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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22190 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 17:33:53
January 13 2021 17:30 GMT
#60301
If any representatives actually provided assistance, all I will say is that if there ever was a use for the charge of Sedition, this comes pretty high up there.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 17:38:38
January 13 2021 17:31 GMT
#60302
CBS is reporting McConnell WILL support impeachment, according to a person close to him (McConnell will only issue his own statement after house does the impeachment). Damn, that means Trump's almost certainly going to be convicted. McConnell is fine with hate being directed at him and it gives cover for literally everyone else to vote. He's probably too old/infirm for another term. He may play procedural games to get it in Biden's first few days, but he can also ram it through before then - depends on what his motives are.



A person close to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell tells CBS News that the leader supports impeaching Mr. Trump but will not publicly discuss his views until the House formally sends the article of impeachment to the Senate for a trial.

The New York Times first reported that McConnell privately backs the impeachment of the president.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-impeachment-house-vote-2021-01-13/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=109055538#post-update-53bb1854.





On January 14 2021 02:30 Gorsameth wrote:
If any representatives actually provided assistance, all I will say is that if there ever was a use for the charge of Treason, this comes pretty high.

By US terms it's sedition. Treason is an almost impossibility by US law - it involves giving aid to someone who congress has declared war with (which we haven't done since uh, 1950s?). In 250 years there have only ever been 30 people charged with it, and only 1 execution.


edit:
Also, more and more reports are coming out that house Rs are literally in tears because they're afraid for their family's lives if they vote for impeachment. Idiots, morons, they're the ones who caused this through their own incompetent bootlicking. (And lots of them are complaining that the new metal detectors at the entrance are a violation their constitutional rights, to show that they're still stupid).

StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 13 2021 17:40 GMT
#60303
On January 14 2021 02:31 Nevuk wrote:
CBS is reporting McConnell WILL support impeachment, according to a person close to him (McConnell will only issue his own statement after house does the impeachment). Damn, that means Trump's almost certainly going to be convicted. McConnell is fine with hate being directed at him and it gives cover for literally everyone else to vote. He's probably too old/infirm for another term. He may play procedural games to get it in Biden's first few days, but he can also ram it through before then - depends on what his motives are.

Show nested quote +


A person close to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell tells CBS News that the leader supports impeaching Mr. Trump but will not publicly discuss his views until the House formally sends the article of impeachment to the Senate for a trial.

The New York Times first reported that McConnell privately backs the impeachment of the president.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-impeachment-house-vote-2021-01-13/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=109055538#post-update-53bb1854.





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On January 14 2021 02:30 Gorsameth wrote:
If any representatives actually provided assistance, all I will say is that if there ever was a use for the charge of Treason, this comes pretty high.

By US terms it's sedition. Treason is an almost impossibility by US law - it involves giving aid to someone who congress has declared war with (which we haven't done since uh, 1950s?). In 250 years there have only ever been 30 people charged with it, and only 1 execution.


edit:
Also, more and more reports are coming out that house Rs are literally in tears because they're afraid for their family's lives if they vote for impeachment. Idiots, morons, they're the ones who caused this through their own incompetent bootlicking. (And lots of them are complaining that the new metal detectors at the entrance are a violation their constitutional rights, to show that they're still stupid).

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1349389150622019584


Considering how Trump has conspired with enemy nations which will never get true validation i get where you're going with it would be hard to try him for treason even though it is pretty obvious that he is guilty yeah I don't see them convicting or trying him for committing such terrible shit.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22190 Posts
January 13 2021 17:43 GMT
#60304
No one should be getting death threats, but the level of empathy I can raise for these people who a week ago were happy to ride the wave of hate is very very limited.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 13 2021 17:44 GMT
#60305
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 13 2021 17:47 GMT
#60306
On January 14 2021 02:02 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2021 01:46 JimmiC wrote:
On January 14 2021 01:36 KwarK wrote:
It is funny that they would have absolutely worn masks at any other time in history but were more interested in virtue signaling their non belief in viruses than covering their faces.

It really is beautiful because it shows that their reasons for not are purely political and because of Trump. And considering masks effectiveness Trump politicizing them cost the economy billions if not trillions. It is going to be hard to rank all of Trumps worst decisions but that one has to be in the top 10.


I haven't talked to all of them, but considering how many videos the insurrectionists took of themselves, not wearing masks could be just as much about wanting to prove their presence to their peers.

Also, masks do not fit with the "covid-19 is a hoax" conspiracy theory.

Masks or not, just calling for the rally these days should be considered a felony. Thousands might die because of it.


those people who did what they did deserve death.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43803 Posts
January 13 2021 17:47 GMT
#60307
This is a perfect example of the metaphor of saddling a tiger. You can ride the tiger and everyone is afraid of you but you can't ever dismount because there's a fucking tiger beneath you and it's pissed off. You ride a tiger and you're eventually going wherever the tiger goes.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
January 13 2021 17:53 GMT
#60308
Don't members of Congress under threat get extra security? In the Netherlands at least politicians do when there's a real threat for murder like with Geert Wilders.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 13 2021 17:56 GMT
#60309
Not much can stop one guy with a semi automatic rifle without damage. So yea they got some, but that doesn't prevent anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 13 2021 17:58 GMT
#60310
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
January 13 2021 18:00 GMT
#60311
On January 14 2021 02:58 JimmiC wrote:
It is crazy to me that you could go from supporting this mad man to fearing for your life to where you are publicly crying. What doubt is there now there he was a full fledged dictator and much closer to a mafia figure than to a president.

The embarrassment that he is, is completely clear now. The Republican party, and everyone who voted for him, especially in 2020 needs to take a hard look in the mirror at their priorities and realize that they are completely fucked up.

The only reason you should have, and should continue to support Trump is if you believe that the US is under control of a deep state pedophile ring that eats the goo from the adrenal gland of their child victims to stay young and powerful. Also that Trump is sent from god to stop them.

And if you believe that, yikes.


And every person who threw their hands in the air saying "well gosh I sure wish I had another option, but voting for a democrat is clearly worse" shoulders blame. Everyone who insisted there was no alternative to Trump is guilty of enabling this.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9189 Posts
January 13 2021 18:01 GMT
#60312
You're telling me the Republican party is cowing in fear after one week of death threats when 2 years of death threats from the same crowd didn't budge AOC?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 13 2021 18:04 GMT
#60313
On January 14 2021 02:53 RvB wrote:
Don't members of Congress under threat get extra security? In the Netherlands at least politicians do when there's a real threat for murder like with Geert Wilders.

Even if they do, there's the dice roll of "Is my security also one of these nutjobs?"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 13 2021 18:04 GMT
#60314
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
January 13 2021 18:07 GMT
#60315
I like this interview by AOC on the NPR website. She talks very candidly about what happened that day. Her calling out the Rs is just icing (though she didn't drop names, we know who some of them are).

She added: "Wednesday [Jan. 6] was an extremely traumatizing event and it is not an exaggeration to say that many many members of the House were nearly assassinated. It's just not an exaggeration to say that at all. We were very lucky that things happened within certain minutes that allowed members to escape the House floor unharmed. But many of us narrowly escaped death."

Ocasio-Cortez has made connecting directly with constituents through social media a part of her brand, taking them behind the scenes into what life as a Congresswoman is like, hosting candid conversations and sharing videos like her receiving the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccination.

In her video on Tuesday, she said she felt unsafe in the secure room where she was held with other lawmakers while the Capitol was under lockdown.

"I myself did not even feel safe going to that extraction point, because there were QAnon and white supremacist sympathizers and frankly white supremacist members of Congress in that extraction point, who I know, and who I had felt would disclose my location and allow me to, who would create opportunities to allow me to be hurt, kidnapped, etc."

Source
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 13 2021 18:20 GMT
#60316
Boebert did disclose the location of Pelosi, despite being told by the sergent at arms to not make any post on social media nor disclose the location of anyone.
She needs to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9798 Posts
January 13 2021 18:21 GMT
#60317
On January 14 2021 03:20 Erasme wrote:
Boebert did disclose the location of Pelosi, despite being told by the sergent at arms to not make any post on social media nor disclose the location of anyone.
She needs to go.

She needs to go to jail for treason or maybe a more realistic, specific crime.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-13 18:31:06
January 13 2021 18:28 GMT
#60318
I'm really wondering why did she tweet that to her followers, who definitly weren't in the riot. Isn't it gross misconduct at best ? or maybe endangering her fellow MOC.
Anyway, given how competent those traitors were, i'm sure there are recordings of the people who provided schematics/destroyed alarms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4744 Posts
January 13 2021 18:51 GMT
#60319
Wait, someone destroyed alarms to allow those maniacs to get in? I havent read about that before.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 13 2021 18:53 GMT
#60320
On January 14 2021 03:51 Silvanel wrote:
Wait, someone destroyed alarms to allow those maniacs to get in? I havent read about that before.

www.independent.co.uk
Here's the source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
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