late than never I guess. Unleas theres smoking gun emails/testimony I dont see anything happening to Snyder. I also would expect Whitmer to run again in 2022 so I dont think this is a precursor to a run for Dana Nessel.
Yeah I should have said ‘26, Whitmer will almost certainly run and win next cycle. There are rumors she has higher aspirations to follow.
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Pence refused 25th amendment. So, what now? Impeach + convict?
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To add another difficulty and open question to the impeachment...
On Sunday, House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) said that, while House Democrats would take up articles of impeachment this week against President Trump, the House might delay sending to the Senate any articles passed by the House until after President-elect Biden’s first 100 days in office. Biden proposed an alternative, under which the new Senate would immediately begin working on his legislative agenda and confirming his Cabinet appointments in the mornings and conduct the impeachment trial in the afternoon.
The sequencing of the House impeachment proceedings before Trump’s departure from office and the inauguration of the new president, followed by a Senate impeachment trial, perhaps months later, raises the question of whether a former president can be impeached after he leaves office.
The Constitution itself answers this question clearly: No, he cannot be. Once Trump’s term ends on Jan. 20, Congress loses its constitutional authority to continue impeachment proceedings against him — even if the House has already approved articles of impeachment.
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The reason for this is found in the Constitution itself. Trump would no longer be incumbent in the Office of the President at the time of the delayed Senate proceeding and would no longer be subject to “impeachment conviction” by the Senate, under the Constitution’s Impeachment Clauses. Which is to say that the Senate’s only power under the Constitution is to convict — or not — an incumbent president.
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In the end, though, only the Supreme Court can answer the question of whether Congress can impeach a president who has left office prior to its attempted impeachment of him. It is highly unlikely the Supreme Court would yield to Congress’s view that it has the power to impeach a president who is no longer in office when the Constitution itself is so clear that it does not.
WaPo op-ed by J. Michael Luttig (served as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit from 1991 to 2006.)
Trump saved by the bell? a disgusting prospect but the question seems sound.
//is the logic sound though? any constitutional scholar's y'all?
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Ya I don't think Pence wants to alienate the Trump crowd too much. He is pushing for a presidential run and he needs thoughs voters. Invoking the 25th would damage what little sway he has with them
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Can he be plain old prosecuted for incitement and terrorism even if not impeached?
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On January 13 2021 08:25 Nevuk wrote:Holy shit, this is really big. Times is reporting that McConnell thinks Trump committed impeachable offenses and is happy that the Dems have impeached him for it, as it makes it easier to purge the party of Trump. Doesn't say if he'll vote in favor, but it is probably the biggest sign so far that Trump is on shaky grounds in a Senate trial. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html
If he wanted to purge the party of Trump he'd whip his Republican colleagues to expel Cruz and Hawley from the Senate. Until I see McConnell put his money where his turtle mouth is he's still siddling up with fascism for the sake of power.
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On January 13 2021 12:19 Zambrah wrote:If he wanted to purge the party of Trump he'd whip his Republican colleagues to expel Cruz and Hawley from the Senate. Until I see McConnell put his money where his turtle mouth is he's still siddling up with fascism for the sake of power.
If this rumor of McConnell being in favor of impeachment is true, he will likely use impeachment as a purity test, which will determine support from the party for elections. Those who don’t vote with McConnell are cut from funding sources and won’t secure positions of power or authority. I think Cruz would flip on Trump if he thought it was beneficial. Not sure about Hawley. McConnell has extreme power over the republicans in the senate, so I’ll be surprised if more than 10 republicans voted against him. And they’d all suffer enormously.
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McConnell knows his caucus better than anyone. He understands Cruz's support for Trump is as ephemeral as a fart in a blizzard, and Cruz's fealty to the ultimate GOP agenda is too damn high for an excommunication attempt to seem worthwhile. He's the closest thing to a wunderkind the GOP has now that Paul Ryan's utter failure as a politician is widely recognized. Even if literally every Senate Republican finds Cruz a loathsome human, I don't think any replacement would be better in McConnell's eyes.
Plus, Georgia went a long way to suggest appointed incumbents do not have any incumbent advantage. Texas isn't a purple state quite yet, of course, but that Senate seat would stay red much longer with a man in it voters put there.
Not as sure about Hawley though.
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Protecting someone who is gladly running along the fascist fast track because he's still ultimately loyal to the GOP is still god fucking awful. If thats actually McConnells viewpoint and he sees Cruz as some future of the party then he doesn't actually give a fuck about what Trumpism has done, he only cares about throwing Trump under the bus for now so he can claim to be a good guy and keep as much power as he can. As soon as the next fascist wind whips Ted Cruz up into it we're going to be in the same damn situation, staring fascism in the mouth and wondering how we got to that point.
Any situation that lets the likes of Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Mo Brooks, Andy Briggs, and Paul Gosar continue their governmental careers is setting the stage for another flare up of fascism when these fucks decide that it will bolster their political careers.
The fact that America isn't making fascism and incitement of armed insurrection into career poison says so much about this country. Our politicians care more about carefully playing around protecting their power than stamping out fascism.
The numerous GOP congresspeople who have said Trump shouldn't be impeached, the voting not to certify election results immediately after an armed insurrection, the committal not to remove Trump from office, theres no excuse for this shit, and we will see the consequences of this laissez-faire attitude towards burgeoning fascism in the US within our lifetimes and it will be shit.
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On January 13 2021 09:40 WombaT wrote:
All ‘don’t speak ill of the dead’ really accomplishes for prominent public figures is to let them be canonised for a few days without their flaws to make the portrait 3D.
As a convention for people in your actual life, yeah sure if you didn’t have the balls to make your thoughts known in life then it’s a bit crass to do so post-mortem.
If internet culture wasn't about judging everyone all the time as harshly as possible without half the insight required I'd agree.
Like there's a difference between saying that a guy isn't worth being placed on a pedestal and calling someone a piece of shit that the world is good to be rid of. While I almost always agree with the former, the latter in 99% of cases an unfair statement that's impossible to make unless you're either very close or we're talking about someone with such a large negative impact that it massively overlaps anything good they might have ever done to their surroundings. Which I'd reserve for genocidal maniacs like Pol Pot or Hitler.
Internet culture is a cesspool and our permanent desire to judge everything and everyone without humbleness is one of the things driving the political division.
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There are quite a few famous awful people the world is better off without that are not Pol Pot or Hitler though.
I won't be one bit sad when Rupert Murdoch dies as an example. He is an absolutely awful human being and has harmed the world in a way few men have achieved without being political leaders.
I don't subscribe to the "don't speak ill if the dead", and I have zero problem being consistent in my opinion that someone is a douchebag after they die.
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anybody know the timetable of events for today? i gotta go to work... :/
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Some pretty terrifying details are starting to come out. It’s beginning to paint a chilling picture. If the developing picture ends up true it would explain why McConnell may support impeachment.
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There were almost certainly inside actors, and word is that three congresspeople in particular are the focus of the FBI's investigation. I'd guess that includes Boebert and Gosar, but the third I'm less sure of (maybe Gaetz).
On a related note, J Edgar Hoover is rolling in his grave over the fact that he died before he could potentially charge sitting congresspeople like this lol
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I can only wonder why the coup that actually happened ended up having as few casualties as it did. If the group were 10% more organized, they very well could have taken Congress hostage and done a lot more damage.
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On January 14 2021 00:46 LegalLord wrote:
I can only wonder why the coup that actually happened ended up having as few casualties as it did. If the group were 10% more organized, they very well could have taken Congress hostage and done a lot more damage.
It's a Trump coup, therefore everybody involved is incompetent and a bit retarded.
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